• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:26
CEST 19:26
KST 02:26
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments0[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence10Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon9[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12
Community News
BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch0Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups4WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia8Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues29
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around
Brood War
General
Soulkey on ASL S20 BW General Discussion ASL20 General Discussion ASL TICKET LIVE help! :D NaDa's Body
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group D [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Ro16 Group C BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Borderlands 3 Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
i'm really bored guys
Peanutsc
I <=> 9
KrillinFromwales
The Personality of a Spender…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2530 users

Droning On #7: Drawing a Blank

Blogs > Umpteen
Post a Reply
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-15 15:03:40
August 15 2011 14:26 GMT
#1
The theme of today's installment is 'Not Knowing What To Do And Fucking It Up When I Try'.

ZvT on Nazarim Crypt

Me: 12p/18h
Him: Hellion harrass into BF drops into expand.

I denied the hellion harrassment and blue flame drops with a small number of roaches and a couple of spinecrawlers, losing virtually nothing. At this point I felt ahead, but was unsure what to do next. Then I remembered from a previous episode of Droning On that I wanted to try teching quickly to Hive after a Hellion opening, the better to counter a mech-heavy followup.
Good play: I took my third and spread creep and overlords well, especially between my main and natural in anticipation of needing to deal with drops.
Mistake:I spent too much on mutalisks, which weren't able to achieve anything against his heavily turreted bases and weakened my army. This was sheer force of habit more than anything: get spire => build mutalisks.
Fatal Mistake:I clicked the wrong button and started the second air attack upgrade rather than Greater Spire when my Hive finished. As a result, I had some corruptors but no broodlords when his Thor/Tank/Marauder/Hellion push arrived, and the end came shortly thereafter.

Specific Lessons Learned:

I'll definitely try the fast hive again next time; if it had been executed properly I think it would have made a big difference.

Check whether he's prepared for mutalisks before investing in them, especially against a player who's likely to be meching. I don't need to do economic damage if he's spent 1000 minerals on useless turrets.

ZvP on Abyssal Caverns

Me: 12p/18h
Him: 3 gate expand

I found his base in close air positions and scouted chronoboost on his nexus, which I interpreted as heralding some kind of economic play. However, I lacked the courage of my convictions and over-invested in a roach warren and spinecrawlers. I then compounded this mistake by failing to check for an expansion until it was too late, making units to hold off an imaginary 4-gate in the meantime. I tried to recover by taking a third and droning extra hard but it was too little, too late and his two-base stalker/colossus army simply blew through me before I could muster any kind of resistance.

Specific Lessons Learned:

I'm pleased that I interpreted the layout of his base and use of chronoboost correctly. Had I not second-guessed myself, I could have droned and then crushed him with 2-base roach/ling or hydra drops.

ZvT on Typhon

Me: 12p/18h
Him: Marine/Tank expand.

This was a game of endless missed opportunities. I took a commanding 3-base-to-2 economic lead early on but failed to capitalise on it. I could have slaughtered his entire 2-base army while he was trying to get a third up, but instead allowed him to construct a third and a fourth turreted planetary fortress while I faffed about making Infestors to try for a cute mineral-line play. I took out his natural with Broodlords but didn't support them. I destroyed his entire army, but failed to defend my own expansions from his Viking strike force and so ended up behind. I don't think I've ever worked quite so hard to throw a game away, and it left quite a sour taste in my mouth.

The State of the Brain

As I feared, gradual improvements to my macro are allowing me to showcase my utter lack of a gameplan and general inability to close out games. After a point my mind goes completely blank, and I start making terrible decisions - or no decisions at all. I'm locked into the mindset of having to react, react, react, parrying each attack without ever getting a step ahead or setting myself up for a decent, planned counter. Fast-teching versus hellions is (I think) a step in the right direction, but I definitely need to make more decisions like that outside the game, so that I can quickly execute a response to the situations I find myself in - a response that gives me the initiative.

Thanks for reading.

EDIT:

Just lost another ZvT because of poor decision-making. Eight losses in a row now, heading back down the silver league table.

I scouted him trying taking a third on Backwater Gulch and moved to deny with my ling/bling/roach force, but lost everything because I attacked from a bad angle and then, instead of retreating and taking minimal losses or countering his main with speedlings while he defended his third, moved around and attacked from an even worse angle. Then I misclicked on a 'unit finished' icon that popped up while I was trying to catch a drop, and lost all my mutalisks while trying to figure out why I was suddenly looking at my base.


The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
Sotamursu
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland612 Posts
August 15 2011 15:11 GMT
#2
I used to have the same problems as you did, though I play Terran and not Zerg. I wasn't really sure what to do when I had a lead or what to attack and how. I got over it by making simple game plans outside the game. Like for TvZ where my main goal is to just try and deny the Zergs third. Yours could be defend and expand until hive, then attack. You also have to be really decisive when you engage, since losing momentum will make your army take too much siege tank fire. Better decision making and plans got me from diamond to masters.

Something you might want to try against Terrans is counter-attacking with a handful of lings. Keep like 8 or 10 lings near the Terrans base. Especially on maps like Typhon peaks, it's really easy to do that. That might help you with developing a mindset for counters.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 16h 34m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
UpATreeSC 209
JuggernautJason130
ProTech91
Codebar 36
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 25389
Horang2 1794
Bisu 1599
EffOrt 661
Mini 409
Hyuk 292
Larva 208
Soulkey 112
hero 97
Rush 90
[ Show more ]
ggaemo 88
Hyun 38
Aegong 34
ToSsGirL 26
Yoon 21
scan(afreeca) 16
Sexy 8
IntoTheRainbow 8
sas.Sziky 1
Dota 2
Gorgc7450
qojqva3443
XcaliburYe169
Fuzer 46
League of Legends
Trikslyr61
Counter-Strike
ScreaM1097
fl0m893
Other Games
gofns22858
tarik_tv21410
FrodaN1298
Beastyqt549
Lowko329
RotterdaM261
Hui .236
ArmadaUGS123
C9.Mang075
QueenE57
mouzStarbuck40
NeuroSwarm30
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Reevou 1
• intothetv
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki6
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2451
• WagamamaTV475
League of Legends
• Nemesis3878
• TFBlade666
Other Games
• imaqtpie274
• Shiphtur215
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
16h 34m
Zoun vs Classic
Map Test Tournament
17h 34m
Korean StarCraft League
1d 9h
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
1d 14h
RSL Revival
1d 16h
Reynor vs Cure
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Online Event
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
LiuLi Cup
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-10
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL World Championship of Poland 2025
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.