This is by no means a post burning MLG, but after getting to experience first hand an actual live MLG event I can now honestly say that the home viewing experience has a lot of advantages.
Here are the main reasons why I feel the home viewing experience is best: Negatives of the events: 1) Distance - Although I live a mere 3 hours away from Orlando, it's still a haul 2) Cost - Travel expenses (gas, hotel, meals etc), plus the cost of admission to the event 3) Seating - U leave U lose your seat 4) Matches - You only get 1 match at a time at the event 5) Commentary - If a player you are a fan of is not on the main stage then you don't get commentary
Positives of staying home: 1) Comfort of your own home 2) Costs nothing to watch if you want the normal stream and only a few bucks for the HD stream 3) Never have to worry about losing your seat 4) You get both the Red and Blue streams that can be watched at the same time 5) During downtime you don't have to sit around, you can play SC2 or literally anything else.
Again, I'm not saying the event experience is bad because there is certainly something to be said for being able to ask your favorite player for an autograph or just be in a crowd of hardcore SC2 fans, however since MLG has done such an excellent job of enhancing the home viewer experience, I'm going to pass on MLG Olrando.
I think professional sports are running into the same kind of problem. The home viewing experience is so good these days that it really makes it hard to justify going to a game. This isn't a bad thing either. MLG has a much greater opportunity to reach fans online rather than in the towns their events are held. Having a fantastic viewer experience will enhance esports in general which we can all agree is a very good thing.
I'm really looking forward to watching MLG Orlando on my gold pass from home. We get the Google+ Hangout going with people from all over the world watching together. If only there was a BarCraft in Miami!!!
He wants your address so he can steal your seat while you go to the bathroom.
I partially agree after having been to MLG Anaheim. It was a lot of fun to hang out with friends and watch Starcraft but the whole seating issue was pretty terrible. They needed to have almost twice the number of seats as there were so many people standing around after every match and the seat-saving was just out of control. =/
On September 22 2011 06:06 gurrpp wrote: Full mlg experience for me: stay at home, wear no pants, eat hot pockets, and watch two streams at the same time.
The dual stream link from the last MLG event was the best thing man has invented since the mono-stream. In other words it was pretty good. Also for people living in Europe the distance and money thing is the real issue that stops people from traveling over seas for such an event, even tho I wouldn't mind to visit it live at least once in my lifetime. But yeah, anyways I have to agree that the viewing from home part isn't that bad.
There's like 5,000+ other reasons to go though. imo you aren't truly experiencing MLG if you aren't meeting and hanging out with all the awesome nerds there. If you're that concerned about watching every game then I guess you'd be better served staying home but the social aspect of meeting so many people who share a passion for this thing that maybe a handful of the people you know at home like is really underrated. For me that's a much larger draw for going to future MLGs as a spectator than viewing the games live at the venue. The downtime is half the fun!
Bitch, 3 hours? I drove 1400+ miles to Anaheim from Texas over the course of 3 days.
The experience is amazing. I'm so glad I went to Anaheim over Raleigh (from watching the stream). Lack of chairs was annoying, but the crowd was amazing. You could literally feel the passion as people stood up for nukes, chanted MMA's name hoping he'd defend his title, and various other moments. It was great shaking hands with IdrA, Day9, DJWheat, and many other famous SC2 players and personalities. I love my signed shirts.
Being at home is nice - sure. It's a nice, comfortable thing but when you're in the middle of the crowd, cheering Boxer as he comes out victorious from his game to get into the semi's, turning towards that stranger next to you you don't know at all and giving a big ol' high five and cheering - pretty fucking amazing.
Don't knock the experience. It's the same atmosphere as going to a sports game - all the passion, all the hype, and the bragging rights of saying "I was there when that happened".
On September 22 2011 06:06 gurrpp wrote: Full mlg experience for me: stay at home, wear no pants, eat hot pockets, and watch two streams at the same time.
Dude, if there was an MLG 3 hours from me I would be there in a second. The down time and having so many other people that love SC there that you lose your seat is the funnest part! A lot of your negatives are positives for me. I would definitely go.
I guess I should clarify my comments a little. I went to MLG Columbus and had a great time. I'm not trying to discourage people from attending, rather stating how great the home viewer experience is. I love MLG weekends, just love them a little more from the comfort of my home. I should also add that I'm 31, own a home and have a fully stocked fridge with beer at all times. My PC has two 23" monitors that are perfect for the red and blue streams.
I dunno I think this is a pretty good discussion, recently with the NFL and NBA and HD televisions, a lot of fans would rather stay home and watch rather than go watch live. Especially if you have a barcraft or friends over, you still get some rah rah fan spirit too. SC2 events with multiple matches same time on streams are even more attractive for fans to stay home too in comparison to live sports. It's a very real problem for those big sports these days.
i guess i was wrong in saying no one cares, because based on this PM you just sent me it's very apparent that you care
Hey thanks for the comment you made on my blog. Since you're from Korea I can only assume you don't speak English and those are the only 3 words you know. As an American I can proudly say that I do not know a single word from your split country.
Here are two new English words that you can add to your vocabulary, Fuck Off. Broken down, it means this: 1) Fuck - what your country would be if American soldiers weren't standing guard on your northern border. 2) Off - not on.
EDIT - ok, the OP is a douchebag. But I kinda agree with Hot_Bid. I know that I personally wanted to go to all of the events I can get to, but I've been unable to, due to a number of personal reasons. It really sucks. At the same time, I know many, many more people who would rather not go to an event like this, because they would rather watch streams at home.
On September 22 2011 08:32 Rekrul wrote: i guess i was wrong in saying no one cares, because based on this PM you just sent me it's very apparent that you care
Hey thanks for the comment you made on my blog. Since you're from Korea I can only assume you don't speak English and those are the only 3 words you know. As an American I can proudly say that I do not know a single word from your split country.
Here are two new English words that you can add to your vocabulary, Fuck Off. Broken down, it means this: 1) Fuck - what your country would be if American soldiers weren't standing guard on your northern border. 2) Off - not on.
I apologize.
LOL, that's right apologize for not speaking English you fool~
On September 22 2011 08:32 Rekrul wrote: i guess i was wrong in saying no one cares, because based on this PM you just sent me it's very apparent that you care
Hey thanks for the comment you made on my blog. Since you're from Korea I can only assume you don't speak English and those are the only 3 words you know. As an American I can proudly say that I do not know a single word from your split country.
Here are two new English words that you can add to your vocabulary, Fuck Off. Broken down, it means this: 1) Fuck - what your country would be if American soldiers weren't standing guard on your northern border. 2) Off - not on.
I apologize.
Ahahaha, that hateful little nerd just stompin' on Rekrul!
On September 22 2011 08:32 Rekrul wrote: i guess i was wrong in saying no one cares, because based on this PM you just sent me it's very apparent that you care
Hey thanks for the comment you made on my blog. Since you're from Korea I can only assume you don't speak English and those are the only 3 words you know. As an American I can proudly say that I do not know a single word from your split country.
Here are two new English words that you can add to your vocabulary, Fuck Off. Broken down, it means this: 1) Fuck - what your country would be if American soldiers weren't standing guard on your northern border. 2) Off - not on.
Atleast we found out his true motivations for not going. I mean who really wants to travel all that way to see people from a split country take 1st, 2nd, and 3rd?
On September 22 2011 08:32 Rekrul wrote: i guess i was wrong in saying no one cares, because based on this PM you just sent me it's very apparent that you care
Hey thanks for the comment you made on my blog. Since you're from Korea I can only assume you don't speak English and those are the only 3 words you know. As an American I can proudly say that I do not know a single word from your split country.
Here are two new English words that you can add to your vocabulary, Fuck Off. Broken down, it means this: 1) Fuck - what your country would be if American soldiers weren't standing guard on your northern border. 2) Off - not on.
I apologize.
Ahahaha, that hateful little nerd just stompin' on Rekrul!
not sure about "little" wouldn't mess with him though. + Show Spoiler +
On September 22 2011 08:32 Rekrul wrote: i guess i was wrong in saying no one cares, because based on this PM you just sent me it's very apparent that you care
Hey thanks for the comment you made on my blog. Since you're from Korea I can only assume you don't speak English and those are the only 3 words you know. As an American I can proudly say that I do not know a single word from your split country.
Here are two new English words that you can add to your vocabulary, Fuck Off. Broken down, it means this: 1) Fuck - what your country would be if American soldiers weren't standing guard on your northern border. 2) Off - not on.
I apologize.
On September 22 2011 17:21 Rekrul wrote: Atleast we found out his true motivations for not going. I mean who really wants to travel all that way to see people from a split country take 1st, 2nd, and 3rd?
LOLOLOOLLOLOLOLOLOL
So awesome.
Back in serious mode for what Hot_Bid said: The difference is there is not a huge travel for him. I know 3 hours is a it of a hike, but if you give me the chance to experience a live MLG for a mere 3 hour drive I will take it all day. Just even being able to walk around the players area and look over the shoulders of tons of players is pretty awesome + the atmosphere + everything else.
Brought here by Diamond's tweet: I have to say that given the chance to go to an MLG, I would go in a heartbeat. I honestly try to go to any Melbourne event possible because I want to support these events by showing up and adding to the audience numbers.
If I happened to live near an MLG, especially a 3 hour drive, I will always go 10/10.
OP, ignoring your lack of knowledge in how to use your brain, or common sense, or manners, do you go watch other sports with friends, live? I assume you don't like that much either. I guess it's a matter of preference. There's nothing that comes close to the feeling of being part of a live audience. Second closest is beer in a bar. Watching something at home ... well, maybe, with friends over. I prefer the bar, much easier to not clean up afterwards.
Someone dissing Rekrul is funny cause Rekrul around here is legend. Being a former bw progamer and all. Me thinks Op needs to maybe read on who Rekrul is and who to respect in the TL scene, cause acting like that to someone like Rekrul is not going to get you far. Maybe read a little bit on BW history and try to understand it. Also try being a little less of a bigit, your insulting a country and a people who kick ass on starcraft, and win at life in general.
Anyways back on topic. I think the entire live experince is being with the community. Being around people who are sharing your passions and your emotions while watching a game. Its all a part of this. Personally if I was a 30 hour drive away from a lan. I would still try to go. 3 hours is almost nothing and would go even if I had to walk.
Best. PM. Ever! Also, a well deserved PM (apart from the obvious racist stuff)!
Anyway, back to OP.
Isnt the first 5 points and the second 5 points the same? Only, one is the bad thing and one is the good thing of the same issue? So basically, there are 5 things that you think is better with staying home.
LOL.. what i like the most about this.. is if he honestly thought Rekrul couldn't speak english.. why did he PM him in English?... such a racist fool...
On September 22 2011 08:32 Rekrul wrote: i guess i was wrong in saying no one cares, because based on this PM you just sent me it's very apparent that you care
Hey thanks for the comment you made on my blog. Since you're from Korea I can only assume you don't speak English and those are the only 3 words you know. As an American I can proudly say that I do not know a single word from your split country.
Here are two new English words that you can add to your vocabulary, Fuck Off. Broken down, it means this: 1) Fuck - what your country would be if American soldiers weren't standing guard on your northern border. 2) Off - not on.
I apologize.
On September 22 2011 17:21 Rekrul wrote: Atleast we found out his true motivations for not going. I mean who really wants to travel all that way to see people from a split country take 1st, 2nd, and 3rd?
On September 22 2011 08:32 Rekrul wrote: i guess i was wrong in saying no one cares, because based on this PM you just sent me it's very apparent that you care
Hey thanks for the comment you made on my blog. Since you're from Korea I can only assume you don't speak English and those are the only 3 words you know. As an American I can proudly say that I do not know a single word from your split country.
Here are two new English words that you can add to your vocabulary, Fuck Off. Broken down, it means this: 1) Fuck - what your country would be if American soldiers weren't standing guard on your northern border. 2) Off - not on.
I apologize.
This is probably one of my favorite posts in a long while
i'm even gonna 5/5 this so this guy will stick around and grace us with thoughts like this on a regular basis!
Rofl, how does anybody try to act as elitist as the OP to write that post and pretend they know a lick about starcraft when they don't know who Rekrul is.
I think one has to remember also.. that unless you are a truly diehard starcraft (or Halo/COD) fan.. there really is not much value in going to an MLG event. This is where MLG fails big time. As a fan of eSports for over 15 years and someone who has been to many different events.. the MLG events are the least appealing. Even if MLG offered up a huge plate of PC FPS Games (ie: QuakeLive).. and all of the best from around the world were going to be there.. I would find it difficult to justify spending the money and time to travel to the event. Outside of sitting or standing on cold concrete and watch 2 guys in a box battle it out over a large screen.. there is not much offering from MLG.
This is why.. I can see their model changing to a more 'studio' setting... or.. They expand to offer space for other vendors and other activities that make the experience more 'esports and fan' friendly.
I am curious.. outside of the NASL or MLG events over the last 2 years.. how many other events have most of you been to? How many purely eSport/Gaming events.. that did not highlight SC2?
I'm gonna ignore everything and mostly just reply to
On September 22 2011 08:28 Hot_Bid wrote: I dunno I think this is a pretty good discussion, recently with the NFL and NBA and HD televisions, a lot of fans would rather stay home and watch rather than go watch live. Especially if you have a barcraft or friends over, you still get some rah rah fan spirit too. SC2 events with multiple matches same time on streams are even more attractive for fans to stay home too in comparison to live sports. It's a very real problem for those big sports these days.
because it's an excuse to talk sports.
Honestly for professional sports (at least for me) the big swaying factor was not the comfort level but instead for the cost of going to a game. I had season tickets to the Jets for many years and at that time they were on a waiting list that lasted forever, and people would have gone to great lengths to be able to get to the top of that list to start getting season tickets. After the new Stadium, PSLs, and our ticket prices going from $180 to I think $450 a ticket, we decided to stop our season tickets and watch everything from home. This was common with most people that had them which is what led to there being so much more availability (not even selling out games) the past two seasons.
The same thing happened with the Yankees and the Mets the past few seasons since they built their new ballparks (well the Mets being a complete joke as much as I love them helps towards that too). The super expensive seats very rarely sell out. I only really know the situation in New York though, as I couldn't talk about teams around the country, but the big sports cities still have no problem drawing the big crowds.
The comfort of watching a game at home is definitely a factor in this, but not really the biggest factor that determines if a game is going to sell out or not.
On September 22 2011 22:51 Zlasher wrote: Rofl, how does anybody try to act as elitist as the OP to write that post and pretend they know a lick about starcraft when they don't know who Rekrul is.
What I find funny about it is, that really noone cares why THIS mediocre guy is not going to an MLG. All he said does apply to every event. Is it a concert, is it sports, is it a fucking Subway.
"Here are the main reasons why I feel the home eating experience is best: Negatives of the events: 1) Distance - I only live 3 minutes away from a Subway, but it's still a haul. 2) Cost - Travel expenses (gas, parking lot etc), plus the cost of admission to the food 3) Seating - U leave U lose your seat 4) Matches - You only get 1 meal at a time at the avenue 5) Commentary - Noone gives commentary on food.
Positives of staying home: 1) Comfort of your own home 2) Costs nothing to eat at home if there is a delivery service. 3) Never have to worry about losing your seat 4) You get both meals at the same time, which is amazing. 5) During downtime you don't have to sit around, you can play SC2 or literally anything else."
Send me to fucking MLG Orlando and I will show you why it's better than looking at your LCD flat-screen of 15 to 23 inches in front of your leather black chair and dauntingly poorly-lit room while it eats your bandwidth and forces you watch all the games with the potential of streaming issues, terrible intermission music and constant views of how the crowd looks like without you and the number of chairs that were stolen within the those moments. Send me to MLG and I will show you that meeting a bunch of professionals, all these awesome community members and decent food than your hot-pockets from that dingy old-fashioned scuffed up white microwave and those flat-tasting beers you have in the back of your fridge.
Seriously though, I think Hot_Bid said that 80% of MLG is partying, who the hell doesn't go because one of their biggest issues is that they have to stand (or they lose their seat). the games are on the internet after anyways, why not just watch the games after you went to MLG if you don't like standing that much
No really, send me, I'll take pictures for you and talk to everyone you want me to bwahah
On September 22 2011 08:28 Hot_Bid wrote: I dunno I think this is a pretty good discussion, recently with the NFL and NBA and HD televisions, a lot of fans would rather stay home and watch rather than go watch live. Especially if you have a barcraft or friends over, you still get some rah rah fan spirit too. SC2 events with multiple matches same time on streams are even more attractive for fans to stay home too in comparison to live sports. It's a very real problem for those big sports these days.
because it's an excuse to talk sports.
Honestly for professional sports (at least for me) the big swaying factor was not the comfort level but instead for the cost of going to a game. I had season tickets to the Jets for many years and at that time they were on a waiting list that lasted forever, and people would have gone to great lengths to be able to get to the top of that list to start getting season tickets. After the new Stadium, PSLs, and our ticket prices going from $180 to I think $450 a ticket, we decided to stop our season tickets and watch everything from home. This was common with most people that had them which is what led to there being so much more availability (not even selling out games) the past two seasons.
The same thing happened with the Yankees and the Mets the past few seasons since they built their new ballparks (well the Mets being a complete joke as much as I love them helps towards that too). The super expensive seats very rarely sell out. I only really know the situation in New York though, as I couldn't talk about teams around the country, but the big sports cities still have no problem drawing the big crowds.
The comfort of watching a game at home is definitely a factor in this, but not really the biggest factor that determines if a game is going to sell out or not.
Anyways ignoring all this Rekrul knows what's up.
It's a business. A for-profit enterprise.
Even with just 50% admission, if the prices of all the tickets went up by a similar percentage, they're actually making more money than they were before. They're just smarter now than they used to be..... Revenues coming from the venue are a basically just a drop in the bucket compared to the sponsorship and advertising revenues, but trying to optimize a source of revenue is still in the interest of the ownership of the team/stadium.
The vast majority of people who watch football, baseball, and other sports, do so from home. At the same time, a game of football wouldn't be the same if there was no crowd in the stands, so as long as the stadiums have some people in them, I don't think that charging more to watch the games from the stands will directly hurt the quality of the games.
E-sports needs to head in this direction in the future if it is going to become something big. If some people aren't thrilled about going to a live event, and would rather watch from home, well, that's to be expected, since that happens with all other sports. But, at the moment, these e-sports events are a lot smaller than other professional sports. As such, it's going to be hard for them to charge 450 bucks for a spectator ticket, when it could cost the person another 500+ for other expenses just to attend the event, and still hope to draw any crowd, but tournaments like the NASL and MLG are definitely leading us in the right direction.
On September 23 2011 02:53 Torte de Lini wrote: Send me to fucking MLG Orlando and I will show you why it's better than looking at your LCD flat-screen of 15 to 23 inches in front of your leather black chair and dauntingly poorly-lit room while it eats your bandwidth and forces you watch all the games with the potential of streaming issues, terrible intermission music and constant views of how the crowd looks like without you and the number of chairs that were stolen within the those moments. Send me to MLG and I will show you that meeting a bunch of professionals, all these awesome community members and decent food than your hot-pockets from that dingy old-fashioned scuffed up white microwave and those flat-tasting beers you have in the back of your fridge.
Seriously though, I think Hot_Bid said that 80% of MLG is partying, who the hell doesn't go because one of their biggest issues is that they have to stand (or they lose their seat). the games are on the internet after anyways, why not just watch the games after you went to MLG if you don't like standing that much
No really, send me, I'll take pictures for you and talk to everyone you want me to bwahah
Yeah but the parties only apply to like 1% of the people that go to MLG's in the end, if you really think about it. You have to know somebody to get in to them and they're pretty crowded. To be honest in the end the fan interaction with players and the atmosphere is what brings people to events and what will always make MLG run out of seats.
HotBid makes a great analogy, some people like watching an NFL game from home, maybe invite a few friends over or even just watch it by yourself. Maybe you'll go to a bar for the small atmosphere there.
But in the end, people will still show up to the stadiums because the atmosphere there is unlike anything you can emulate at home or at a bar.
On September 23 2011 02:53 Torte de Lini wrote: Send me to fucking MLG Orlando and I will show you why it's better than looking at your LCD flat-screen of 15 to 23 inches in front of your leather black chair and dauntingly poorly-lit room while it eats your bandwidth and forces you watch all the games with the potential of streaming issues, terrible intermission music and constant views of how the crowd looks like without you and the number of chairs that were stolen within the those moments. Send me to MLG and I will show you that meeting a bunch of professionals, all these awesome community members and decent food than your hot-pockets from that dingy old-fashioned scuffed up white microwave and those flat-tasting beers you have in the back of your fridge.
Seriously though, I think Hot_Bid said that 80% of MLG is partying, who the hell doesn't go because one of their biggest issues is that they have to stand (or they lose their seat). the games are on the internet after anyways, why not just watch the games after you went to MLG if you don't like standing that much
No really, send me, I'll take pictures for you and talk to everyone you want me to bwahah
Yeah but the parties only apply to like 1% of the people that go to MLG's in the end, if you really think about it. You have to know somebody to get in to them and they're pretty crowded. To be honest in the end the fan interaction with players and the atmosphere is what brings people to events and what will always make MLG run out of seats.
HotBid makes a great analogy, some people like watching an NFL game from home, maybe invite a few friends over or even just watch it by yourself. Maybe you'll go to a bar for the small atmosphere there.
But in the end, people will still show up to the stadiums because the atmosphere there is unlike anything you can emulate at home or at a bar.
Bullshit. I meet at least 20-30 people per event that have ZERO previous history with anyone (just random fans) that end up getting to tag along with the pros and party all weekened/ It's sort of cool when it happens too, you can tell the person was hoping to maybe say hi to one player and here they are with this look of amazement as they are partying with a bunch of pros. Is it a small %? Sure. But these are people with NO previous connections.
I think the chance to meet a bunch of TLers would be the most fun I could ever have at a MLG. At LAN ETS, me and about 14 TLers and players went to Reuben's and we just talked, joked and laughed about a whole bunch of things.
On September 23 2011 02:53 Torte de Lini wrote: Send me to fucking MLG Orlando and I will show you why it's better than looking at your LCD flat-screen of 15 to 23 inches in front of your leather black chair and dauntingly poorly-lit room while it eats your bandwidth and forces you watch all the games with the potential of streaming issues, terrible intermission music and constant views of how the crowd looks like without you and the number of chairs that were stolen within the those moments. Send me to MLG and I will show you that meeting a bunch of professionals, all these awesome community members and decent food than your hot-pockets from that dingy old-fashioned scuffed up white microwave and those flat-tasting beers you have in the back of your fridge.
Seriously though, I think Hot_Bid said that 80% of MLG is partying, who the hell doesn't go because one of their biggest issues is that they have to stand (or they lose their seat). the games are on the internet after anyways, why not just watch the games after you went to MLG if you don't like standing that much
No really, send me, I'll take pictures for you and talk to everyone you want me to bwahah
Yeah but the parties only apply to like 1% of the people that go to MLG's in the end, if you really think about it. You have to know somebody to get in to them and they're pretty crowded. To be honest in the end the fan interaction with players and the atmosphere is what brings people to events and what will always make MLG run out of seats.
HotBid makes a great analogy, some people like watching an NFL game from home, maybe invite a few friends over or even just watch it by yourself. Maybe you'll go to a bar for the small atmosphere there.
But in the end, people will still show up to the stadiums because the atmosphere there is unlike anything you can emulate at home or at a bar.
Bullshit. I meet at least 20-30 people per event that have ZERO previous history with anyone (just random fans) that end up getting to tag along with the pros and party all weekened/ It's sort of cool when it happens too, you can tell the person was hoping to maybe say hi to one player and here they are with this look of amazement as they are partying with a bunch of pros. Is it a small %? Sure. But these are people with NO previous connections.
atmuh did it to me at MLG Raleigh. Unreal stalker.
does everyone at TL get a free "monarch is a douchebag"?? I hope so :X I kind of feel bad for him, despite the stupidity of that PM and how bitter he obviously feels, it must suck to have so many people at TL hate on you haha. So hilarious though.
And yeah wtf rekrul needs to learn the English that illiterate bastard rofl
As for attending MLG's... Well, I'll leave my opinion on the matter to my 400 page long novel soon to be published in 50 different countries and translated to over 70 languages. I have aptly titled it:
On September 23 2011 02:53 Torte de Lini wrote: Send me to fucking MLG Orlando and I will show you why it's better than looking at your LCD flat-screen of 15 to 23 inches in front of your leather black chair and dauntingly poorly-lit room while it eats your bandwidth and forces you watch all the games with the potential of streaming issues, terrible intermission music and constant views of how the crowd looks like without you and the number of chairs that were stolen within the those moments. Send me to MLG and I will show you that meeting a bunch of professionals, all these awesome community members and decent food than your hot-pockets from that dingy old-fashioned scuffed up white microwave and those flat-tasting beers you have in the back of your fridge.
Seriously though, I think Hot_Bid said that 80% of MLG is partying, who the hell doesn't go because one of their biggest issues is that they have to stand (or they lose their seat). the games are on the internet after anyways, why not just watch the games after you went to MLG if you don't like standing that much
No really, send me, I'll take pictures for you and talk to everyone you want me to bwahah
Yeah but the parties only apply to like 1% of the people that go to MLG's in the end, if you really think about it. You have to know somebody to get in to them and they're pretty crowded. To be honest in the end the fan interaction with players and the atmosphere is what brings people to events and what will always make MLG run out of seats.
HotBid makes a great analogy, some people like watching an NFL game from home, maybe invite a few friends over or even just watch it by yourself. Maybe you'll go to a bar for the small atmosphere there.
But in the end, people will still show up to the stadiums because the atmosphere there is unlike anything you can emulate at home or at a bar.
Bullshit. I meet at least 20-30 people per event that have ZERO previous history with anyone (just random fans) that end up getting to tag along with the pros and party all weekened/ It's sort of cool when it happens too, you can tell the person was hoping to maybe say hi to one player and here they are with this look of amazement as they are partying with a bunch of pros. Is it a small %? Sure. But these are people with NO previous connections.
atmuh did it to me at MLG Raleigh. Unreal stalker.
hey man as pro as my stalker skills were at Raleigh I DID actually have some history with some people (that weren't actually there hehehehe)
On September 23 2011 02:53 Torte de Lini wrote: Send me to fucking MLG Orlando and I will show you why it's better than looking at your LCD flat-screen of 15 to 23 inches in front of your leather black chair and dauntingly poorly-lit room while it eats your bandwidth and forces you watch all the games with the potential of streaming issues, terrible intermission music and constant views of how the crowd looks like without you and the number of chairs that were stolen within the those moments. Send me to MLG and I will show you that meeting a bunch of professionals, all these awesome community members and decent food than your hot-pockets from that dingy old-fashioned scuffed up white microwave and those flat-tasting beers you have in the back of your fridge.
Seriously though, I think Hot_Bid said that 80% of MLG is partying, who the hell doesn't go because one of their biggest issues is that they have to stand (or they lose their seat). the games are on the internet after anyways, why not just watch the games after you went to MLG if you don't like standing that much
No really, send me, I'll take pictures for you and talk to everyone you want me to bwahah
Yeah but the parties only apply to like 1% of the people that go to MLG's in the end, if you really think about it. You have to know somebody to get in to them and they're pretty crowded. To be honest in the end the fan interaction with players and the atmosphere is what brings people to events and what will always make MLG run out of seats.
HotBid makes a great analogy, some people like watching an NFL game from home, maybe invite a few friends over or even just watch it by yourself. Maybe you'll go to a bar for the small atmosphere there.
But in the end, people will still show up to the stadiums because the atmosphere there is unlike anything you can emulate at home or at a bar.
Bullshit. I meet at least 20-30 people per event that have ZERO previous history with anyone (just random fans) that end up getting to tag along with the pros and party all weekened/ It's sort of cool when it happens too, you can tell the person was hoping to maybe say hi to one player and here they are with this look of amazement as they are partying with a bunch of pros. Is it a small %? Sure. But these are people with NO previous connections.
atmuh did it to me at MLG Raleigh. Unreal stalker.
20-30 is still small in the grand scheme though lol, keep in mind I've been to as many MLG's as you Diamond
And who's atmuh, was he creeping over your shoulder the whole time telling you stories about...well...you the whole time? :D
On September 23 2011 02:53 Torte de Lini wrote: Send me to fucking MLG Orlando and I will show you why it's better than looking at your LCD flat-screen of 15 to 23 inches in front of your leather black chair and dauntingly poorly-lit room while it eats your bandwidth and forces you watch all the games with the potential of streaming issues, terrible intermission music and constant views of how the crowd looks like without you and the number of chairs that were stolen within the those moments. Send me to MLG and I will show you that meeting a bunch of professionals, all these awesome community members and decent food than your hot-pockets from that dingy old-fashioned scuffed up white microwave and those flat-tasting beers you have in the back of your fridge.
Seriously though, I think Hot_Bid said that 80% of MLG is partying, who the hell doesn't go because one of their biggest issues is that they have to stand (or they lose their seat). the games are on the internet after anyways, why not just watch the games after you went to MLG if you don't like standing that much
No really, send me, I'll take pictures for you and talk to everyone you want me to bwahah
Yeah but the parties only apply to like 1% of the people that go to MLG's in the end, if you really think about it. You have to know somebody to get in to them and they're pretty crowded. To be honest in the end the fan interaction with players and the atmosphere is what brings people to events and what will always make MLG run out of seats.
HotBid makes a great analogy, some people like watching an NFL game from home, maybe invite a few friends over or even just watch it by yourself. Maybe you'll go to a bar for the small atmosphere there.
But in the end, people will still show up to the stadiums because the atmosphere there is unlike anything you can emulate at home or at a bar.
Bullshit. I meet at least 20-30 people per event that have ZERO previous history with anyone (just random fans) that end up getting to tag along with the pros and party all weekened/ It's sort of cool when it happens too, you can tell the person was hoping to maybe say hi to one player and here they are with this look of amazement as they are partying with a bunch of pros. Is it a small %? Sure. But these are people with NO previous connections.
atmuh did it to me at MLG Raleigh. Unreal stalker.
20-30 is still small in the grand scheme though lol, keep in mind I've been to as many MLG's as you Diamond
And who's atmuh, was he creeping over your shoulder the whole time telling you stories about...well...you the whole time? :D
On September 23 2011 02:53 Torte de Lini wrote: Send me to fucking MLG Orlando and I will show you why it's better than looking at your LCD flat-screen of 15 to 23 inches in front of your leather black chair and dauntingly poorly-lit room while it eats your bandwidth and forces you watch all the games with the potential of streaming issues, terrible intermission music and constant views of how the crowd looks like without you and the number of chairs that were stolen within the those moments. Send me to MLG and I will show you that meeting a bunch of professionals, all these awesome community members and decent food than your hot-pockets from that dingy old-fashioned scuffed up white microwave and those flat-tasting beers you have in the back of your fridge.
Seriously though, I think Hot_Bid said that 80% of MLG is partying, who the hell doesn't go because one of their biggest issues is that they have to stand (or they lose their seat). the games are on the internet after anyways, why not just watch the games after you went to MLG if you don't like standing that much
No really, send me, I'll take pictures for you and talk to everyone you want me to bwahah
Yeah but the parties only apply to like 1% of the people that go to MLG's in the end, if you really think about it. You have to know somebody to get in to them and they're pretty crowded. To be honest in the end the fan interaction with players and the atmosphere is what brings people to events and what will always make MLG run out of seats.
HotBid makes a great analogy, some people like watching an NFL game from home, maybe invite a few friends over or even just watch it by yourself. Maybe you'll go to a bar for the small atmosphere there.
But in the end, people will still show up to the stadiums because the atmosphere there is unlike anything you can emulate at home or at a bar.
Bullshit. I meet at least 20-30 people per event that have ZERO previous history with anyone (just random fans) that end up getting to tag along with the pros and party all weekened/ It's sort of cool when it happens too, you can tell the person was hoping to maybe say hi to one player and here they are with this look of amazement as they are partying with a bunch of pros. Is it a small %? Sure. But these are people with NO previous connections.
atmuh did it to me at MLG Raleigh. Unreal stalker.
20-30 is still small in the grand scheme though lol, keep in mind I've been to as many MLG's as you Diamond
And who's atmuh, was he creeping over your shoulder the whole time telling you stories about...well...you the whole time? :D
On September 23 2011 02:53 Torte de Lini wrote: Send me to fucking MLG Orlando and I will show you why it's better than looking at your LCD flat-screen of 15 to 23 inches in front of your leather black chair and dauntingly poorly-lit room while it eats your bandwidth and forces you watch all the games with the potential of streaming issues, terrible intermission music and constant views of how the crowd looks like without you and the number of chairs that were stolen within the those moments. Send me to MLG and I will show you that meeting a bunch of professionals, all these awesome community members and decent food than your hot-pockets from that dingy old-fashioned scuffed up white microwave and those flat-tasting beers you have in the back of your fridge.
Seriously though, I think Hot_Bid said that 80% of MLG is partying, who the hell doesn't go because one of their biggest issues is that they have to stand (or they lose their seat). the games are on the internet after anyways, why not just watch the games after you went to MLG if you don't like standing that much
No really, send me, I'll take pictures for you and talk to everyone you want me to bwahah
Yeah but the parties only apply to like 1% of the people that go to MLG's in the end, if you really think about it. You have to know somebody to get in to them and they're pretty crowded. To be honest in the end the fan interaction with players and the atmosphere is what brings people to events and what will always make MLG run out of seats.
HotBid makes a great analogy, some people like watching an NFL game from home, maybe invite a few friends over or even just watch it by yourself. Maybe you'll go to a bar for the small atmosphere there.
But in the end, people will still show up to the stadiums because the atmosphere there is unlike anything you can emulate at home or at a bar.
Bullshit. I meet at least 20-30 people per event that have ZERO previous history with anyone (just random fans) that end up getting to tag along with the pros and party all weekened/ It's sort of cool when it happens too, you can tell the person was hoping to maybe say hi to one player and here they are with this look of amazement as they are partying with a bunch of pros. Is it a small %? Sure. But these are people with NO previous connections.
atmuh did it to me at MLG Raleigh. Unreal stalker.
20-30 is still small in the grand scheme though lol, keep in mind I've been to as many MLG's as you Diamond
And who's atmuh, was he creeping over your shoulder the whole time telling you stories about...well...you the whole time? :D
hello i am atmuh
Lol I know who you are I was just being facetious
were you at raleigh did i meet you i dont even know man
On September 23 2011 08:42 p4NDemik wrote: You had to have connections to get into the hotel bar at the Raleigh Marriott? I didn't see any bouncers.
Raleigh was a bit unique lol, I was more referring to Columbus n before
id imagine orlando will be similar as most people are probably staying at the resort where the convention center is and there are multiple bars/places to chill there should be fun
On September 22 2011 06:34 Rekrul wrote: No one cares.
True, he could watch it from his home and suffer from all the down time of not having games to watch and not inconvenience anyone with his debbie downer presence.
Some people would give up a lot to be in his position of having the chance to watch an MLG, and interact with a shit-ton of fans and TL colleagues IRL. I pity him for not making the most of it.
I mostly agree with the OP / Hot_Bid and atmuh. Watching tournaments in your region from home (or a bar if available) on a big screen TV in HD with a bunch of friends has a lot of advantages. Playing games or just bullshitting in the downtime. At home most of the time sitting on a big ass couch is more comfortable in any case as chairs on venues. And also taking a nice toilet break becomes less of a hassle
Tournaments played in other regions (like America if you live in Europe) are left out of the equation because most of the time you can't even afford to go there time or money wise and if you want to watch them you'll need either a bar or sitting alone behind your computer so you can easily go to bed when absolutely unable to keep your eyes open. If you first have to kick all your friends out it becomes annoying for eveyone
Edit: but that is just the comfort / conveniance aspect. The whole meeting new people and the atmosphere of such a big venue not considered.
Monarch, you have a SC podcast and you don't know who Rekrul is?
I think going to a live event is so much more than just watching the games on a bigger screen (and in a less comfortable chair) but it's rather difficult to reproduce the atmosphere of a huge hall full of nerds at home. I'd really like to go to an MLG one day, although currently logistics are difficult
When I went to MLG Anaheim.. I didn't even really watch the games. IMO going to a live event is about so much more.
It's about meeting all of these people you hear about and talk to in real life and having fun. You get to make new friends and just talk about the game we all love. You even get to go to the parties
And at home it's purely about the games, which is still awesome, but not the same.
1) Didn't mean to make waves, which is why I PM'ed Rekrul, he was the one who decided to post the PM in the thread 2) I don't follow or care about what happened in Broodwar in 2003 or have encyclopedia knowledge of every high post count has-been in the scene 3) StarCrack is an SC2 podcast with very little discussion about BW. 4) Posting "no one cares" can be said in just about every blog post on this site. 5) I like making bullet point lists to prove my point 6) The TL mods have yet again proved why Reddit is more relevant in the SC2 scene and sites like Wellplayed.org have sprout up. They have an unabashed bias towards high post count members which is was shown by issuing me a warning when I posted "who cares" in Rekrul's blog yet none was issued to him or the other douche who quoted him.
On September 24 2011 02:32 Monarch.StarCrack wrote: Wow, this thread has gotten a lot of attention.
1) Didn't mean to make waves, which is why I PM'ed Rekrul, he was the one who decided to post the PM in the thread 2) I don't follow or care about what happened in Broodwar in 2003 or have encyclopedia knowledge of every high post count has-been in the scene 3) StarCrack is an SC2 podcast with very little discussion about BW. 4) Posting "no one cares" can be said in just about every blog post on this site. 5) I like making bullet point lists to prove my point 6) The TL mods have yet again proved why Reddit is more relevant in the SC2 scene and sites like Wellplayed.org have sprout up. They have an unabashed bias towards high post count members which is was shown by issuing me a warning when I posted "who cares" in Rekrul's blog yet none was issued to him or the other douche who quoted him.
A "bias" towards "high post count members"...
1) Your PM was stupid and slightly racist, suggesting that SK would be fucked (actually, you said it outright) if not for America. Whether that's true or not is a whole different matter, it's the fact that you actually felt the need to say it as if to insult Rekrul (who is American himself).
2) Well then it's too bad you basically talked shit to one of the most respected people within the community. You should of known better to be honest.
3) Considering the PM you sent to Rek it's fairly hilarious you actually mentioned how Starcrack was "an sc2 podcast"
4) Yes. Yet for some reason you made a big deal out of it, much to the hilarity of everyone.
5) No one cares
6) OMG! People who have been around for ages and have earned the respect of everybody here are held to a higher caliber than others and will receive leniency! No shit!
This is no secret. In fact if you'd read the 10 commandments you'd know this. It's one of the things that makes TL great; a forum newbie (like myself, relative to the more respected veterans) can't just go and insult great personalities and veterans with 10k+ posts and over one year of active posting on TL. I don't post on reddit myself, but if they treat everybody equally then I don't wish to. I'm sure Reddit is great and all that, but yeah.
If you think wp.org and reddit are fantastic sites, then that's excellent. If you disagree with TL's moderation policies, you can either try to post in website feedback, or you can go away from TL.
edit: Oh yeah, the "douche who quoted him", people aren't normally punished for agreeing with people, as long as they add something as far as I'm aware of.
On September 24 2011 02:32 Monarch.StarCrack wrote: Wow, this thread has gotten a lot of attention.
1) Didn't mean to make waves, which is why I PM'ed Rekrul, he was the one who decided to post the PM in the thread 2) I don't follow or care about what happened in Broodwar in 2003 or have encyclopedia knowledge of every high post count has-been in the scene 3) StarCrack is an SC2 podcast with very little discussion about BW. 4) Posting "no one cares" can be said in just about every blog post on this site. 5) I like making bullet point lists to prove my point 6) The TL mods have yet again proved why Reddit is more relevant in the SC2 scene and sites like Wellplayed.org have sprout up. They have an unabashed bias towards high post count members which is was shown by issuing me a warning when I posted "who cares" in Rekrul's blog yet none was issued to him or the other douche who quoted him.
If by nothing by image memes and "shit like this posts" are relevant, than sure r/starcraft is relevant.
How do you know TL's bias towards Rekrul is unabashed if you don't know anything about Rekrul and perhaps the other members who have been here for a long time and are most likely deserving of their special treatment as they have earned it.
For me, I'm not attending an MLG because it's all the way in fucking America. I don't fancy a 7 - 8 hour flight and lots of paperwork for a tourist visa just to see a few players play SC.
If they hosted an MLG here in Britain (rumored cos of a tweet that TotalBiscuit got mentioned in), then I'd willingly go, even if it's on the other side of the country.
Thanks in advance for your cooperation, SoMuchBetter
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Didn't he post "Who cares" in Rekruls blog as a weird mean of retaliation against him? If it did happen before Rekruls post, it indeed is truly amazing.
Seems weird to post like this because... to be honest it isn't all that interesting cus, yeah, most of us didn't know who you were ( I didn't, atleast). If it was, say, a caster for the event or a TL mod which people had anticipated coming - people would CARE. No disrespect to you, but it sounds like to me you're just complaining subtletly about MLG and want people to agree with you. Even if you make arguements for staying at home.
Oh and don't fuck with Rekrul, bad bad BAD idea. Also, why would you assume that someone with 14k posts and a motherfuckin grim reaper wouldn't be a respected TL'er? sheesh.. that PM man, that PM..
On September 24 2011 02:32 Monarch.StarCrack wrote: Wow, this thread has gotten a lot of attention.
1) Didn't mean to make waves, which is why I PM'ed Rekrul, he was the one who decided to post the PM in the thread 2) I don't follow or care about what happened in Broodwar in 2003 or have encyclopedia knowledge of every high post count has-been in the scene 3) StarCrack is an SC2 podcast with very little discussion about BW. 4) Posting "no one cares" can be said in just about every blog post on this site. 5) I like making bullet point lists to prove my point 6) The TL mods have yet again proved why Reddit is more relevant in the SC2 scene and sites like Wellplayed.org have sprout up. They have an unabashed bias towards high post count members which is was shown by issuing me a warning when I posted "who cares" in Rekrul's blog yet none was issued to him or the other douche who quoted him.
How on earth does TL caring more about a member like Rekrul who has done so much for foreign starcraft than someone who runs a random podcast no one has ever heard of except that one time Incontrol promoted it prove Reddit is more "relevant"?
On September 22 2011 06:14 p4NDemik wrote: There's like 5,000+ other reasons to go though. imo you aren't truly experiencing MLG if you aren't meeting and hanging out with all the awesome nerds there. If you're that concerned about watching every game then I guess you'd be better served staying home but the social aspect of meeting so many people who share a passion for this thing that maybe a handful of the people you know at home like is really underrated. For me that's a much larger draw for going to future MLGs as a spectator than viewing the games live at the venue. The downtime is half the fun!
And 3 hours? Really? Pshhh.
I absolutely agree that everyone should go to at least one live MLG if they can. But for subsequent ones, it won't be THAT different, and the comfort factor at home is a much bigger deal.
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