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Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 06:37:23
September 08 2011 06:34 GMT
#1
I can't win anymore. I was doing extremely well a couple of months ago, managing to reach master league at the beginning of the reset, and I was owning face of many master league players.

From there it went downhill.

Now I cant seem to win a single game. I feel as though I cant win a straight up macro game anymore. Zergs make infestors, and I die. Terran makes 1/1/1 or BFH drops and it is extremely hard to counter such playstyles. Now I've dropped to diamond, and even losing to occasional plat players. I am frustrated.

My vs Z is the worst where I seem to lose to a variety of all ins or even macro play leading to lategame brood/infestor.

1) Mass ling + infested terrans into zerging your natural

I hate this build. I lose my nat to this everytime unless I rushed super fast 11 minute colossus, on 2 base. However when I do that, I lose to a bunch of other timings including 2 base roach/ling all in, or to straight up mass roach play.

2) Mass ling + infestor

This is hopefully getting nerfed next patch so I can start doing my 6 gate pressure builds again. But this is currently quiet tricky for me. I cant seem to pressure the zerg reliably or kill him before he reaches broodlords. Once the zerg reaches broodlord + infestor it starts going downhill for me.

3) Ling + muta

This is kind of retarded, since I never used to have problem with these builds previously. These days I start preparing for infestors every game (usually by rushing fast colossus) and end up losing to sling/muta.

4)Bling drops

Easy and cheap to pull off, but the rewards are disproportionately high. I end up losing quiet a few probes especially if i'm outside my base trying to poke and he has a bunch of overlords dropping at multiple points simultaneously.

5) Fake expo into baneling busts(or 2 hatch low eco baneling busts)

I've lost count of the number of players who've done this to me. Some players let their hatch complete and then was over your base with larva from 2 bases. And scouting is almost impossible once speedlings are out. However this is relatively easily countered (atleast compared to my other problems)


I'm just venting at this point, but the problem for me is that I am losing to stuff and to players who I wasnt losing to a month ago (even in practise). I feel completely frustrated. I'm sure that there are gaping holes in my play, but I honestly believe that I cant go from relatively decent (mid masters) to low diamond within the span of a month. I practise extremely hard (atleast for my level, 15+ games per day), but I don't understand why I get fucked over so badly.

*
Envy fan since NTH.
ribboo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1842 Posts
September 08 2011 06:43 GMT
#2
You're frustrated. Take 1-2 days off, relax and do something else. When you get back, don't think about all crap you've lost against. Play it one game at a time. Analyse your replays, focus on your own mistakes, not why your opponents are bad and why you should beat them.

Somethimg like that did it for me. Was in a similar position.
Cramsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1100 Posts
September 08 2011 11:23 GMT
#3
I just went through a really crappy losing streak. I came back a day later and thought to myself "

" My MMR is going to be shit, so I'll just own the face off some scrubs and get back to where I was"

So my mindset totally changed and I won a ton of games. So a mental boost as well as it just being true to begin with
"give me 20 minutes and I'll make them quiet" - MVP
Rjay
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada73 Posts
September 08 2011 15:37 GMT
#4
What kinds of builds/openings are you using?

It sounds like you're trying to overcompensate and trying to blind counter certain builds (ling/infestor) which leaves you really weak to timing attacks and cheeses. You should rely on scouting (with obs or hallucinated phoenix) in order to see what kind of build you're opponents doing and react accordingly.
Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
September 08 2011 20:06 GMT
#5
The problem for me is that the zerg opens speedlings into lair into infestors every single game (ocassionally with roach warren/baneling nest thrown in), so its hard for me to judge what he is planning to do. I get the same information everytime but I don't know if he's planning to play safe and tech to broodlords or plans to bust me. With terran usually you can get clear indicators based on the count of his production facilities, but with zerg its hard to judge.
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