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So after recent drama of some guy apparently stream cheating vs Dragon as well as quite a few people asking me "does your stream have delay? how do you know he's not cheating?" I wanted to give my opinion as a streamer on stream cheating.
Every streamer KNOWS that there is a risk in running a stream with no delay. You are accepting the possibility that your opponent will cheat, and you will not know nor be able to do anything about it. In a perfect world we would rely on trust completely, so you either have to stream delayed or take that risk if you want to stream. Personally, I enjoy streaming and trust the high level community not to do such things, but I accept that it can happen. I'm willing to take that risk.
I think many stream watchers completely blow stream cheating out of proportion. I'm sure it happens more often than we know about, and often people are accused falsely simply because there's no way to prove it. Sometimes I do jump into my next opponent's stream before we play, and occasionally I'll forget to close the internet tab when I tab back into game (stream is muted ofc). Might you see my name in the viewer list? Sure, maybe, and you can bitch at me all you watch for stupidity if people accuse me of doing anything. Overall, I don't think stream cheating should be taken so harshly - every streamer is offering their opponent the opportunity to cheat if he really wants to by live streaming his games. If you don't like it, then delay your stream or don't stream games you actually care about. You will never have 100% evidence, so calling out people just because they MAY have stream cheated is honestly just a waste of time and I think it's disgusting that people are calling for bans just because someone could have possibly stream cheated. What if he didn't? Even if he did, it is in part the streamer's fault as well for offering that opportunity. Every game I stream I trust that my opponent won't do it, but I know that it is possible, yet I stream anyway. Whatever! It's all blown so far out of proportion.
 
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Yeah, I agree with you. Of course nobody wants stream cheating to happen, but it is his own risk if someone wants to stream his or her games. I don't want TL to become like reddit where every small incident becomes a witch hunt (see this TL open).
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Ya no bans for sure; no way to prove it anyhow.
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All the idiots who were trying to start a witch hunt...
are less mature than a 15 year old.
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Honestly it's too easy to delay your stream when playing scheduled matches (like a qualifier or TLOpen) to prevent stream cheating and if it's your cup of tea then have completely live streams when you're just laddering and an opponent doesn't know he'll be playing you until the game is loading up.
Stream cheaters suck but there are viable options to protect yourself -_-
(Agree with Pokebunny on all points)
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On August 21 2011 06:21 iamke55 wrote:
All the idiots who were trying to start a witch hunt...
are less mature than a 15 year old.
BUT I'M 16 NOW
... DDDD:
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On August 21 2011 06:27 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 06:21 iamke55 wrote:
All the idiots who were trying to start a witch hunt...
are less mature than a 15 year old. BUT I'M 16 NOW ... DDDD:
AFAIK on the internet, there is no corrrelation between age and maturity.
EDIT: Is anyone knowledgeable about what delaying options are availible with the popular casting programs?
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I know there's a way to do it with justin.tv but I never looked into it because I don't care. JTV has sent us emails about the feature though.
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On August 21 2011 06:21 iamke55 wrote:
All the idiots who were trying to start a witch hunt...
are less mature than a 15 year old.
WITCH HUNT!!!!!!!!!
Kidding. 
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Amen, my brother. Well said Poke.
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I like your writing style.
You make an excellent point here, maturely and eloquently. If you're willing to take the risk, then you should expect to be taken advantage of.
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If you're as popular as Dragon is, streaming these tournaments is very +EV, your chance to win or place in the money only goes down a little (since not everyone stream cheats and stream cheating is no guarantee of a win), and you make a lot of money from ads.
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While I agree that a witchhunt never helped anyone, stream cheaters when caught need to be banned. Especially since streaming has become so popular, we need to set a strong precedent so future cases are resolved in a similar manner. Stream cheating is still cheating.
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This takes me back to when the Cruncher and Idra drama was occurring. The only difference this time around, is that there seems to be "stronger" evidence against Stealthypoo. Now while I can't state whether or not he is innocent or guilty, the large issue I have pertaining to this topic is the heavy blame put onto the streamer. The idea of "it was the streamer's fault for streaming during a tournament etc. etc." is rather ridiculous in my opinion in terms of how much of the fault is being put on Dragon. How would you feel if I went forth to say "Hey, if you don't want to get raped, dress a little less slutty" or something along those lines. Rather ridiculous right? But, with that I do hope Dragon treats this as a learning experience but also I do hope officials go forth to look into it, because if I recall correctly it's completely against the rules to have a stream open/receive outside messages from others pertaining to the match.
EDIT:I failed at english
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On August 21 2011 06:21 iamke55 wrote:
All the idiots who were trying to start a witch hunt...
are less mature than a 15 year old.
Not at all, the OP is nothing more then one big rationalisation of cheating - being 'reasonable' by dismissing the essential ethical aspects of the Dragon situation is not 'mature' in anyway.
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On August 21 2011 06:57 Darclite wrote:
I like your writing style.
You make an excellent point here, maturely and eloquently. If you're willing to take the risk, then you should expect to be taken advantage of.
Absolute nonsense. Anyone who streams and then gets stream cheated can't complain? What kind of moraless world do you and the OP live in?
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Just because it could have been prevented it's somehow not as wrong? Dude...
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Why do I get the feeling Pokebunny is trying to justify his bad (past?) habit of stream cheating.
Stream cheating shouldn't be taken lightly, especially if ESPORTS wants to gain some sense of acceptability within soicety.
"I think many stream watchers completely blow stream cheating out of proportion"
This was a competitive match.
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Let's say you knew there was a very good chance that someone would shoot you today.
Let's say you had a button that made it impossible for someone to shoot you today.
You didn't press the button. You got shot.
Now, the person who shot you is bad. But why didn't you press the button?
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