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imjorman
United States580 Posts
... And when I bring up pro starcraft and like GSL/MLG/etc. they're like "why would you watch that, its super nerdy." And I'm like oh... Does any of you guys have friends like this? if so, how do you attempt to engage in discussions with them about sc2?   | ||
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
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imjorman
United States580 Posts
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micronesia
United States24772 Posts
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Ulfsark
United States958 Posts
I laughed so hard at the part about ditching hotkeys. | ||
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Sc2Requiem
United States121 Posts
...yeah, that actually sounds like a lot of my friends. I figure it's their way of avoiding any ego-bruising | ||
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imjorman
United States580 Posts
On August 29 2011 04:47 micronesia wrote: The only solution is to take them on in 1v1, crush them, and whenever they try to give you advice or tell you they are wrong just tell them they can't say that to you since you crushed them! I've beat all of them in 1v1. It's just difficult to talk to them because they think they have a wealth of knowledge on SC2 when they don't even know about TL! A guy asked me, "so how do I get promoted?" That's a legit question. So I said, "You pretty just have to play a lot of games and win them. No secret, just get better." And he goes, "Well....I won three in a row the other day and I'm still Gold. I don't think that's right." And I go, "no no, like think 50 games. Not three." And they think that is an outrageous concept. I link them to various threads on TL and they think it's weird to read forums about a game... I just get frustrated : / | ||
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Kid-Fox
Canada400 Posts
Then I know someone else who has that ego you mentioned but actually backs it up by taking games off pros... | ||
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FacelessVoid
United States408 Posts
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
Just give them some time and play with them and beat them and slowly introduce them to the pro scene. | ||
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imjorman
United States580 Posts
On August 29 2011 04:54 FacelessVoid wrote: You know not everyone has to be a hardcore SC2 player. The game is designed for everyone to enjoy. That's what Blizz wants and that's how they make bank. I understand, nor did I refute that fact. I'm completely ok if someone just plays for fun. I try to improve at sc2 but I take other games much less seriously. But to pretend like you know everything and try to offer advice when your a casual is frustrating. | ||
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nitdkim
1264 Posts
On August 29 2011 04:57 imjorman wrote: I understand, nor did I refute that fact. I'm completely ok if someone just plays for fun. I try to improve at sc2 but I take other games much less seriously. But to pretend like you know everything and try to offer advice when your a casual is frustrating. that shit's so tiring to deal with. eventually, it'll be best to just don't play/discuss sc2 with them. | ||
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micronesia
United States24772 Posts
On August 29 2011 05:06 nitdkim wrote: that shit's so tiring to deal with. eventually, it'll be best to just don't play/discuss sc2 with them. More like, play but don't discuss XD | ||
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imjorman
United States580 Posts
lol yeah I'll play with them. I really don't wanna 2v2 or 3v3 like they've been asking because I don't wanna be responsible for carrying a team and people giving me crap if we lose. "well you must be bad because your the higher player and we still lost." ugh : / | ||
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RyuChus
Canada442 Posts
On August 29 2011 04:53 Kid-Fox wrote: One of my friends really hates SC2 and the progamer scene in it because he feels like it's very imbalanced. Interestingly, he really likes competitive SSBM (he can wavedash and do all that crazy stuff) and competitive Quake Live. I guess he's not "casual" because he's admitted himself that he's a nerd. Then I know someone else who has that ego you mentioned but actually backs it up by taking games off pros... Oh shit. Wavedashing? Bro if your friend can wavedash. YOU BETTER LISTEN. One day he's gonna wavedash into your house and blow it up. On topic, lots of my friends are like that. They find it stupid how Starcraft can be like that, reading forums and progaming. Stuff like that, it's not for the regular community, they have to be slowly merged in one by one. That's how it works. | ||
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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
Just take the game less seriously around them, and I'm sure you'll be fine. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
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gullberg
Sweden1301 Posts
On August 29 2011 04:47 micronesia wrote: The only solution is to take them on in 1v1, crush them, and whenever they try to give you advice or tell you they are wrong just tell them they can't say that to you since you crushed them! Very true ;D | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Haegr9599
United States210 Posts
If they REFUSE to accept the fact that they arnt good, throw them against a diamond/masters player, have them get destoryed, then have that person tell them how they got good. (Using control groups ftw? lolololololololol) if even after that, they still dont get it, introduce them to TL, and appeal to their comptetitive aspect, whether by saying that your never going to be good if you dont go to TL, or something a little less aggresive, whatever suits you. After that, dont talk to them about the game, just play them, destroy them, and pray that they wisen up eventually... lol | ||
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ClysmiC
United States2192 Posts
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imjorman
United States580 Posts
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On August 29 2011 05:51 imjorman wrote: I appreciate a lot of the advice. Simply because its easier for me to dodge them, I'm just gonna go with the "don't talk about sc2" route. I'd like to be able to take my interests to another level with the RL people around me, but it isn't meant to be I guess ^^ This is probably the most wise solution, the other route is to call them out on their bullshit. Just call them fucking terrible everytime they say something, what are they gonna do challenge you to a game? lol! | ||
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GhostKorean
United States2330 Posts
On August 29 2011 06:01 Divinek wrote: This is probably the most wise solution, the other route is to call them out on their bullshit. Just call them fucking terrible everytime they say something, what are they gonna do challenge you to a game? lol! Lol thats terrible D: Don't call your friends bad its mean  Besides it's really fun playing with one hand doing dt vs dt base races :o | ||
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Soluhwin
United States1287 Posts
On August 29 2011 06:01 GhostKorean wrote: If you play them 1v1 and they watch you play they will be like "HOLY SHIT MAN YOU COULD GO PRO" if you have anywhere over 100 apm ^^ I know what you mean... So many of my RL friends who have seen me play legitimately don't understand why I don't drop out of school and go pro. I'm only diamond in NA haha. There is also someone who insists that I do "Let's plays" of sc2... | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On August 29 2011 06:36 Soluhwin wrote: I know what you mean... So many of my RL friends who have seen me play legitimately don't understand why I don't drop out of school and go pro. I'm only diamond in NA haha. There is also someone who insists that I do "Let's plays" of sc2... Yeah I get that too. I try to link them the usual mastabatory bw videos of what pro looks like but they just don't understand. But you're so good! No i'm not. No seriously! No, seriously. Deezer could beat me without stream cheating. I'm not that good. | ||
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KwarK
United States43976 Posts
On August 29 2011 04:47 micronesia wrote: The only solution is to take them on in 1v1, crush them, and whenever they try to give you advice or tell you they are wrong just tell them they can't say that to you since you crushed them! Yep, if you've beaten them then anything you say is automatically more valid than anything they say. Furthermore if you've beaten a master then you're now master and if that master had ever beaten a grandmaster then he's really grandmaster which means you're grandmaster, you just didn't play enough to grind your way there. | ||
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BradwMD
United States43 Posts
But yeah, in engaging conversations with friends who play starcraft, I may bring up this strategy or something that I saw some top players do, then tell them where I learned it to try to convince them to maybe try to get them to at least look at the competitive scene, and I actually have gotten one of my friends to watch some of MLG back at Anaheim, I think i got him to watch Boxer vs MMA. | ||
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EscPlan9
United States2777 Posts
Wish I had some friends who were competitive gamers in some sense... | ||
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EscPlan9
United States2777 Posts
On August 29 2011 06:41 BradwMD wrote: I have quite a few, the ones who play starcraft I'll ask them if they want to watch some MLG with me, or GSL and they'll be like "no im a player not a watcher, you can't learn anything from that". To be fair, observing games do not help you out much with a game as mechanically demanding as SC2. They have a better approach to improving at the game. | ||
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Archmage
United States169 Posts
"You know what's good at holding off Cloaked Banshees? Broodlords." I have no idea what the hell was happening in his head that led him to say this, but needless to say, my other friend and I were laughing our asses off. | ||
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imjorman
United States580 Posts
On August 29 2011 06:55 Archmage wrote: I have a friend who can't get out of the Bronze League, but he still thinks he's pretty hot shit. Another friend and I (both Diamond) were discussing the pros and cons of holding off the cloaked Banshee variant of the 1/1/1 in ZvT without getting Lair tech. Classy as every, my Bronze friend walks up and says with a smirk on his face, "You know what's good at holding off Cloaked Banshees? Broodlords." I have no idea what the hell was happening in his head that led him to say this, but needless to say, my other friend and I were laughing our asses off. hahahaha that's awesome :D Yeah my friends mostly complain about the 2v2 nubs they play. His biggest complaint is when a guy "attacks me really early...like 7 minutes...and his teammate makes a lot of air." I'm always left thinking wtf | ||
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Phyrigian
New Zealand1332 Posts
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BradwMD
United States43 Posts
On August 29 2011 06:47 EscPlan9 wrote: To be fair, observing games do not help you out much with a game as mechanically demanding as SC2. They have a better approach to improving at the game. I was referring to a combination of spectating and playing being more beneficial than just playing and having no idea of the competitive scene and evolving metagame at all. | ||
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Scio
Germany522 Posts
On August 29 2011 06:55 Archmage wrote: I have a friend who can't get out of the Bronze League, but he still thinks he's pretty hot shit. Another friend and I (both Diamond) were discussing the pros and cons of holding off the cloaked Banshee variant of the 1/1/1 in ZvT without getting Lair tech. Classy as every, my Bronze friend walks up and says with a smirk on his face, "You know what's good at holding off Cloaked Banshees? Broodlords." I have no idea what the hell was happening in his head that led him to say this, but needless to say, my other friend and I were laughing our asses off. When someone comes up with something like that im always like "oh really? that works? can u teach me how? i go banshee and you hold it off" then they get totally smashed i had a little fun and most of the time the realize on their own that it was a fucking stupid idea..... so i dont have to be like "dude you know ....i mean ... that is retarded" so i dont run risk in hurting their ego. edit: typo | ||
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CooDu
Australia899 Posts
To be honest, the best friends I've found so far in this game are the people I meet on ladder. I have a whole friends list of practice partners. | ||
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