Totally agree on "not only starcraft is esports", been playing cs for years myself. But... alot of people have been showing some love towards EVO for example as well I've seen links to the evo stream or something during the Anaheim weekend all the time from starcraft people. And LoL has been getting a fair share of attention as well, it's even implemented in the stream thingy. (the [BW][SC2][Misc][LoL] part)
So even on TL (a Starcraft site ... !!!! Oo) we appreciate these competetive games and basically support them/their communities to some extent. Not everyone no, but after all this is a site for sc first so you can't complain about people talking about sc most of the time.
edit: just remembered the jason lake interview, I do have to say that there seem to be alot of people who forget where ESPORTS started I guess. But I'm not in a position to really talk about that too much.
On August 10 2011 08:38 Xenocide_Knight wrote: I assume you mean sc2, you should specify that. Brood war = only real esport. SC2 = joke
Some serious elitism going on in the blog forums, if someone wrote the opposite of this they'd prob ably get warned by a mod, or atleast called out by tons of people, but i suppose starcraft 2 players are just used to this kind of random bashing.
On August 10 2011 08:38 Xenocide_Knight wrote: I assume you mean sc2, you should specify that. Brood war = only real esport. SC2 = joke
Some serious elitism going on in the blog forums, if someone wrote the opposite of this they'd prob ably get warned by a mod, or atleast called out by tons of people, but i suppose starcraft 2 players are just used to this kind of random bashing.
On August 10 2011 08:38 Xenocide_Knight wrote: I assume you mean sc2, you should specify that. Brood war = only real esport. SC2 = joke
Some serious elitism going on in the blog forums, if someone wrote the opposite of this they'd prob ably get warned by a mod, or atleast called out by tons of people, but i suppose starcraft 2 players are just used to this kind of random bashing.
Its not bashing. Its the reality.
-.- It is most definitely a biased statement. I'm a BW guy too but that original statement is ridiculous. Right now SC2 is the head of esports in the competitive, global sense, so they've sort of become synonymous for the time being.
On August 10 2011 14:11 travis wrote: I actually don't even like arguing about what game takes "more skill" because in competitive gaming, how much skill it takes to win is based mostly on how tough the competition is.
This for fucking days. Football requires very little skill to play, but it is the hardest sport on the planet to become the best at, purely because the competition is insanely high. Anyway, I wanna see FPVODs of AoE or AoM (I love me some mythology!).
On August 10 2011 08:38 Xenocide_Knight wrote: I assume you mean sc2, you should specify that. Brood war = only real esport. SC2 = joke
Some serious elitism going on in the blog forums, if someone wrote the opposite of this they'd prob ably get warned by a mod, or atleast called out by tons of people, but i suppose starcraft 2 players are just used to this kind of random bashing.
Its not bashing. Its the reality.
-.- It is most definitely a biased statement. I'm a BW guy too but that original statement is ridiculous. Right now SC2 is the head of esports in the competitive, global sense, so they've sort of become synonymous for the time being.
Well, it depends on the viewpoint. SC2 was claimed to be an ESPORT long before it was released. I dont buy that.I think that in order for game to be ESPORT at least the game has to be balanced. The talk about imbalance is forbiden on this site,but for me this is very objective criteria of a game is good for ESPORT or not. SC2 is highly unbalanced game ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252870 ) although its more than a year old, bunch of patches and bazzilion tournaments later.
On August 10 2011 08:38 Xenocide_Knight wrote: I assume you mean sc2, you should specify that. Brood war = only real esport. SC2 = joke
Some serious elitism going on in the blog forums, if someone wrote the opposite of this they'd prob ably get warned by a mod, or atleast called out by tons of people, but i suppose starcraft 2 players are just used to this kind of random bashing.
Its not bashing. Its the reality.
-.- It is most definitely a biased statement. I'm a BW guy too but that original statement is ridiculous. Right now SC2 is the head of esports in the competitive, global sense, so they've sort of become synonymous for the time being.
Well, it depends on the viewpoint. SC2 was claimed to be an ESPORT long before it was released. I dont buy that.I think that in order for game to be ESPORT at least the game has to be balanced. The talk about imbalance is forbiden on this site,but for me this is very objective criteria of a game is good for ESPORT or not. SC2 is highly unbalanced game ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252870 ) although its more than a year old, bunch of patches and bazzilion tournaments later.
The only requirement for an esport is for there to be people who watch the game...nothing in the actual content of the game is absolute direct criterion for whether or not it is an esport. If the game is fun to watch (i.e. balanced, high skill ceiling), then those things will show up naturally through viewership. If it isn't then no one will watch or play it.
So regardless of what you think about the game, it doesn't matter.
On August 10 2011 08:38 Xenocide_Knight wrote: I assume you mean sc2, you should specify that. Brood war = only real esport. SC2 = joke
Some serious elitism going on in the blog forums, if someone wrote the opposite of this they'd prob ably get warned by a mod, or atleast called out by tons of people, but i suppose starcraft 2 players are just used to this kind of random bashing.
Its not bashing. Its the reality.
-.- It is most definitely a biased statement. I'm a BW guy too but that original statement is ridiculous. Right now SC2 is the head of esports in the competitive, global sense, so they've sort of become synonymous for the time being.
Well, it depends on the viewpoint. SC2 was claimed to be an ESPORT long before it was released.
They did design the game to be competetive enough for solid eSports. "The game" wasn't claim anything.
Also, we should stop discussing "BW = awesome, SC2 = shit" and vice versa. It makes no sense. NO.SENSE.
QuakeWorld is the hardest game to get good at. Nothing comes close in terms of speed, acrobatic control, aiming speed.
But really, game being hard doesnt matter. The point is to have the popularity, that is what esports is about, and so far BW has been the only game on the planet to achieve a real life popularity - that is having an industry in real life, not just e-transactions and virtual goods.
On August 10 2011 08:38 Xenocide_Knight wrote: I assume you mean sc2, you should specify that. Brood war = only real esport. SC2 = joke
Some serious elitism going on in the blog forums, if someone wrote the opposite of this they'd prob ably get warned by a mod, or atleast called out by tons of people, but i suppose starcraft 2 players are just used to this kind of random bashing.
Its not bashing. Its the reality.
-.- It is most definitely a biased statement. I'm a BW guy too but that original statement is ridiculous. Right now SC2 is the head of esports in the competitive, global sense, so they've sort of become synonymous for the time being.
Fair enough. In terms of viewership, revenue, and popularity, sc2 is probably more of an esport than BW is. It's just ridiculous that sc2 players seem to have the gall to bash other games (AoE, LoL, WC, CnC, etc) when the reality is, if their game didn't have the word "starcraft" in the title, it would literally just be another thread in the sports and games section. Maybe a subforum if it got really popular.
On August 10 2011 08:38 Xenocide_Knight wrote: I assume you mean sc2, you should specify that. Brood war = only real esport. SC2 = joke
Some serious elitism going on in the blog forums, if someone wrote the opposite of this they'd prob ably get warned by a mod, or atleast called out by tons of people, but i suppose starcraft 2 players are just used to this kind of random bashing.
Its not bashing. Its the reality.
-.- It is most definitely a biased statement. I'm a BW guy too but that original statement is ridiculous. Right now SC2 is the head of esports in the competitive, global sense, so they've sort of become synonymous for the time being.
Fair enough. In terms of viewership, revenue, and popularity, sc2 is probably more of an esport than BW is. It's just ridiculous that sc2 players seem to have the gall to bash other games (AoE, LoL, WC, CnC, etc) when the reality is, if their game didn't have the word "starcraft" in the title, it would literally just be another thread in the sports and games section. Maybe a subforum if it got really popular.
Uhh, not really. There is the elephant in the room. SC2 is a success of a solid scale, but there exists the mammoth whose results have dwarfed all other candidates for esports popularity. Lol.
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