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Ravencruiser
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada519 Posts
August 23 2011 01:50 GMT
#1
So i just downloaded and watched the replays of Puma 3-0'ing MC at IEM, and being a Terran player, I had a HUGE evil grin on my face as I watched the series.

Game 1. Xelnaga Caverns = small map = 1/1/1.

MC holds off the first wave, is in a massive 7x vs 4x supply lead after the dust settles, and dies to the next wave because with ~20 scvs and mules, Terran can 1/1/1 waves all day, everyday.

MC: Fuck my life, and fuck this build. Maybe I shouldn't have been cocky dissing this build just a while ago. No problem, I'll just rape Puma on the macro maps.

Game 2. Terminus SE = macro map = 1 rax expo.

Both players macro a bit hopping on 2 bases, but MC makes the mistake of not getting upgrades and not getting an early 3rd choosing to get lots gateway units. Meanwhile, Puma takes an earlier 3rd, and sits in his natural ready for defense; if he holds he'll win, he's ahead in both economy and upgrades. MC tries to do as much damage as he could, but Puma holds losing only 2 barracks to blink stalkers while trading armies cost effectively. Game drags on for another 10 minutes, but MC eventually gets rolled by maxed 3/2 Terran bio with ghosts.

MC: Fuck my life, I hate this stupid race, and I hate this retardedly low skill-ceiling game. I'm the best protoss in the world how did I just get rolled like that. This was supposed to be my (macro game).

Game 3. Metalopolis = small map = Obviously, 1/1/1 !

MC knows he'll die to 1/1/1 playing standard, so he whips out his "anti 1/1/1" phoenix build. Puma gets 3 barrack/factory/staport and just happily sits in his base massing up that game-ending mid-game 1/1/1 army. MC on the other hand, sits on 1 gate for a long time while chrono'ing out 4 phoenixes trying to harass; he failed pretty badly to marine spread around Puma's base, sniping the raven and 1 scv while losing 1 phoenix. At this point, with mules Puma gathers ~200 more minerals per minute than MC as MC produced the phoenixes at the cost of an expansion. Inevitably, MC decided that he has to take an expansion, so he ninjas an expansion across the map from his main. Also inevitably, Puma rolls out with his marines/tanks/raven, and starts killing an empty protoss base as MC decides to base trade, but we all know how well base trades turn out against a Terran player, don't we. Puma floats his shit to the protoss main, and pushes across the map to MC's expansion. Stuff happen with MC trying his best to hold off the push, but Puma's army just cannot be killed so MC decides to hunt down Puma's floating buildings, which sadly are in opposite corners of the map, the phoenixes doing a pitiful 5 damage per attack to floating builds. MC GGs when his last pylon is red health.

MC: If nerfs don't come out before the next GSL, I'm switching to Terran and I'll win the 3rd GSL like I should have if I picked Terran from the beginning.


Thank you Blizzard and Terran players better than me for this wonderful build, enabling me to win all my TvPs against equally skilled opponents.(Wiki)

*
"Yah, free will is a bitch" - Drone
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
August 23 2011 01:53 GMT
#2
It's not even 1-1-1. It's usually 3-1-1, I don't know why people keep calling it that.

If you actually go 1-1-1, you end up with excess minerals and not enough marines to kill the protoss.

Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
August 23 2011 01:55 GMT
#3
it's because you open 1 rax, 1 fact, 1 starport to tech up as quickly as possible.... if you said 3-1-1 no one would have any idea what you were talking about and would just think they're going MMM.

Also, I avoid using this build. There's no doubt in my mind that it's going to be nerfed or unusable in the near future.
Gi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States30 Posts
August 23 2011 02:07 GMT
#4
Puma is amazing, he's more than just an opening. He was extremely skilled in brood war, but was plagued by nerve issues. Flash hand picked him as his TvT practice partner. For those of you who weren't here during that time, I'll just explain how it happened. Basically Flash wanted the best practice partner possible for terran versus terran, so he said "Bring me Puma" at which point KT Rolster immediately sent a helicoptor to retreive Puma and bring him back to the castle that Flash used whenever he wanted to practice starcraft. It's no surprise that after growing and getting more experience Puma is a dominant force in the SC2 scene.
Juxx
Profile Joined April 2010
325 Posts
August 23 2011 02:40 GMT
#5
I don't understand. I think that MC played bad in all sets, and made crucial mistakes. he could have won game 1 and 3 easily, and for a while he was ahead in game 2. He is just frustrated.
Grubby Fighting!
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
August 23 2011 02:53 GMT
#6
Where are these replays? Need to investigate :D
Sup
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-23 03:10:31
August 23 2011 03:09 GMT
#7
Actually Puma is Flash's step brother. When Flash became a progamer he said ''I won't go anywhere without my step brother Puma". I heard from a reliable source that Puma was so good, he taught Flash how to 14cc and also taught him how to micro vultures. Sure, he wasn't Flash's only practice partner but he was the best; he had 85% winrate against Flash (during practice).

In 2008 Puma was awarded the Copper Mouse, which is a trophy that you earn by helping players win at least 3 OSL/MSL. Then Puma became Jaedong's, Fantasy's, and Jangbi's practice partner. He used to play random sometimes and managed to keep a 75% winrate against jaedong and Fantasy, while maintaining a 99% winrate against Jangbi.
o choro é livre
Yamulo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2096 Posts
August 23 2011 03:38 GMT
#8
On August 23 2011 12:09 AlBundy wrote:
Actually Puma is Flash's step brother. When Flash became a progamer he said ''I won't go anywhere without my step brother Puma". I heard from a reliable source that Puma was so good, he taught Flash how to 14cc and also taught him how to micro vultures. Sure, he wasn't Flash's only practice partner but he was the best; he had 85% winrate against Flash (during practice).

In 2008 Puma was awarded the Copper Mouse, which is a trophy that you earn by helping players win at least 3 OSL/MSL. Then Puma became Jaedong's, Fantasy's, and Jangbi's practice partner. He used to play random sometimes and managed to keep a 75% winrate against jaedong and Fantasy, while maintaining a 99% winrate against Jangbi.

Not going to lie, I love this post. if i could rate this, it would be a 5/5.. The blog not so much. I mean there is already three threads about the topic.. t.t
~~~Liquid Fighting (SC2)~~~
Rainmaker5
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1027 Posts
August 23 2011 03:43 GMT
#9
On August 23 2011 12:09 AlBundy wrote:
Actually Puma is Flash's step brother. When Flash became a progamer he said ''I won't go anywhere without my step brother Puma". I heard from a reliable source that Puma was so good, he taught Flash how to 14cc and also taught him how to micro vultures. Sure, he wasn't Flash's only practice partner but he was the best; he had 85% winrate against Flash (during practice).

In 2008 Puma was awarded the Copper Mouse, which is a trophy that you earn by helping players win at least 3 OSL/MSL. Then Puma became Jaedong's, Fantasy's, and Jangbi's practice partner. He used to play random sometimes and managed to keep a 75% winrate against jaedong and Fantasy, while maintaining a 99% winrate against Jangbi.

This post actually made me facepalm.
(-_(-_(-_(^_(-_(-_(-_-)_-)_-)_-)_-)_-)_-) CJ Fighting! "Beer -> soju -> whisky is a terrible build"~~ Scrarecrow.
XXGeneration
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States625 Posts
August 23 2011 04:06 GMT
#10
On August 23 2011 12:09 AlBundy wrote:
Actually Puma is Flash's step brother. When Flash became a progamer he said ''I won't go anywhere without my step brother Puma". I heard from a reliable source that Puma was so good, he taught Flash how to 14cc and also taught him how to micro vultures. Sure, he wasn't Flash's only practice partner but he was the best; he had 85% winrate against Flash (during practice).

In 2008 Puma was awarded the Copper Mouse, which is a trophy that you earn by helping players win at least 3 OSL/MSL. Then Puma became Jaedong's, Fantasy's, and Jangbi's practice partner. He used to play random sometimes and managed to keep a 75% winrate against jaedong and Fantasy, while maintaining a 99% winrate against Jangbi.


I feel mildly offended after reading this for reasons I can't quite understand myself.
"I was so surprised when I first played StarCraft 2. I couldn't believe that such an easy game exists... I guess the best way to attract people these days is to make things easy and simple." -Midas
JoFritzMD
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia163 Posts
August 23 2011 04:10 GMT
#11
On August 23 2011 12:09 AlBundy wrote:
Actually Puma is Flash's step brother. When Flash became a progamer he said ''I won't go anywhere without my step brother Puma". I heard from a reliable source that Puma was so good, he taught Flash how to 14cc and also taught him how to micro vultures. Sure, he wasn't Flash's only practice partner but he was the best; he had 85% winrate against Flash (during practice).

In 2008 Puma was awarded the Copper Mouse, which is a trophy that you earn by helping players win at least 3 OSL/MSL. Then Puma became Jaedong's, Fantasy's, and Jangbi's practice partner. He used to play random sometimes and managed to keep a 75% winrate against jaedong and Fantasy, while maintaining a 99% winrate against Jangbi.


First I was like "They actually went to the effort of keeping track of who helped who win OSL/MSL's?"

But then I lol'd.
"Guess what. All my strategies are made of balls." - Tasteless
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
August 23 2011 04:22 GMT
#12
On August 23 2011 12:09 AlBundy wrote:
Actually Puma is Flash's step brother. When Flash became a progamer he said ''I won't go anywhere without my step brother Puma". I heard from a reliable source that Puma was so good, he taught Flash how to 14cc and also taught him how to micro vultures. Sure, he wasn't Flash's only practice partner but he was the best; he had 85% winrate against Flash (during practice).

In 2008 Puma was awarded the Copper Mouse, which is a trophy that you earn by helping players win at least 3 OSL/MSL. Then Puma became Jaedong's, Fantasy's, and Jangbi's practice partner. He used to play random sometimes and managed to keep a 75% winrate against jaedong and Fantasy, while maintaining a 99% winrate against Jangbi.

he's actually still practicing with flash as we speak while pursuing a sc2 career
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-23 04:24:52
August 23 2011 04:24 GMT
#13
On August 23 2011 11:07 fritz87 wrote:
Puma is amazing, he's more than just an opening. He was extremely skilled in brood war, but was plagued by nerve issues. Flash hand picked him as his TvT practice partner. For those of you who weren't here during that time, I'll just explain how it happened. Basically Flash wanted the best practice partner possible for terran versus terran, so he said "Bring me Puma" at which point KT Rolster immediately sent a helicoptor to retreive Puma and bring him back to the castle that Flash used whenever he wanted to practice starcraft. It's no surprise that after growing and getting more experience Puma is a dominant force in the SC2 scene.

Also really hate how just about EVERYONE says this. Yes, we get it, one of artosis's 20 predictions actually came true and it only took like 5 years and now he's riding it out as far as he can whenever he can.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
August 23 2011 04:30 GMT
#14
On August 23 2011 12:09 AlBundy wrote:
Actually Puma is Flash's step brother. When Flash became a progamer he said ''I won't go anywhere without my step brother Puma". I heard from a reliable source that Puma was so good, he taught Flash how to 14cc and also taught him how to micro vultures. Sure, he wasn't Flash's only practice partner but he was the best; he had 85% winrate against Flash (during practice).

In 2008 Puma was awarded the Copper Mouse, which is a trophy that you earn by helping players win at least 3 OSL/MSL. Then Puma became Jaedong's, Fantasy's, and Jangbi's practice partner. He used to play random sometimes and managed to keep a 75% winrate against jaedong and Fantasy, while maintaining a 99% winrate against Jangbi.

LOL i love you man... copper mouse

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Diglett
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
600 Posts
August 23 2011 04:36 GMT
#15
On August 23 2011 13:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 12:09 AlBundy wrote:
Actually Puma is Flash's step brother. When Flash became a progamer he said ''I won't go anywhere without my step brother Puma". I heard from a reliable source that Puma was so good, he taught Flash how to 14cc and also taught him how to micro vultures. Sure, he wasn't Flash's only practice partner but he was the best; he had 85% winrate against Flash (during practice).

In 2008 Puma was awarded the Copper Mouse, which is a trophy that you earn by helping players win at least 3 OSL/MSL. Then Puma became Jaedong's, Fantasy's, and Jangbi's practice partner. He used to play random sometimes and managed to keep a 75% winrate against jaedong and Fantasy, while maintaining a 99% winrate against Jangbi.

he's actually still practicing with flash as we speak while pursuing a sc2 career


actually flash chose puma as his successor while his wrist condition is still severe. puma is now representing flash in the osl and flash has predicted an easy sweep vs jangbi.
Gi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States30 Posts
August 23 2011 05:00 GMT
#16
On August 23 2011 13:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Also really hate how just about EVERYONE says this. Yes, we get it, one of artosis's 20 predictions actually came true and it only took like 5 years and now he's riding it out as far as he can whenever he can.


Don't worry I was making a joke not a point :D. I think Artosis is a little more accurate than 1 out of 20 though.
drgonzhere
Profile Joined November 2010
United States447 Posts
August 23 2011 16:58 GMT
#17
You're right guys PuMa is like seriously the worst player I've ever seen. LOLOLOL So bad. It's not like he'd ever beat MC in straight up macro games....


Oh wait...
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bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
August 23 2011 17:22 GMT
#18
On August 23 2011 12:09 AlBundy wrote:
Actually Puma is Flash's step brother. When Flash became a progamer he said ''I won't go anywhere without my step brother Puma". I heard from a reliable source that Puma was so good, he taught Flash how to 14cc and also taught him how to micro vultures. Sure, he wasn't Flash's only practice partner but he was the best; he had 85% winrate against Flash (during practice).

In 2008 Puma was awarded the Copper Mouse, which is a trophy that you earn by helping players win at least 3 OSL/MSL. Then Puma became Jaedong's, Fantasy's, and Jangbi's practice partner. He used to play random sometimes and managed to keep a 75% winrate against jaedong and Fantasy, while maintaining a 99% winrate against Jangbi.

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