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On September 22 2011 08:32 Rekrul wrote:i guess i was wrong in saying no one cares, because based on this PM you just sent me it's very apparent that you care Show nested quote +Hey thanks for the comment you made on my blog. Since you're from Korea I can only assume you don't speak English and those are the only 3 words you know. As an American I can proudly say that I do not know a single word from your split country.
Here are two new English words that you can add to your vocabulary, Fuck Off. Broken down, it means this: 1) Fuck - what your country would be if American soldiers weren't standing guard on your northern border. 2) Off - not on. I apologize.
On September 22 2011 17:21 Rekrul wrote:
Atleast we found out his true motivations for not going. I mean who really wants to travel all that way to see people from a split country take 1st, 2nd, and 3rd?
hahahahahh rekrul laying down the law =D
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On September 22 2011 08:32 Rekrul wrote:i guess i was wrong in saying no one cares, because based on this PM you just sent me it's very apparent that you care Show nested quote +Hey thanks for the comment you made on my blog. Since you're from Korea I can only assume you don't speak English and those are the only 3 words you know. As an American I can proudly say that I do not know a single word from your split country.
Here are two new English words that you can add to your vocabulary, Fuck Off. Broken down, it means this: 1) Fuck - what your country would be if American soldiers weren't standing guard on your northern border. 2) Off - not on. I apologize.
This is probably one of my favorite posts in a long while
i'm even gonna 5/5 this so this guy will stick around and grace us with thoughts like this on a regular basis!
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LOL this blog just got great. i care man, i care
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5/5 for Rekrul's contribution to the thread
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Rofl, how does anybody try to act as elitist as the OP to write that post and pretend they know a lick about starcraft when they don't know who Rekrul is.
Respect to Rekrul lol, get blown the fuck up OP.
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op is trying to get his 5stars don't fall for it.
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Hahahahahaha I got a good laugh out of this
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hmm.. interesting read.
I can see the OP's points clearly.
I think one has to remember also.. that unless you are a truly diehard starcraft (or Halo/COD) fan.. there really is not much value in going to an MLG event. This is where MLG fails big time. As a fan of eSports for over 15 years and someone who has been to many different events.. the MLG events are the least appealing. Even if MLG offered up a huge plate of PC FPS Games (ie: QuakeLive).. and all of the best from around the world were going to be there.. I would find it difficult to justify spending the money and time to travel to the event. Outside of sitting or standing on cold concrete and watch 2 guys in a box battle it out over a large screen.. there is not much offering from MLG.
This is why.. I can see their model changing to a more 'studio' setting... or..
They expand to offer space for other vendors and other activities that make the experience more 'esports and fan' friendly.
I am curious.. outside of the NASL or MLG events over the last 2 years.. how many other events have most of you been to? How many purely eSport/Gaming events.. that did not highlight SC2?
Just my 3 cents...
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On September 22 2011 05:58 sermokala wrote:
Positives of staying home:
3) Never have to worry about losing your seat
I will take away this personally. I will come into your house and take your seat while your going to the bathroom.
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So where do you live btw I want to send you a letter?
lmfao.
Best post
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I'm gonna ignore everything and mostly just reply to
On September 22 2011 08:28 Hot_Bid wrote:
I dunno I think this is a pretty good discussion, recently with the NFL and NBA and HD televisions, a lot of fans would rather stay home and watch rather than go watch live. Especially if you have a barcraft or friends over, you still get some rah rah fan spirit too. SC2 events with multiple matches same time on streams are even more attractive for fans to stay home too in comparison to live sports. It's a very real problem for those big sports these days.
because it's an excuse to talk sports.
Honestly for professional sports (at least for me) the big swaying factor was not the comfort level but instead for the cost of going to a game. I had season tickets to the Jets for many years and at that time they were on a waiting list that lasted forever, and people would have gone to great lengths to be able to get to the top of that list to start getting season tickets. After the new Stadium, PSLs, and our ticket prices going from $180 to I think $450 a ticket, we decided to stop our season tickets and watch everything from home. This was common with most people that had them which is what led to there being so much more availability (not even selling out games) the past two seasons.
The same thing happened with the Yankees and the Mets the past few seasons since they built their new ballparks (well the Mets being a complete joke as much as I love them helps towards that too). The super expensive seats very rarely sell out. I only really know the situation in New York though, as I couldn't talk about teams around the country, but the big sports cities still have no problem drawing the big crowds.
The comfort of watching a game at home is definitely a factor in this, but not really the biggest factor that determines if a game is going to sell out or not.
Anyways ignoring all this Rekrul knows what's up.
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On September 22 2011 22:49 xxpack09 wrote:
5/5 for Rekrul's contribution to the thread
Lmao. Rekrul always telling it how it is.
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On September 22 2011 22:51 Zlasher wrote:
Rofl, how does anybody try to act as elitist as the OP to write that post and pretend they know a lick about starcraft when they don't know who Rekrul is.
Respect to Rekrul lol, get blown the fuck up OP.
Oh god it's so true. The ignorance... oh lawd...
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What I find funny about it is, that really noone cares why THIS mediocre guy is not going to an MLG. All he said does apply to every event. Is it a concert, is it sports, is it a fucking Subway.
"Here are the main reasons why I feel the home eating experience is best:
Negatives of the events:
1) Distance - I only live 3 minutes away from a Subway, but it's still a haul.
2) Cost - Travel expenses (gas, parking lot etc), plus the cost of admission to the food
3) Seating - U leave U lose your seat
4) Matches - You only get 1 meal at a time at the avenue
5) Commentary - Noone gives commentary on food.
Positives of staying home:
1) Comfort of your own home
2) Costs nothing to eat at home if there is a delivery service.
3) Never have to worry about losing your seat
4) You get both meals at the same time, which is amazing.
5) During downtime you don't have to sit around, you can play SC2 or literally anything else."
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Send me to fucking MLG Orlando and I will show you why it's better than looking at your LCD flat-screen of 15 to 23 inches in front of your leather black chair and dauntingly poorly-lit room while it eats your bandwidth and forces you watch all the games with the potential of streaming issues, terrible intermission music and constant views of how the crowd looks like without you and the number of chairs that were stolen within the those moments. Send me to MLG and I will show you that meeting a bunch of professionals, all these awesome community members and decent food than your hot-pockets from that dingy old-fashioned scuffed up white microwave and those flat-tasting beers you have in the back of your fridge.
Seriously though, I think Hot_Bid said that 80% of MLG is partying, who the hell doesn't go because one of their biggest issues is that they have to stand (or they lose their seat). the games are on the internet after anyways, why not just watch the games after you went to MLG if you don't like standing that much
No really, send me, I'll take pictures for you and talk to everyone you want me to bwahah
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On September 23 2011 01:04 atmuh wrote:I'm gonna ignore everything and mostly just reply to Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 08:28 Hot_Bid wrote:
I dunno I think this is a pretty good discussion, recently with the NFL and NBA and HD televisions, a lot of fans would rather stay home and watch rather than go watch live. Especially if you have a barcraft or friends over, you still get some rah rah fan spirit too. SC2 events with multiple matches same time on streams are even more attractive for fans to stay home too in comparison to live sports. It's a very real problem for those big sports these days. because it's an excuse to talk sports. Honestly for professional sports (at least for me) the big swaying factor was not the comfort level but instead for the cost of going to a game. I had season tickets to the Jets for many years and at that time they were on a waiting list that lasted forever, and people would have gone to great lengths to be able to get to the top of that list to start getting season tickets. After the new Stadium, PSLs, and our ticket prices going from $180 to I think $450 a ticket, we decided to stop our season tickets and watch everything from home. This was common with most people that had them which is what led to there being so much more availability (not even selling out games) the past two seasons. The same thing happened with the Yankees and the Mets the past few seasons since they built their new ballparks (well the Mets being a complete joke as much as I love them helps towards that too). The super expensive seats very rarely sell out. I only really know the situation in New York though, as I couldn't talk about teams around the country, but the big sports cities still have no problem drawing the big crowds. The comfort of watching a game at home is definitely a factor in this, but not really the biggest factor that determines if a game is going to sell out or not. Anyways ignoring all this Rekrul knows what's up.
It's a business. A for-profit enterprise.
Even with just 50% admission, if the prices of all the tickets went up by a similar percentage, they're actually making more money than they were before. They're just smarter now than they used to be..... Revenues coming from the venue are a basically just a drop in the bucket compared to the sponsorship and advertising revenues, but trying to optimize a source of revenue is still in the interest of the ownership of the team/stadium.
The vast majority of people who watch football, baseball, and other sports, do so from home. At the same time, a game of football wouldn't be the same if there was no crowd in the stands, so as long as the stadiums have some people in them, I don't think that charging more to watch the games from the stands will directly hurt the quality of the games.
E-sports needs to head in this direction in the future if it is going to become something big. If some people aren't thrilled about going to a live event, and would rather watch from home, well, that's to be expected, since that happens with all other sports. But, at the moment, these e-sports events are a lot smaller than other professional sports. As such, it's going to be hard for them to charge 450 bucks for a spectator ticket, when it could cost the person another 500+ for other expenses just to attend the event, and still hope to draw any crowd, but tournaments like the NASL and MLG are definitely leading us in the right direction.
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On September 22 2011 06:34 Rekrul wrote:
No one cares.
I'm afraid i agree. Also, what's up with "if only there was a barcraft in Miami" ?
Last i looked Miami was full of bars and i'm sure there are other SC2 fans in the area - just make it happen!
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On September 23 2011 02:53 Torte de Lini wrote:
Send me to fucking MLG Orlando and I will show you why it's better than looking at your LCD flat-screen of 15 to 23 inches in front of your leather black chair and dauntingly poorly-lit room while it eats your bandwidth and forces you watch all the games with the potential of streaming issues, terrible intermission music and constant views of how the crowd looks like without you and the number of chairs that were stolen within the those moments. Send me to MLG and I will show you that meeting a bunch of professionals, all these awesome community members and decent food than your hot-pockets from that dingy old-fashioned scuffed up white microwave and those flat-tasting beers you have in the back of your fridge.
Seriously though, I think Hot_Bid said that 80% of MLG is partying, who the hell doesn't go because one of their biggest issues is that they have to stand (or they lose their seat). the games are on the internet after anyways, why not just watch the games after you went to MLG if you don't like standing that much
No really, send me, I'll take pictures for you and talk to everyone you want me to bwahah
Yeah but the parties only apply to like 1% of the people that go to MLG's in the end, if you really think about it. You have to know somebody to get in to them and they're pretty crowded. To be honest in the end the fan interaction with players and the atmosphere is what brings people to events and what will always make MLG run out of seats.
HotBid makes a great analogy, some people like watching an NFL game from home, maybe invite a few friends over or even just watch it by yourself. Maybe you'll go to a bar for the small atmosphere there.
But in the end, people will still show up to the stadiums because the atmosphere there is unlike anything you can emulate at home or at a bar.
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On September 23 2011 04:15 Zlasher wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 02:53 Torte de Lini wrote:
Send me to fucking MLG Orlando and I will show you why it's better than looking at your LCD flat-screen of 15 to 23 inches in front of your leather black chair and dauntingly poorly-lit room while it eats your bandwidth and forces you watch all the games with the potential of streaming issues, terrible intermission music and constant views of how the crowd looks like without you and the number of chairs that were stolen within the those moments. Send me to MLG and I will show you that meeting a bunch of professionals, all these awesome community members and decent food than your hot-pockets from that dingy old-fashioned scuffed up white microwave and those flat-tasting beers you have in the back of your fridge.
Seriously though, I think Hot_Bid said that 80% of MLG is partying, who the hell doesn't go because one of their biggest issues is that they have to stand (or they lose their seat). the games are on the internet after anyways, why not just watch the games after you went to MLG if you don't like standing that much
No really, send me, I'll take pictures for you and talk to everyone you want me to bwahah Yeah but the parties only apply to like 1% of the people that go to MLG's in the end, if you really think about it. You have to know somebody to get in to them and they're pretty crowded. To be honest in the end the fan interaction with players and the atmosphere is what brings people to events and what will always make MLG run out of seats. HotBid makes a great analogy, some people like watching an NFL game from home, maybe invite a few friends over or even just watch it by yourself. Maybe you'll go to a bar for the small atmosphere there. But in the end, people will still show up to the stadiums because the atmosphere there is unlike anything you can emulate at home or at a bar.
Bullshit. I meet at least 20-30 people per event that have ZERO previous history with anyone (just random fans) that end up getting to tag along with the pros and party all weekened/ It's sort of cool when it happens too, you can tell the person was hoping to maybe say hi to one player and here they are with this look of amazement as they are partying with a bunch of pros. Is it a small %? Sure. But these are people with NO previous connections.
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I think the chance to meet a bunch of TLers would be the most fun I could ever have at a MLG. At LAN ETS, me and about 14 TLers and players went to Reuben's and we just talked, joked and laughed about a whole bunch of things.
It was pure wholesome fun :3
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On September 23 2011 04:27 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 04:15 Zlasher wrote:On September 23 2011 02:53 Torte de Lini wrote:
Send me to fucking MLG Orlando and I will show you why it's better than looking at your LCD flat-screen of 15 to 23 inches in front of your leather black chair and dauntingly poorly-lit room while it eats your bandwidth and forces you watch all the games with the potential of streaming issues, terrible intermission music and constant views of how the crowd looks like without you and the number of chairs that were stolen within the those moments. Send me to MLG and I will show you that meeting a bunch of professionals, all these awesome community members and decent food than your hot-pockets from that dingy old-fashioned scuffed up white microwave and those flat-tasting beers you have in the back of your fridge.
Seriously though, I think Hot_Bid said that 80% of MLG is partying, who the hell doesn't go because one of their biggest issues is that they have to stand (or they lose their seat). the games are on the internet after anyways, why not just watch the games after you went to MLG if you don't like standing that much
No really, send me, I'll take pictures for you and talk to everyone you want me to bwahah Yeah but the parties only apply to like 1% of the people that go to MLG's in the end, if you really think about it. You have to know somebody to get in to them and they're pretty crowded. To be honest in the end the fan interaction with players and the atmosphere is what brings people to events and what will always make MLG run out of seats. HotBid makes a great analogy, some people like watching an NFL game from home, maybe invite a few friends over or even just watch it by yourself. Maybe you'll go to a bar for the small atmosphere there. But in the end, people will still show up to the stadiums because the atmosphere there is unlike anything you can emulate at home or at a bar. Bullshit. I meet at least 20-30 people per event that have ZERO previous history with anyone (just random fans) that end up getting to tag along with the pros and party all weekened/ It's sort of cool when it happens too, you can tell the person was hoping to maybe say hi to one player and here they are with this look of amazement as they are partying with a bunch of pros. Is it a small %? Sure. But these are people with NO previous connections.
atmuh did it to me at MLG Raleigh. Unreal stalker.
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