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Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
August 10 2011 02:06 GMT
#41
Yes, because you don't like something you should shit on everything about it.

1/5, bad troll.
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GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
August 10 2011 02:07 GMT
#42
On August 10 2011 09:55 drooL wrote:
i can't remember anyone saying that ESPORTS is exclusive to starcraft.

<_< Cmon drooL. You know damn well that the SC2 community was like this during release.
eSports Prodigy & Illuminati member.
Imperium11
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States279 Posts
August 10 2011 02:59 GMT
#43
I want to second the earlier request for vods of competitive AOE.I loved the game as a kid, but have never seen any true high level play. It would be interesting to experience again and compare it to Starcraft.
kOre
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada3642 Posts
August 10 2011 03:08 GMT
#44
On August 10 2011 10:30 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 09:40 Wohmfg wrote:
I can't see anything being harder than BW. There must be some videos you can point us to? You must have seen them to be able to say that it has a higher skill ceiling than BW.

In a realistic human sense, no RTS is going to be harder than Broodwar.

AoE2 harder and more difficult than Starcraft, what a joke.

QFT, I've pretty much played all of those and the difference in skill between BW and pretty much every other game is miles long.
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Warpath
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1242 Posts
August 10 2011 03:16 GMT
#45
I've seen some of the AoE2 tournies a while ago when there was a post.. a while ago. Most of the games were just slowpushing with barracks and just producing as close to the line of skirmish as possible while sending villagers around looking for the randomspawn animals.

There were a few games that weren't like that though, it looked pretty sweet. Harder than starcraft, I'm not convinced.

That being said, i could completely accept a game like AoE2 into the ESPORTS spectrum, the same way i see CS, Quake, Dawn of War etc. It's some of the supercasual games that have been hitting the scene that have a 'quick to learn, quick to master' learning curve like WoW arena being a pretty big example.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
August 10 2011 03:21 GMT
#46
On August 10 2011 08:38 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
I assume you mean sc2, you should specify that.
Brood war = only real esport.
SC2 = joke

Mega high five of awesomeness

Id be damned to find a harder competitive game that BW
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
August 10 2011 03:29 GMT
#47
So.. let me get this straight. The harder the resource/economy management is.. the better a game is competitively.
...

Fucking seriously? I used to be inseparable from Rise of Rome. I remember playing AoE2 in those terribad .. god it's been so long I can't even remember what the pre MSN kinda thing was called for Microsoft multiplayer games.

Even if you were making a legitimate comparison I have one thing to say: Apples and fucking Oranges.
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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
August 10 2011 03:46 GMT
#48
On August 10 2011 12:21 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 08:38 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
I assume you mean sc2, you should specify that.
Brood war = only real esport.
SC2 = joke

Mega high five of awesomeness

Id be damned to find a harder competitive game that BW


"I like a game and am proud of it. I support other people who like other good games.

Except for my game's sister game, which also shares this website.

I shit on that every chance I get."

Your viewpoint is so clear!
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Nella
Profile Joined July 2011
United States64 Posts
August 10 2011 03:53 GMT
#49
if StarCraft != Esports
rant;
else
rant;
lu_cid
Profile Joined April 2008
United States428 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 03:56:21
August 10 2011 03:56 GMT
#50
On August 10 2011 12:53 Nella wrote:
if StarCraft != Esports
rant;
else
rant;


for ( ; ; )
rant;
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
August 10 2011 04:14 GMT
#51
On August 10 2011 10:25 Z3kk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 10:00 AlBundy wrote:
On August 10 2011 09:31 DerNebel wrote:
On August 10 2011 09:24 AlBundy wrote:
So you don't give a shit about ESPORTS but you feel the need to rant about it? In my opinion you look pissed because Brood war and to a lesser extent, Sc2 are the most competitive games. They are the pinnacle of electronic sports competition, especially BW. I feel a bit of insecurity in your post, are you afraid that the other games do not get the recognition they deserve? Don't worry, most of us enjoy and respect the other scenes. Personally I like the Fighting games competition but I believe that Starcraft really embodies the spirit of ESPORTS.

Also Age of Empires? Really? It's all about WARCRAFT 2 BITCHES !

Yeah, but DotA and LoL also have their merits. That game is primarily a teamsport, with a clearly defined pitch and goal. SC is an ever-changing game of incredible individual skill, MOBAs are team games, games look similar at first glance (comparable to football/soccer) and the super-high skill is primarily centered around awesome teamwork.

Recognise the differences, and grow off the success of the MOBAs.

You are right, MOBA games definitely have a big place in esports and I should have mentionned them. To be honest I don't really watch them because I prioritize sc content but I definitely look forward to Dota 2 so I can really get into this genre.


I don't know whether you've heard of this, but an interesting thing to note: if you thought BM in SC2 was bad, get ready for MOBA BM lol. It's a jungle out there in terms of manners Just randomly putting that out there.

Oh really?? Thanks for the heads-up.
o choro é livre
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 10 2011 04:29 GMT
#52
care to clarify on how AoE is harder than SC? somehow i just don't buy it, the game pace is much slower, sure you gotta manage more resources but at such slow pace i don't see it to be such an issue (i mean not for me, but for progamers) ...
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11601 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 04:35:04
August 10 2011 04:33 GMT
#53
Age of Mythology > Age of Empires imo.
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Loanshark
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
China3094 Posts
August 10 2011 04:40 GMT
#54
Guitar Hero = ESPORTS
No dough, no go. And no mercy.
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
August 10 2011 04:44 GMT
#55
On August 10 2011 13:33 CaucasianAsian wrote:
Age of Mythology > Age of Empires imo.


Agreed. Played this a lot on ladder and it was much better, more competitive. Too bad the community died out.

Still, BW is much harder. Anyone who's played both games at a decent level should know that.
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 05:13:53
August 10 2011 05:11 GMT
#56
I thought this post was completely reasonable and I agreed until the AOE stuff. That's hilarious.

I actually don't even like arguing about what game takes "more skill" because in competitive gaming, how much skill it takes to win is based mostly on how tough the competition is.


Here is some knowledge for ya: the competition in broodwar is some of the stiffest in competitive gaming, if not THE stiffest. AOE definitely isn't in the same league as it, I don't really think any game is.... but if there is one it isn't AOE.
Kula
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States140 Posts
August 10 2011 08:17 GMT
#57
Exactly, even if AOE is the "harder" game to play, it's definitely not the harder game to win at.
pr0bez
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States50 Posts
August 10 2011 08:17 GMT
#58
I agree that many usages of the term ESPORTS are stupid and undermine the legitimacy of Starcraft as a self-sustainable institution (and may be HURTING STARCRAFT).

To me, when I think of esports, i think of WCG and other organizations that sought to promote all computer games. But for the most part, most professional gamers exist within their own realms. Not often, do you see a pro smash bros player switch to SC.

Confounding Esports with starcraft puts it on a shared level with other inferior games and assumes a greater interdependence between different competitive gaming communities.

The history and legacy behind Starcraft is a beauty in its own right.
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
August 10 2011 08:40 GMT
#59
"I hate that you shit on something because you don't like it so I shit on your opinion because I don't like it."
At least you're not any different from us. You're welcome!
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
August 10 2011 09:28 GMT
#60
It's quite simple:
Every game where you can play against an opponent can be e-sports. Not the skill level decides what ends up being one, but the fanbase.

If there are fans that would pay to watch players play as well as players ready to dedicate their life to mastering the game, it's E-Sports. The skill level of the game doesn't even matter at all, it's the community around it that matters.

We might not like some of the games or platforms (Seriously... console games as E-Sports... i will never understand this world) but since they have a community around it that wants to watch players play and they are ready to pay for it, they are legitimate E-Sports.
Yeah, some are harder, some are easier, but in the end it doesn't matter at all.
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