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Tortious_Tortoise
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States944 Posts
September 12 2011 19:13 GMT
#21
I never thought all that much about Total Biscuit before. I liked him for his accent and his seemingly light-hearted take on the game, but never really respected him before because he's not and never was one of the best of the best.

This blog has made me a Total Biscuit fan. He brings insight and intrigue to (mostly) European StarCraft, and he devotes so much time, energy, and resources to eSports and the StarCraft community. You are a total boss, Total Biscuit!
Treating eSports as a social science since 2011; Credo: "The system is never wrong"-- Day9 Daily #400 Part 3
Montana[TK]
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
1624 Posts
September 12 2011 19:17 GMT
#22
Don't fret TB. Invite purely off of skill next time and you're bound to see good games, that way you'll also help players who don't have an established fanbase yet gain more exposure.
Plexa: "It's not [caster] bashing when its the truth."
robin19999
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands246 Posts
September 12 2011 19:23 GMT
#23
Thanks for the tournament TB, I didn't have time to watch the whole tournament but I think I watched atleast 75%.

The tournament was well run and casting was great. Unfotunately there were a lot of 3-0's but that's something you can't predict before hand when you are making the brackets. Also the tip system is very inventive and I like it because it allows someone to support the player which they were unable before this system. I think it is something worth using in more tournaments.

Great tournament and i'm already looking forward to the next.
Gurrgeh
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom24 Posts
September 12 2011 19:52 GMT
#24
I feel like it's very hard for you to plan for good games or close matches in the tournament. Sometimes magic will happen and sometimes it will not and the best thing you can really do is just keep inviting good, entertaining players and run an efficient and awesome tournament. Look at the GSL finals. So many of them are incredibly one sided and a lot of people feel let down but you can't go changing anything to "solve" it. Then look at GSTL which could be one-sided too but somehow it creates untold epicness. So many close finals in such a short span. Just trust in the format and the players in the long term and people will continue to enjoy it. As fans of esports we need some 3-0 results otherwise we'd never appreciate the close games and the 3-2 scores.

If you want to see specific matchups or reward certain players then there's nothing wrong with holding shoutcraft showmatches to specifically achieve that. You could almost certainly do a $500 or $1000 showmatch and cover yourself with the donations and ad revenue and perhaps a little on top (for the larger prize end). I guess the harder issue with those would be sorting out all the logistics and hassle (like getting dApollo to drive up) for a much shorter format. Still, I think you'd pull it off very well if you chose to.

I feel like I need to especially appreciate you guys as a fellow brit.. but you make it easy. I've even been away travelling (and write this from a hotel room in Italy) and yet I made time to see as much of SCI3 as I could because you all work hard and you put on a very good show that you should be very proud of. From your early WoW videos ending up on mmo-champion through to your continued SC2 work and just getting to lament about shitty journeys to Dreamhack Summer with you, you've done a lot for the gaming community that i've been able to appreciate and enjoy. Thanks for all the work, both you, dApollo and the people in the background. Oh, your gamescom coverage was awesome too.
Egyptian_Head
Profile Joined October 2010
South Africa508 Posts
September 12 2011 20:24 GMT
#25
Some times you make good brackets and the games flop other times seemly bad brackets provide good games, all you can do is try to provide the good games, there is very little a tournament organiser can go to esure a good close tournament.

good job TB, keep it up. Hope the brackets work out better next time.
Dittert
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States97 Posts
September 12 2011 21:29 GMT
#26
I think you did a good job making this one about "fan favorites." I was very excited to see TLO, Tyler, and WhiteRa play, especially since I don't always get to watch them in larger tournaments.
DoublespeakUS
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States55 Posts
September 12 2011 21:55 GMT
#27
Very informative.

I understand that you can be very critical of yourself TB and I hope you are relaxing now that SCi3 is over.

I admit it was early for me - Central American (Chicago) time. But it's nothing that I don't normally do for work or the GSL.

Perhaps do an American Rerun, similar to what the IPL does for EU. I was definitely busy Sunday morning and would of loved to watch a rebroadcast, even though I know that the videos are on jtv and youtube. It's just nice to have the authenticity of a live stream running fluently, along with reading chat and such.

Great job!
MMA/Select/Thorzain
WolfgangKies
Profile Joined June 2011
25 Posts
September 12 2011 22:16 GMT
#28
On September 13 2011 02:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:

...I would put the slightly lower views down to the awkward time for Americans, plus the potential effect of the September 11th anniversary...


I think though the above mentioned factors did contribute to the lower views in my mind the main issue is that the SCIs and in particular the SCI III are absurdly underhyped for what they are (outstanding in every possible way be it the huge prize pool, the fact that it's entirely funded by the community, the highly entertainig casters, the exceptional players or last but by no means least the absolute dedication of TB and his team which results in unparalleled professionalism.)
I guess what I'm trying to say is you need better PR for your invitationals Sir Biscuit; I don't know,you could just use your contacts in the community, ask Day[9] and Husky if they would put out videos to promote the tourneys, maybe you could send Day[9] a shirt with all the necessary information printed on it, which then he could wear during his dailies or something like that
Anyway, great tournament as always (thank you for that) and keep up the good work!

(I know I posted this twice but I don't know whether this is the correct place to put it or the "SHOUTcraft Invitational 3 - Catchy Title" thread)
All that it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing
Adebisi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1637 Posts
September 12 2011 22:22 GMT
#29
On September 13 2011 07:16 WolfgangKies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2011 02:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:

...I would put the slightly lower views down to the awkward time for Americans, plus the potential effect of the September 11th anniversary...


I think though the above mentioned factors did contribute to the lower views in my mind the main issue is that the SCIs and in particular the SCI III are absurdly underhyped for what they are (outstanding in every possible way be it the huge prize pool, the fact that it's entirely funded by the community, the highly entertainig casters, the exceptional players or last but by no means least the absolute dedication of TB and his team which results in unparalleled professionalism.)
I guess what I'm trying to say is you need better PR for your invitationals Sir Biscuit; I don't know,you could just use your contacts in the community, ask Day[9] and Husky if they would put out videos to promote the tourneys, maybe you could send Day[9] a shirt with all the necessary information printed on it, which then he could wear during his dailies or something like that
Anyway, great tournament as always (thank you for that) and keep up the good work!

(I know I posted this twice but I don't know whether this is the correct place to put it or the "SHOUTcraft Invitational 3 - Catchy Title" thread)

I think the PR is fine... I mean its announced way ahead of time with a lot of activity on the TL thread, he puts it on his youtube, and every time a new player is announced it makes it to the front page of r/starcraft, and during the event its at the top of r/starcraft.

Frankly the start time killed it for me so I'm just getting caught up on VODs of specific matches, stay up to watch GSL finals -> wake up at 2pm EST next day, SCI3 already over
surfinbird1
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany999 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-12 22:30:11
September 12 2011 22:25 GMT
#30
I'm a big fan of TB's work and SCi3 didn't disappoint in my opinion. The delays were out of your control, the sound issues were nonexistant for me, the stream was stable (on day one, day two was a little bit shaky), the quality was awesome and the casting was top notch. What can I say, keep on truckin'.
One little issue I have though are the tip jars. I know you introduced those so players would get a little extra without breaking the 5k Blizzard limit and people could support their favorite player specifically. I would rather have people donating money to the "organisation" to keep the series going.
Also, do you and Apollo get anything out of this or are you doing this just because you enjoy it so much? I mean, you put in a lot of hard work and you don't get compensation for that. I guess, youtube/twitch.tv views give a little something but many people watch the tournament live and won't watch the VODs and the ad-revenue only supports the next tournament.
Anyways, congratulations on another successful SCi. (And please more Terraria with Jesse :D)
Edit: On the TLO issue: I don't think TLO played abysmal or anything. In my humble opinion it was his weird build order which shot him in the foot. The reaper is a nice touch but concussive shells are godly. Also Bunkers! This could have ended in a very different fashion if he had used a little more standard builds. Say what you will, his micro was spot on in most of his games.
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Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
September 13 2011 04:09 GMT
#31
The super early start time for west coast Americans probably contributed to some of us just watching VODs this time around (woke up at 9:00am to see day 1 just finish). At least the VODs came up nearly instantly and in a playlist. Grats to Socke (long time fan of this dude) and DDE for being unexpectedly awesome again lol.

Not too upset about the 3-0s. I don't expect every match/game to be close 50 minute game and going down to the "ace match" every time. I'm just as happy seeing a player winning quickly and decisively.
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
September 13 2011 04:16 GMT
#32
Awesome post with a lot of good information; i missed a lot of this tournament but it has become a bit of a staple some really good matches and surprise performances.

I think the next one should get hyped up beyond measure because it deserves more attention!

In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4342 Posts
September 13 2011 05:39 GMT
#33
Thanks for all your work TB. Love ya!
So wait? I'm bad? =(
Bartiemus
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand84 Posts
September 13 2011 05:57 GMT
#34
Watching the vods now the time is rubbish for SEANZ but otherwise good format for a tourment
Id rather just kill you and call it a day.
Bear4188
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1797 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-13 06:05:20
September 13 2011 06:04 GMT
#35
In regards to American viewership you might also want to note that it is now football season here, which is certainly reducing the amount of Starcraft I'm watching and probably the same for many others. Something to keep in mind as I'm sure a lot of tournaments will be noticing a slight dip in numbers.
"I learned very early the difference between knowing the name of something and knowing something." - R. Feynman
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
September 13 2011 07:23 GMT
#36
On September 13 2011 07:25 surfinbird1 wrote:
Also, do you and Apollo get anything out of this or are you doing this just because you enjoy it so much? I mean, you put in a lot of hard work and you don't get compensation for that. I guess, youtube/twitch.tv views give a little something but many people watch the tournament live and won't watch the VODs and the ad-revenue only supports the next tournament.


As far as i know the only thing earning TB money from this tournament are the youtube views of the VODs, other than that it seems that all the money flows back into the tournament.

Time for a "Please keep some of our ESports dollars" ("Force our ESports dollars down TBs and dApollos throat"? :p) Petition?
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