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Haha, I am such an agent provacateur. I kid the few that read this.
I understand why there are customs to offer your opponent to have good luck and/or have fun. It is completely absurd and an inane waste of time to type these few characters.
"Why...?" You must ask.
The answer is simple.
I want to win, I don't wish you luck, and although I may want you to have fun, I want you to have fun losing.
The end.
On August 24 2011 12:40 StarStruck wrote:
Your not the first to have this epiphany.
It's a lot like saying, "Hello, how are you?" and the person responds with "Fine," "Good", or whatever when they don't really mean it. It's become common courtesy to say such things even when you don't necessarily mean it. People say it with little to no thought nowadays. It just comes naturally to them because they are so used to saying it. It's plain; it's boring. People get it.
Guy's like White-Ra will have you believe they always mean such things when in reality they want to do their best to win.
With that said, when I'm at the card table I never wish a player good luck. I will have a good table conversation with them, but hell I want to take their money while I'm at it.
Just because you don't wish them good luck, doesn't mean you don't respect them as a person. -_-
This.
GL HF has become habits not a display of manners. You don't actually display respect by merely stating GLHF.
 
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Manners are one of the few things that keep us above unintelligent beasts. Also, it's always nice to make someone happy.
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How is it a waste of time? What else are you doing, exactly, 4 seconds into a game?
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Yeah now that you say something, when I say hi gl hf at the beginning of every game, I could be doing something a lot better with my time...
This is one of the least mature standpoints one can have, it's like you think you're intelligent and mature by not because of "reason", when it's actually the exact opposite...
Grow up a little?
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On August 24 2011 12:24 redoxx wrote:
Manners are one of the few things that keep us above unintelligent beasts. Also, it's always nice to make someone happy.
Dont be absurd.
We obviously shouldn't treat others with respect. It's pointless.
You don't need friends, or family, or significant others, or a job. You were born with strength to forcefully take what you want without wasting your time on inane things like social norms or manners.
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I'll be honest, whenever I type in 'gl hf gg' I never really mean it. I just want to crush my opponent, and hopefully he will have fun while it happens, but if he doesn't I don't care. I only do it to put up a false sense of friendliness, make us actually communicate instead of awkwardly playing a game killing each other without saying anything, and to see if I can type the characters out before my opponent does.
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Your not the first to have this epiphany.
It's a lot like saying, "Hello, how are you?" and the person responds with "Fine," "Good", or whatever when they don't really mean it. It's become common courtesy to say such things even when you don't necessarily mean it. People say it with little to no thought nowadays. It just comes naturally to them because they are so used to saying it. It's plain; it's boring. People get it.
Guy's like White-Ra will have you believe they always mean such things when in reality they want to do their best to win.
With that said, when I'm at the card table I never wish a player good luck. I will have a good table conversation with them, but hell I want to take their money while I'm at it.
Just because you don't wish them good luck, doesn't mean you don't respect them as a person. -_-
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My god! I never even thought about this before! Magnificent discovery! Brilliant man! You are a genius!
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Why not just say 'hf' then?
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This is why I just don't say anything, because then I don't really think about it and it becomes a null issue to me.
The thought people put into this is ridiculous. It never goes anywhere.
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Say it or don't say it, who cares is my opinion on it. I do say it every game with people I know or if someone says it to me on ladder first, but if they don't then its all good, I don't think anyone "really" cares that much about it.
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wow, you're a mean person, hope I don't glhf you sometime.
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On August 24 2011 12:51 tomatriedes wrote:
Why not just say 'hf' then?
I do.
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When I say good luck, I mean I will still play to win, but I hope he plays his best game, and loses because I outplay him not because he forgets to research stim or something stupid of the sort.
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So do you still say GG? if you are outmatched?
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I find it awkward when nothing gets said in a game, not sure why though. SEA seems to have some good manner folks on it, so sometimes I even get a bit of a chat while the game gets started.
I generally only don't say anything if it's like my 10th match (I've forgotten/Zombie mode by then!  )
I believe in saying it though, and I do mean it. It's the people who say glhf then rage at the end of the game and don't GG that I don't get lol.
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On August 24 2011 12:23 kineSiS- wrote:
This.
GL HF has become habits not a display of manners. You don't actually display respect by merely stating GLHF.
You use this as a defense, but it really just supports the opposing argument. You say you don't type GLHF because you don't really want them to have good luck, you want to beat them. Here, you are agreeing that most people don't LITERALLY mean "GLHF." It's a formality. It's polite. You don't have to mean it, but it's nice to say.
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I go through most matches completely silent, actually. If you don't say anything, they usually don't, either.
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On August 24 2011 12:24 redoxx wrote:
Manners are one of the few things that keep us above unintelligent beasts.
Robbing banks too.
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Why is something like this such a big deal ? I dont get it.
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On August 24 2011 13:37 Cofo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 12:23 kineSiS- wrote:
This.
GL HF has become habits not a display of manners. You don't actually display respect by merely stating GLHF. You use this as a defense, but it really just supports the opposing argument. You say you don't type GLHF because you don't really want them to have good luck, you want to beat them. Here, you are agreeing that most people don't LITERALLY mean "GLHF." It's a formality. It's polite. You don't have to mean it, but it's nice to say.
I believe that anything without true intent is not anything at all but a shell of itself. It's not manners if you callously and monotonously repeating the same set of lines they do to every other person. It's hilarious that people start off with gl hf and end with the worst set of rude comments you've heard. These "manners" are not manners at all but an implied and completely unnecessary set of apparently friendly gestures.
On August 24 2011 14:32 SarR wrote:
Why is something like this such a big deal ? I dont get it.
It isn't, did you see how tiny my blog was?
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I guess to me the idea of saying GL HF and meaning it is okay. I don't just play the game to win, I play to improve and for fun. Losing cause I tried something gimmicky and got unlucky will just teach me more about the game. Losing cause I made an error or something etc. Why not wish your opponent the best of luck and to have the most fun. This should be a friendly sport after all.
tl;dr Be more like White-Ra
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On August 24 2011 12:40 StarStruck wrote:
Your not the first to have this epiphany.
It's a lot like saying, "Hello, how are you?" and the person responds with "Fine," "Good", or whatever when they don't really mean it. It's become common courtesy to say such things even when you don't necessarily mean it. People say it with little to no thought nowadays. It just comes naturally to them because they are so used to saying it. It's plain; it's boring. People get it.
Guy's like White-Ra will have you believe they always mean such things when in reality they want to do their best to win.
With that said, when I'm at the card table I never wish a player good luck. I will have a good table conversation with them, but hell I want to take their money while I'm at it.
Just because you don't wish them good luck, doesn't mean you don't respect them as a person. -_-
If someone asks you "Hello, how are you?" Do you think it is more respectful to ignore them? To tell them off for asking?
Likewise, when someone says "GL HF," do you think it is more respectful to not respond?
With that said, you don't really think wishing someone good luck will change your chances of winning do you? Even if you don't mean it, it doesn't hurt to humor them.
If you want to be respectful, respond respectfully. If you don't want to be respectful, don't, but also don't come to a forum preaching about how our customs are "wrong" because you say so. That's a good way to start an argument you wont win.
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From a sports background, shaking hands before a game is standard. GLHF represents the same mentality to me.
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Well at least you're honest about being an asshole.
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On August 24 2011 16:17 Backpack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 12:40 StarStruck wrote:
Your not the first to have this epiphany.
It's a lot like saying, "Hello, how are you?" and the person responds with "Fine," "Good", or whatever when they don't really mean it. It's become common courtesy to say such things even when you don't necessarily mean it. People say it with little to no thought nowadays. It just comes naturally to them because they are so used to saying it. It's plain; it's boring. People get it.
Guy's like White-Ra will have you believe they always mean such things when in reality they want to do their best to win.
With that said, when I'm at the card table I never wish a player good luck. I will have a good table conversation with them, but hell I want to take their money while I'm at it.
Just because you don't wish them good luck, doesn't mean you don't respect them as a person. -_- If someone asks you "Hello, how are you?" Do you think it is more respectful to ignore them? To tell them off for asking? Likewise, when someone says "GL HF," do you think it is more respectful to not respond? With that said, you don't really think wishing someone good luck will change your chances of winning do you? Even if you don't mean it, it doesn't hurt to humor them. If you want to be respectful, respond respectfully. If you don't want to be respectful, don't, but also don't come to a forum preaching about how our customs are "wrong" because you say so. That's a good way to start an argument you wont win.
I never stated that anyone was wrong for saying it. I'm just saying that the majority of people do not mean it and that there's no reason to speak empty words.
Also, it's different if someone asks me a question. If I find that I like the person I will wish them to have fun. Games should be won by skill not luck even though it is a factor in the game. Let my opponents skill outshine mine.
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This is retarded.... Has it ever occurred to you that a lot of people play for fun and a good game is more important than winning a game? When I play, I just want a good, fun game. So exactly that, GL HF. I am not some obsessive, hyper-competitive little nerd who has invested my entire ego into a fking video game so that I MUST WIN and wish absolutely horrible things on my opponents in the hopes that it will carry me to a victory. That's just fking SAD, bro.
And yes, I'm in Master league. The game is not that hard.
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I mean it when I say it. as a very old bw player I find its very important to be manner to my opponent. The hardest games are often the most fun even if I lose. I see where you are coming from... but why intentionally bm people who are just doing something manner. stay quiet and don't talk to them if you don't want to. if you don't give a shit i'm sure they don't either.
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On August 24 2011 16:17 Backpack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 12:40 StarStruck wrote:
Your not the first to have this epiphany.
It's a lot like saying, "Hello, how are you?" and the person responds with "Fine," "Good", or whatever when they don't really mean it. It's become common courtesy to say such things even when you don't necessarily mean it. People say it with little to no thought nowadays. It just comes naturally to them because they are so used to saying it. It's plain; it's boring. People get it.
Guy's like White-Ra will have you believe they always mean such things when in reality they want to do their best to win.
With that said, when I'm at the card table I never wish a player good luck. I will have a good table conversation with them, but hell I want to take their money while I'm at it.
Just because you don't wish them good luck, doesn't mean you don't respect them as a person. -_- If someone asks you "Hello, how are you?" Do you think it is more respectful to ignore them? To tell them off for asking? Likewise, when someone says "GL HF," do you think it is more respectful to not respond? With that said, you don't really think wishing someone good luck will change your chances of winning do you? Even if you don't mean it, it doesn't hurt to humor them. If you want to be respectful, respond respectfully. If you don't want to be respectful, don't, but also don't come to a forum preaching about how our customs are "wrong" because you say so. That's a good way to start an argument you wont win.
Instead of looking at a piece, look at the whole. The question is innocent in itself (for it's the trigger); however, when you tie it in with the response you see the full picture. When someone answers with "Good" or "Fine" in many circumstances very little thought was put into it. They've been conditioned to respond that way. Same set of rules apply when someone uses "GL HF."
I tell people to be personable all the time and try to avoid such travesties of human dialogue.
Some people are superstitious, especially when it comes to poker players. Now, I wouldn't necessarily call myself superstitious, as I don't have a lucky hat, or a lucky hand for that matter like Doyle Brunson. I humor people all the time in other ways. I let my charisma show all the time.
Ah, the Golden Rule: treat others as you would like to be treated. I have no problem with this, but that doesn't necessarily mean I have to elicit or echo the same line back. If you are playing on the ladder odds are you don't know them. You have never met them. They are completely faceless and what you describe as the norm of etiquette loses some of its oomph (the Milgram experiment comes to mind). I don't recall calling your customs 'wrong' per say. I find it whimsical. We've had several conversations about several gestures including the GG, memes, and other shenanigans like ceremonies. The origins and developments tickle my fancy.
When I converse with people whether it be online or face-to-face I rather cut out all the shit and have a truly engaging conversation. Doesn't make me less of a person when I don't repeat 'GL HF' or use stupid meme's to elicit a response from people. Everyone's seen the magician pull the rabbit out of the hat before. It's old and outdated. Why not try something new?
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I say glhf because I mean just that. I want him to have fun, and have good luck. I still want to cream him, don't get me wrong. But if he outplays me and wins, and I had fun losing it, I'm satisfied with not winning. Of course a win would be better. But I play to have fun. If he had fun, good for him. That makes me happy. I truly hope he has fun when he plays me.
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On August 24 2011 12:51 tomatriedes wrote:
Why not just say 'hf' then?
This makes sense. I don't understand the people that do just the "gl" half, though. You want me to be lucky in the game (and possibly beat you), but you don't want me to have fun doing it? I see more people typing just "gl" than just "hf."
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On August 24 2011 13:22 kineSiS- wrote:I do.
ThorZaiN only says hf too. Cracks me up
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