• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:08
CEST 05:08
KST 12:08
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 20266Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)10[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June4Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0
StarCraft 2
General
TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 2026 Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners High level ptr replays? where can I find them?
Tourneys
Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) GSL Code S Season 2 (2026)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 530 One For All The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected
Brood War
General
Where is EffOrt? BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread PC Games Sales Thread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
UK Politics Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Does Workplace Frustration D…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8276 users

Droning On #7: Drawing a Blank

Blogs > Umpteen
Post a Reply
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-15 15:03:40
August 15 2011 14:26 GMT
#1
The theme of today's installment is 'Not Knowing What To Do And Fucking It Up When I Try'.

ZvT on Nazarim Crypt

Me: 12p/18h
Him: Hellion harrass into BF drops into expand.

I denied the hellion harrassment and blue flame drops with a small number of roaches and a couple of spinecrawlers, losing virtually nothing. At this point I felt ahead, but was unsure what to do next. Then I remembered from a previous episode of Droning On that I wanted to try teching quickly to Hive after a Hellion opening, the better to counter a mech-heavy followup.
Good play: I took my third and spread creep and overlords well, especially between my main and natural in anticipation of needing to deal with drops.
Mistake:I spent too much on mutalisks, which weren't able to achieve anything against his heavily turreted bases and weakened my army. This was sheer force of habit more than anything: get spire => build mutalisks.
Fatal Mistake:I clicked the wrong button and started the second air attack upgrade rather than Greater Spire when my Hive finished. As a result, I had some corruptors but no broodlords when his Thor/Tank/Marauder/Hellion push arrived, and the end came shortly thereafter.

Specific Lessons Learned:

I'll definitely try the fast hive again next time; if it had been executed properly I think it would have made a big difference.

Check whether he's prepared for mutalisks before investing in them, especially against a player who's likely to be meching. I don't need to do economic damage if he's spent 1000 minerals on useless turrets.

ZvP on Abyssal Caverns

Me: 12p/18h
Him: 3 gate expand

I found his base in close air positions and scouted chronoboost on his nexus, which I interpreted as heralding some kind of economic play. However, I lacked the courage of my convictions and over-invested in a roach warren and spinecrawlers. I then compounded this mistake by failing to check for an expansion until it was too late, making units to hold off an imaginary 4-gate in the meantime. I tried to recover by taking a third and droning extra hard but it was too little, too late and his two-base stalker/colossus army simply blew through me before I could muster any kind of resistance.

Specific Lessons Learned:

I'm pleased that I interpreted the layout of his base and use of chronoboost correctly. Had I not second-guessed myself, I could have droned and then crushed him with 2-base roach/ling or hydra drops.

ZvT on Typhon

Me: 12p/18h
Him: Marine/Tank expand.

This was a game of endless missed opportunities. I took a commanding 3-base-to-2 economic lead early on but failed to capitalise on it. I could have slaughtered his entire 2-base army while he was trying to get a third up, but instead allowed him to construct a third and a fourth turreted planetary fortress while I faffed about making Infestors to try for a cute mineral-line play. I took out his natural with Broodlords but didn't support them. I destroyed his entire army, but failed to defend my own expansions from his Viking strike force and so ended up behind. I don't think I've ever worked quite so hard to throw a game away, and it left quite a sour taste in my mouth.

The State of the Brain

As I feared, gradual improvements to my macro are allowing me to showcase my utter lack of a gameplan and general inability to close out games. After a point my mind goes completely blank, and I start making terrible decisions - or no decisions at all. I'm locked into the mindset of having to react, react, react, parrying each attack without ever getting a step ahead or setting myself up for a decent, planned counter. Fast-teching versus hellions is (I think) a step in the right direction, but I definitely need to make more decisions like that outside the game, so that I can quickly execute a response to the situations I find myself in - a response that gives me the initiative.

Thanks for reading.

EDIT:

Just lost another ZvT because of poor decision-making. Eight losses in a row now, heading back down the silver league table.

I scouted him trying taking a third on Backwater Gulch and moved to deny with my ling/bling/roach force, but lost everything because I attacked from a bad angle and then, instead of retreating and taking minimal losses or countering his main with speedlings while he defended his third, moved around and attacked from an even worse angle. Then I misclicked on a 'unit finished' icon that popped up while I was trying to catch a drop, and lost all my mutalisks while trying to figure out why I was suddenly looking at my base.


The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
Sotamursu
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland612 Posts
August 15 2011 15:11 GMT
#2
I used to have the same problems as you did, though I play Terran and not Zerg. I wasn't really sure what to do when I had a lead or what to attack and how. I got over it by making simple game plans outside the game. Like for TvZ where my main goal is to just try and deny the Zergs third. Yours could be defend and expand until hive, then attack. You also have to be really decisive when you engage, since losing momentum will make your army take too much siege tank fire. Better decision making and plans got me from diamond to masters.

Something you might want to try against Terrans is counter-attacking with a handful of lings. Keep like 8 or 10 lings near the Terrans base. Especially on maps like Typhon peaks, it's really easy to do that. That might help you with developing a mindset for counters.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
00:00
Mid Season Playoffs
ByuN vs Shameless
CranKy Ducklings137
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 169
ProTech91
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 4559
GuemChi 3638
Sea 348
Mind 120
Sexy 41
Noble 19
Terrorterran 9
Dota 2
monkeys_forever682
NeuroSwarm137
League of Legends
JimRising 705
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox570
Other Games
summit1g10880
Day[9].tv1019
C9.Mang0580
WinterStarcraft399
PiGStarcraft329
FrodaN235
Maynarde117
Trikslyr114
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick877
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 17
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP53
• davetesta15
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush785
• Lourlo599
Other Games
• Day9tv1019
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
20h 52m
Replay Cast
1d 5h
The PondCast
2 days
OSC
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
GSL
4 days
Maru vs ShoWTimE
Classic vs Reynor
herO vs Lambo
Solar vs Clem
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
4 days
XuanXuan vs Jaystar
Mihu vs Messiah
eOnzErG vs Dewalt
Bonyth vs Jaystar
TerrOr vs Messiah
XuanXuan vs Mihu
eOnzErG vs Jaystar
Replay Cast
4 days
GSL
5 days
Patches Events
5 days
[ Show More ]
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
5 days
Dewalt vs Messiah
Bonyth vs Mihu
TerrOr vs XuanXuan
eOnzErG vs Messiah
Jaystar vs Mihu
Dewalt vs XuanXuan
Bonyth vs TerrOr
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-06-15
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
Murky Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
BCC 2026
Heroes Pulsing #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.