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onlinerobbe
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany547 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 10:03:23
August 10 2011 10:01 GMT
#61
Totally agree on "not only starcraft is esports", been playing cs for years myself.
But... alot of people have been showing some love towards EVO for example as well
I've seen links to the evo stream or something during the Anaheim weekend all the time from
starcraft people.
And LoL has been getting a fair share of attention as well, it's even implemented in the stream
thingy. (the [BW][SC2][Misc][LoL] part)

So even on TL (a Starcraft site ... !!!! Oo) we appreciate these competetive games and basically support them/their communities to some extent.
Not everyone no, but after all this is a site for sc first so you can't complain about people talking about
sc most of the time.

edit: just remembered the jason lake interview, I do have to say that there seem to be alot of
people who forget where ESPORTS started I guess. But I'm not in a position to really talk about that too much.
ohayo- on afk-op teamliquid | tuturuuuu! mayushi desu - 유인나, 이지은 사랑 (멍 지효 <3 )
Bagonad
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark173 Posts
August 10 2011 10:30 GMT
#62
On August 10 2011 08:38 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
I assume you mean sc2, you should specify that.
Brood war = only real esport.
SC2 = joke


Some serious elitism going on in the blog forums, if someone wrote the opposite of this they'd prob ably get warned by a mod, or atleast called out by tons of people, but i suppose starcraft 2 players are just used to this kind of random bashing.
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
August 10 2011 10:43 GMT
#63
On August 10 2011 19:30 Bagonad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 08:38 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
I assume you mean sc2, you should specify that.
Brood war = only real esport.
SC2 = joke


Some serious elitism going on in the blog forums, if someone wrote the opposite of this they'd prob ably get warned by a mod, or atleast called out by tons of people, but i suppose starcraft 2 players are just used to this kind of random bashing.


Its not bashing. Its the reality.
ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
August 10 2011 11:46 GMT
#64
On August 10 2011 19:43 mdb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 19:30 Bagonad wrote:
On August 10 2011 08:38 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
I assume you mean sc2, you should specify that.
Brood war = only real esport.
SC2 = joke


Some serious elitism going on in the blog forums, if someone wrote the opposite of this they'd prob ably get warned by a mod, or atleast called out by tons of people, but i suppose starcraft 2 players are just used to this kind of random bashing.


Its not bashing. Its the reality.


-.- It is most definitely a biased statement. I'm a BW guy too but that original statement is ridiculous. Right now SC2 is the head of esports in the competitive, global sense, so they've sort of become synonymous for the time being.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
August 10 2011 11:49 GMT
#65
On August 10 2011 14:11 travis wrote:
I actually don't even like arguing about what game takes "more skill" because in competitive gaming, how much skill it takes to win is based mostly on how tough the competition is.

This for fucking days. Football requires very little skill to play, but it is the hardest sport on the planet to become the best at, purely because the competition is insanely high.
Anyway, I wanna see FPVODs of AoE or AoM (I love me some mythology!).
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 12:01:23
August 10 2011 12:00 GMT
#66
On August 10 2011 20:46 ketomai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 19:43 mdb wrote:
On August 10 2011 19:30 Bagonad wrote:
On August 10 2011 08:38 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
I assume you mean sc2, you should specify that.
Brood war = only real esport.
SC2 = joke


Some serious elitism going on in the blog forums, if someone wrote the opposite of this they'd prob ably get warned by a mod, or atleast called out by tons of people, but i suppose starcraft 2 players are just used to this kind of random bashing.


Its not bashing. Its the reality.


-.- It is most definitely a biased statement. I'm a BW guy too but that original statement is ridiculous. Right now SC2 is the head of esports in the competitive, global sense, so they've sort of become synonymous for the time being.


Well, it depends on the viewpoint. SC2 was claimed to be an ESPORT long before it was released. I dont buy that.I think that in order for game to be ESPORT at least the game has to be balanced. The talk about imbalance is forbiden on this site,but for me this is very objective criteria of a game is good for ESPORT or not. SC2 is highly unbalanced game ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252870 ) although its more than a year old, bunch of patches and bazzilion tournaments later.
ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 12:40:31
August 10 2011 12:08 GMT
#67
On August 10 2011 21:00 mdb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 20:46 ketomai wrote:
On August 10 2011 19:43 mdb wrote:
On August 10 2011 19:30 Bagonad wrote:
On August 10 2011 08:38 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
I assume you mean sc2, you should specify that.
Brood war = only real esport.
SC2 = joke


Some serious elitism going on in the blog forums, if someone wrote the opposite of this they'd prob ably get warned by a mod, or atleast called out by tons of people, but i suppose starcraft 2 players are just used to this kind of random bashing.


Its not bashing. Its the reality.


-.- It is most definitely a biased statement. I'm a BW guy too but that original statement is ridiculous. Right now SC2 is the head of esports in the competitive, global sense, so they've sort of become synonymous for the time being.


Well, it depends on the viewpoint. SC2 was claimed to be an ESPORT long before it was released. I dont buy that.I think that in order for game to be ESPORT at least the game has to be balanced. The talk about imbalance is forbiden on this site,but for me this is very objective criteria of a game is good for ESPORT or not. SC2 is highly unbalanced game ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252870 ) although its more than a year old, bunch of patches and bazzilion tournaments later.


The only requirement for an esport is for there to be people who watch the game...nothing in the actual content of the game is absolute direct criterion for whether or not it is an esport. If the game is fun to watch (i.e. balanced, high skill ceiling), then those things will show up naturally through viewership. If it isn't then no one will watch or play it.

So regardless of what you think about the game, it doesn't matter.
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 12:43:53
August 10 2011 12:31 GMT
#68
On August 10 2011 21:00 mdb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 20:46 ketomai wrote:
On August 10 2011 19:43 mdb wrote:
On August 10 2011 19:30 Bagonad wrote:
On August 10 2011 08:38 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
I assume you mean sc2, you should specify that.
Brood war = only real esport.
SC2 = joke


Some serious elitism going on in the blog forums, if someone wrote the opposite of this they'd prob ably get warned by a mod, or atleast called out by tons of people, but i suppose starcraft 2 players are just used to this kind of random bashing.


Its not bashing. Its the reality.


-.- It is most definitely a biased statement. I'm a BW guy too but that original statement is ridiculous. Right now SC2 is the head of esports in the competitive, global sense, so they've sort of become synonymous for the time being.


Well, it depends on the viewpoint. SC2 was claimed to be an ESPORT long before it was released.

They did design the game to be competetive enough for solid eSports.
"The game" wasn't claim anything.

Also, we should stop discussing "BW = awesome, SC2 = shit" and vice versa. It makes no sense.
NO.SENSE.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
August 10 2011 12:45 GMT
#69
ow /popcorn

There are alot of people on these forums who seem to think SC2 is the only E-sport tho, I see them bashing MOBA's and shit all the time.
WriterXiao8~~
xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
August 10 2011 14:14 GMT
#70
QuakeWorld is the hardest game to get good at. Nothing comes close in terms of speed, acrobatic control, aiming speed.

But really, game being hard doesnt matter. The point is to have the popularity, that is what esports is about, and so far BW has been the only game on the planet to achieve a real life popularity - that is having an industry in real life, not just e-transactions and virtual goods.
Aah thats the stuff..
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
August 10 2011 14:32 GMT
#71
On August 10 2011 20:46 ketomai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 19:43 mdb wrote:
On August 10 2011 19:30 Bagonad wrote:
On August 10 2011 08:38 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
I assume you mean sc2, you should specify that.
Brood war = only real esport.
SC2 = joke


Some serious elitism going on in the blog forums, if someone wrote the opposite of this they'd prob ably get warned by a mod, or atleast called out by tons of people, but i suppose starcraft 2 players are just used to this kind of random bashing.


Its not bashing. Its the reality.


-.- It is most definitely a biased statement. I'm a BW guy too but that original statement is ridiculous. Right now SC2 is the head of esports in the competitive, global sense, so they've sort of become synonymous for the time being.


Fair enough. In terms of viewership, revenue, and popularity, sc2 is probably more of an esport than BW is. It's just ridiculous that sc2 players seem to have the gall to bash other games (AoE, LoL, WC, CnC, etc) when the reality is, if their game didn't have the word "starcraft" in the title, it would literally just be another thread in the sports and games section. Maybe a subforum if it got really popular.

Shine[Kal] #1 fan
xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
August 10 2011 14:57 GMT
#72
On August 10 2011 23:32 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 20:46 ketomai wrote:
On August 10 2011 19:43 mdb wrote:
On August 10 2011 19:30 Bagonad wrote:
On August 10 2011 08:38 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
I assume you mean sc2, you should specify that.
Brood war = only real esport.
SC2 = joke


Some serious elitism going on in the blog forums, if someone wrote the opposite of this they'd prob ably get warned by a mod, or atleast called out by tons of people, but i suppose starcraft 2 players are just used to this kind of random bashing.


Its not bashing. Its the reality.


-.- It is most definitely a biased statement. I'm a BW guy too but that original statement is ridiculous. Right now SC2 is the head of esports in the competitive, global sense, so they've sort of become synonymous for the time being.


Fair enough. In terms of viewership, revenue, and popularity, sc2 is probably more of an esport than BW is. It's just ridiculous that sc2 players seem to have the gall to bash other games (AoE, LoL, WC, CnC, etc) when the reality is, if their game didn't have the word "starcraft" in the title, it would literally just be another thread in the sports and games section. Maybe a subforum if it got really popular.

Uhh, not really. There is the elephant in the room. SC2 is a success of a solid scale, but there exists the mammoth whose results have dwarfed all other candidates for esports popularity. Lol.
Aah thats the stuff..
3Form
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom389 Posts
August 10 2011 15:01 GMT
#73
AOE play is dependent on macro, micro hardly comes into it. Whereas BW has a lot more room for micro. Can't really talk about SC2 though.

In my opinion, and it is just an opinion, AoE2 is one of the best RTSs ever.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 16:10:13
August 10 2011 16:09 GMT
#74
AoE2 balance is broke as fuck. The 4 resource econ is completely irrelevant since most of the games end in the second age.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
August 10 2011 16:17 GMT
#75
I feel like this video is appropriate for this discussion.

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