EPTA few words on Stream Cheating. - Page 2
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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Unreg
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On August 21 2011 06:29 Chronopolis wrote: AFAIK on the internet, there is no corrrelation between age and maturity. EDIT: Is anyone knowledgeable about what delaying options are availible with the popular casting programs? Not only "on the internet", at any point in life there is no correlation between age and maturity. | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On August 21 2011 07:47 Probe1 wrote: "I like to be able to talk to my viewers in real time" is what I read for no delay Rekrul Yeah talking to your fan-boys in competitions is really the most important issue. Making sure you don't get cheated isn't that big of a deal yo... | ||
itsjustatank
Hong Kong9183 Posts
On August 21 2011 07:47 Probe1 wrote: "I like to be able to talk to my viewers in real time" is what I read for no delay Rekrul This shouldn't outweigh potentially being knocked out of tournaments because you are streaming with no delay. | ||
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Complete
United States1864 Posts
On August 21 2011 07:36 Darclite wrote: Let's say you knew there was a very good chance that someone would shoot you today. Let's say you had a button that made it impossible for someone to shoot you today. You didn't press the button. You got shot. Now, the person who shot you is bad. But why didn't you press the button? Now let us assume you got paid $50 for every day you didn't press the button. holy bad analogy dood. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Kibibit
United States1551 Posts
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Darclite
United States1021 Posts
On August 21 2011 07:59 Complete wrote: Now let us assume you got paid $50 for every day you didn't press the button. holy bad analogy dood. It doesn't have to be every day. Not even all the time in 1 day. But while you are in a tournament, why wouldn't you add a delay? Hell, if I was in a relatively large tournament I had a chance to win, I wouldn't stream at all. It would be $35 instead of $50 for that one day, but you'd have a better chance of winning the tournament. | ||
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AnxiousHippo
Australia1451 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On August 21 2011 07:53 Rekrul wrote: Yeah talking to your fan-boys in competitions is really the most important issue. Making sure you don't get cheated isn't that big of a deal yo... obviously except for dragon being a bit silly, most people only stream ladder games, since most leagues these days like to put some time into production they dont like the players streaming the league games anyway, so its not a big deal, unless people were planning on running some kind of event based on ladder rankings oh wait  | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
Should Dragon learn from this experience? Yes. Does this absolve the stream cheater from all blame? Hell no. It is his fault, 100%. There's absolutely no question about this, and his position is absolutely indefensible if he did, in fact, stream cheat (and there is apparently evidence that he did). Also, I wasn't aware that calling people who disagree with you on this subject "retarded" is the classy thing to do nowadays. | ||
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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
If there is obvious proof that someone stream cheats they should be outed as a cheater obviously. Making something easy doesn't make it right. I could never lock my house doors, if I get robbed its still a crime... a girl can dress slutty and hang around dark alleys, doesn't make raping her O.K. | ||
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KazeHydra
Japan2788 Posts
No doubt stream cheating exists. But just because your favorite player lost doesn't mean there was cheating involved. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On August 21 2011 07:34 starmeat_ wrote: Why do I get the feeling Pokebunny is trying to justify his bad (past?) habit of stream cheating. Stream cheating shouldn't be taken lightly, especially if ESPORTS wants to gain some sense of acceptability within soicety. "I think many stream watchers completely blow stream cheating out of proportion" This was a competitive match. If the match is important to you, don't stream it in a way that is easy to cheat off of (no delay, completely live.) While it isn't right to do, every streamer takes the risk and they KNOW that it is possible. As I said, I'm not trying to excuse anyone who is proven 100% to stream cheat. But throwing blame at something that is impossible to proof is kind of silly, so it's best to just avoid the situation by streaming with delay when you are worried about these things. I'm just gonna ignore the first line of your post, because that's pretty ridiculous. I stream plenty of tournament games live just for fun because I am taking that risk to enjoy my games with fans. | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9016 Posts
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SageFantasma
United States383 Posts
On August 21 2011 09:11 ShaperofDreams wrote: That doesn't make any sense, you could say the same as "oh when you ladder you knowingly take the risk that someone map-hacks, therefore you shouldn't complain if it happens". If there is obvious proof that someone stream cheats they should be outed as a cheater obviously. Making something easy doesn't make it right. I could never lock my house doors, if I get robbed its still a crime... a girl can dress slutty and hang around dark alleys, doesn't make raping her O.K. I don't think you are understanding the argument at hand here. Not to mention your analogies quite off. I haven't seen a post that said "Stream cheating isn't bad at all, it's 100% legit!". If you misconstrued something someone said to that, oh well. But the argument here is that by streaming without delay, you should expect to be stream-cheated from time to time. That isn't saying that stream-cheating is OK, but rather that it is your own fault. If you are worried about stream-cheaters, then use a delay if your ladder points are that important to you. Streaming a tournament without a delay(I would go so far as to say that streaming a tournament from your perspective period) is simply ASKING for it. Money is on the line, and people will do what they can to better their chances of acquiring that money. If that means stream-cheating, then so be it. It will happen. | ||
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SiN]
United States540 Posts
then again, i can't tell very far. | ||
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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
I don't think you are understanding the argument at hand here. Not to mention your analogies quite off. I haven't seen a post that said "Stream cheating isn't bad at all, it's 100% legit!". If you misconstrued something someone said to that, oh well. But the argument here is that by streaming without delay, you should expect to be stream-cheated from time to time. That isn't saying that stream-cheating is OK, but rather that it is your own fault. If you are worried about stream-cheaters, then use a delay if your ladder points are that important to you. Streaming a tournament without a delay(I would go so far as to say that streaming a tournament from your perspective period) is simply ASKING for it. Money is on the line, and people will do what they can to better their chances of acquiring that money. If that means stream-cheating, then so be it. It will happen. talking about fault is stupid/pointless. its all about what is acceptable or not in a community, and what standards members of the community want. i'd ideally want TL to be a place of great respect and consideration. therefore i think its perfectly acceptable for people who stream-cheat to be called out about it to a certain extent. | ||
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MrArchy
United States6 Posts
On August 21 2011 07:36 Darclite wrote: Let's say you knew there was a very good chance that someone would shoot you today. Let's say you had a button that made it impossible for someone to shoot you today. You didn't press the button. You got shot. Now, the person who shot you is bad. But why didn't you press the button? And the person who shot you would be charged with murder and punished. Your analogy is flawed. | ||
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