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An Opinion Piece #10

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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 17:06:18
August 24 2011 17:02 GMT
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An Opinion Piece #10
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Gather 'round children while uncle Chef rambles to himself


The teams that have disbanded

      The news of teams disbanding has troubled a great deal of Brood War fans. I'm reading things about people's hearts sinking, and the end of Brood War being nigh and that everything is just going to shit. I think it's the wrong attitude to have. If it's your favourite team or even if you just liked them, ok, be unhappy that they're disbanding, but drawing conclusions about the whole scene is detrimental and I'll tell you why.

The Proleague Finals had the highest rating of any program during its broadcast

      Wasn't that great news? Do we need to forget that so quickly? It even suggested that it was new fans, not old, that brought those numbers so high. We had Flash and we had Bisu bringing in tonnes and tonnes of fans. That's special. Some may call that hope, but I call it proof that Brood War is alive and well.
      Teams have come and gone. Look for a favourite old player in TLPD and see how many teams they've been on that don't even exist anymore. It's the nature of sponsors. It didn't mean Brood War dying before, and it doesn't mean it's dying now. It merely reflects the finances of the company. We'll very likely see new teams and new sponsors as space opens up for them.

Among Brood War fans there needs to be confidence

      We've been told by some top foreigners and we've been told by hoards of SC2 fans that our game is dying, and some have even joined us just to keep saying it as if they were one of us, and now, after a year or so of grinding, people are actually starting to believe it. If you are an SC2 fan who moved to BW, or if you are a fan of both games, you're of course welcome, but don't say the game is dying.
      There have always been dissenters who've said this game is dying and seemed more to want it to die so they could move on with their lives than because they believed it. In my mind this is what the top foreigners who've moved to SC2 are like. They want to dedicate themselves to SC2, so they want all temptations of BW to be eliminated (the ones who speak loudest about SC2 being the future and BW being old news). However, they don't bother me. What bothers me is that people who actively follow BW and aren't looking for it to be a part of their past are also starting to say this for the first time I can remember (people have claimed similar circumstances before, but have never seemed truthful). Maybe it's because TL isn't the sole beacon of BW anymore, it seems more real that BW is not the only game in the world.
      Despite all this, despite every bit of bad news BW gets (and really has always gotten), despite how real and bad it may get, Brood War fans need to have more confidence. Not because it's warranted, but because we're Brood War fans.

Love Brood War, don't mourn it

      Until Brood War is actually dead, until there is no proscene or foreign scene or ladder or anything, don't mourn for Brood War. Don't go to a sick person's bed and tell them how sad it is to see them dying. Don't go to a well person's bed and tell them how sad it would be to see them dying. Brood War is well now, and may become sick in the future, but if you are a true fan of this game and don't want to see it die, then do not plague it with ill prophecies.
      The phrase "self-fulfilled prophecy" is familiar to almost everyone. It means if you think something will happen, then you will start taking actions, however much or little you realise it, to cause it to be true. If you think BW is dying, you will lessen your enjoyment of the game. You will see every negative thing in the community and ignore the good. You will make it true.
      I'm writing this because I think Brood War fans need to hear it. Don't shoot our game in the foot. Love it, watch it. We may not have that much impact on the Korean scene, but at least in spirit we can support the game and show that we still care. We can talk about the players, the maps and the leagues for as long as they are still here. We can make funny BW cartoons, laugh and enjoy this game as long as it is still played. If we were the Koreans, if we were the people who affected the scene, then the sponsors would be looking at us 'do these people love this game or do they think it's dying?' Instead of sponsors we have your average user. 'do I want to join a community where everyone thinks their game is dying, or do I want to join a community full of people who are passionate and happy? Do I want to contribute to people who will appreciate what I have to offer to the game, or will they see it in a negative light?'
      Brood War can only die if the fans let it. We are the fans. We don't have to worry about numbers dwindling, and if we do we will cause that to become our reality.

Don't tell me this game is dying, because I know this game is immortal I remember my Howl for Brood War and I remember that it was answered.

****
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
August 24 2011 17:16 GMT
#2
I completely agree! Maybe BW stream numbers have lowered, but don't let that get your spirits down :p BW will live as long as we want it to :D
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OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
August 24 2011 17:24 GMT
#3
I'm going to shamelessly link a recent translation I did: [Twitter Q&A] Stork!!
According to my beloved favourite progamer Stork, SCBW ain't dying until the fans die off. We the fans can and will keep it alive!

SCBW forever, my comrade.
[TLMS] REBOOT
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
August 24 2011 17:25 GMT
#4
Pile all the awesome Brood War links you want in this thread
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
josemb40
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Peru611 Posts
August 24 2011 17:36 GMT
#5
good blog
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8147 Posts
August 24 2011 17:50 GMT
#6
Thanks, Chef.

I'm going to play some BW
Free Palestine
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 24 2011 17:52 GMT
#7
Hehe, Broodwar isn't dead at all. I loved the proleague finals, and I even got my friends to watch it with me at 4am. Crazy isn't it? Nah, as long as we love the game, it'll continue to live. Nice article Chef.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
August 24 2011 17:59 GMT
#8
5/5 stars for faith, hope, and vigor in the BW community <3 don't let the haters get you down
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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soujiro_
Profile Joined June 2010
Uruguay5195 Posts
August 24 2011 18:06 GMT
#9
great blog. its annoying as hell to even read bw fans say it is dying
bw will outlast all other "esports"

BW fighting!!!
ace hwaiting!!
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
August 24 2011 18:09 GMT
#10
BW will never die, not as long as I live!
What do you desire? Money? Glory? Power? Revenge? Or something that surpasses all other? Whatever you desire - that is here. Tower of God ¦¦Nutella, drink of the Gods
ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
August 24 2011 18:43 GMT
#11
Shiiieeettt, pulling a Dumbledore-esque speech from nowhere. Invigorating post. Gogo BW!
Come motivate me to be cynical about animus at http://infinityandone.blogspot.com/ // Stork proxy gates are beautiful.
structuralinertia
Profile Joined June 2009
Australia1426 Posts
August 24 2011 18:44 GMT
#12
agreed, completely
well said
Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
August 24 2011 18:45 GMT
#13
FUCK YEAH, BW forever!

New sponsor for wemade fox gogogo!
Lee Young Ho fighting! KT P are just CHINTOSSTIC.
Trozz
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3456 Posts
August 24 2011 19:15 GMT
#14
Much like chess or go,
I think brood war's immortal.
I'll always play it.
A build is not a guess, an estimation or a hunch, a feeling, or a foolish intuition. A build is a dependable, unwavering, unarguably accurate, portrayer of your ambition.
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
August 26 2011 16:01 GMT
#15
Well said Chef, every one in the BW forums needs to eat some concrete mix and harden up :D
SCBW for life!
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
August 26 2011 16:01 GMT
#16
Yes, agreed.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
August 26 2011 16:11 GMT
#17
Excellent post chef my hats off to you and I will keep that brood war flame in me burning brightly and stop all the doom sayers . We bw fans are eternal as long we keep supporting the GAME.
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
August 26 2011 16:14 GMT
#18
My god you guys are treating this like a religion.
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
August 26 2011 16:30 GMT
#19
On August 27 2011 01:14 Peterblue wrote:
My god you guys are treating this like a religion.



hahahahahaha!
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
XXGeneration
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States625 Posts
August 26 2011 16:55 GMT
#20
LONG LIVE BW!

BW WILL NEVER DIE IN MY HEART CHEF! <3

I found out about the pro scene in like 2008 or something, back when I was in like 6th grade or something. From then on, no other game has captured my attention like BW has.
"I was so surprised when I first played StarCraft 2. I couldn't believe that such an easy game exists... I guess the best way to attract people these days is to make things easy and simple." -Midas
IntoTheEmo
Profile Joined February 2009
Singapore1169 Posts
August 26 2011 20:18 GMT
#21
Oh wow how did I miss this blog.

Ridiculously well thought out and written post.

I agree, it is time for BW fans to rally behind their favourite game.

OSL Ro16 LR thread went to 110 pages, shows that TL is still interested.

Thank you for taking the time to write this.
MMOs kill APM. However Proleague plus BW Proscene music increase APM -> 100. 이제동 Fighting! Highest ranked Jaedong owner in FPL10 = clearly #1 Jaedong fan~! <- Keeping my sig from 2010
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 01:42:41
August 27 2011 01:41 GMT
#22
For anyone that doesn't know of BW's epicness from 2008 and back I present to you:

And Sunday Night Star Craft. Be warned: Not for those old enough not to have to ask their Mom for scissors.
+ Show Spoiler +


Now, remember, when you hunger for the war of the broods, think back to the days of old, the days of Sunday Night Star Craft . Just please, PLEASE Don't end up in trouble when your SCVs are ready!
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
Trozz
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3456 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-30 01:53:00
August 30 2011 01:52 GMT
#23
I just watched those vids.
5:00 on the vid above rocks.
Here's a sick subbed vod:


+ Show Spoiler +



A build is not a guess, an estimation or a hunch, a feeling, or a foolish intuition. A build is a dependable, unwavering, unarguably accurate, portrayer of your ambition.
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
August 30 2011 02:33 GMT
#24
On August 27 2011 05:18 IntoTheEmo wrote:
OSL Ro16 LR thread went to 110 pages, shows that TL is still interested.

I was going to point this out, but ya beat me to it.

Wonderful Blog
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
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