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Rinrun
Canada3509 Posts
"ESPORTS is StarCraft 2, you can't take the RTS out of ESPORTS, then it'd be ESPO and that doesn't make sense" --Hot_Bid There was a featured thread that, basically, stated what you have stated, but in a more factual way. Well minus the rant, but the "ESPORTS = lots of games" part is still in tact. | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
Also Age of Empires? Really? It's all about WARCRAFT 2 BITCHES ! | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
On August 10 2011 08:38 Xenocide_Knight wrote: I assume you mean sc2, you should specify that. Brood war = only real esport. SC2 = joke  | ||
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DerNebel
Denmark648 Posts
On August 10 2011 09:24 AlBundy wrote: So you don't give a shit about ESPORTS but you feel the need to rant about it? In my opinion you look pissed because Brood war and to a lesser extent, Sc2 are the most competitive games. They are the pinnacle of electronic sports competition, especially BW. I feel a bit of insecurity in your post, are you afraid that the other games do not get the recognition they deserve? Don't worry, most of us enjoy and respect the other scenes. Personally I like the Fighting games competition but I believe that Starcraft really embodies the spirit of ESPORTS. Also Age of Empires? Really? It's all about WARCRAFT 2 BITCHES ! Yeah, but DotA and LoL also have their merits. That game is primarily a teamsport, with a clearly defined pitch and goal. SC is an ever-changing game of incredible individual skill, MOBAs are team games, games look similar at first glance (comparable to football/soccer) and the super-high skill is primarily centered around awesome teamwork. Recognise the differences, and grow off the success of the MOBAs. | ||
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lu_cid
United States428 Posts
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G3CKO
Canada1430 Posts
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Wohmfg
United Kingdom1292 Posts
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WackaAlpaca
Canada208 Posts
CS/Quake/Halo2 = closest thing to esports you can get | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
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rolfe
United Kingdom1266 Posts
if you mean people being rude about other games in live report threads when on streams like wow on blizz invitational or other MLG streams its just some people are rude about anything in live report threads. | ||
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drooL
United Kingdom2108 Posts
with that said, i find the OP very dumb and uncalled for. | ||
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
On August 10 2011 09:40 Wohmfg wrote: I can't see anything being harder than BW. There must be some videos you can point us to? You must have seen them to be able to say that it has a higher skill ceiling than BW. There can obviously be, a game where every second you have to have a thousand apm and manage a hundred control groups or something along those lines. With most competitive games the skill ceiling is effectively infinite, and other factors than sheer difficulty come into play (namely, which skills do you actually care about seeing?). | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
On August 10 2011 09:31 DerNebel wrote: Yeah, but DotA and LoL also have their merits. That game is primarily a teamsport, with a clearly defined pitch and goal. SC is an ever-changing game of incredible individual skill, MOBAs are team games, games look similar at first glance (comparable to football/soccer) and the super-high skill is primarily centered around awesome teamwork. Recognise the differences, and grow off the success of the MOBAs. You are right, MOBA games definitely have a big place in esports and I should have mentionned them. To be honest I don't really watch them because I prioritize sc content but I definitely look forward to Dota 2 so I can really get into this genre. | ||
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Z3kk
4099 Posts
On August 10 2011 10:00 AlBundy wrote: You are right, MOBA games definitely have a big place in esports and I should have mentionned them. To be honest I don't really watch them because I prioritize sc content but I definitely look forward to Dota 2 so I can really get into this genre. I don't know whether you've heard of this, but an interesting thing to note: if you thought BM in SC2 was bad, get ready for MOBA BM lol. It's a jungle out there in terms of manners  Just randomly putting that out there. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On August 10 2011 09:40 Wohmfg wrote: I can't see anything being harder than BW. There must be some videos you can point us to? You must have seen them to be able to say that it has a higher skill ceiling than BW. In a realistic human sense, no RTS is going to be harder than Broodwar. AoE2 harder and more difficult than Starcraft, what a joke. | ||
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Wohmfg
United Kingdom1292 Posts
On August 10 2011 10:30 arb wrote: In a realistic human sense, no RTS is going to be harder than Broodwar. AoE2 harder and more difficult than Starcraft, what a joke. Yeah that's what I meant. No possible and real game is harder than BW. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
Balancing 4 resources seems to be much harder than managing minerals+vespene. The lack of attack-move tends to make army control more cumbersome. The tendency for AoE2 games to be much longer than BW games does strain the patience and stamina of the average player. Then again, both are different games and are judged based on different merits and flaws. | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2396 Posts
On August 10 2011 08:51 G3CKO wrote: It's not about outguessing your oppenents build orders, and playing mind games, and hiding buildings/expansions/etc. its about OUTPLAYING him. These are a big chunk of what makes Starcraft more entertaining as an ESPORT compared to AoE. I could believe either way about which one has a higher skill ceiling, but Starcraft has a faster pace and I would say is more punishing, which pushes entertainment value. | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
I don't understand why everyone cares about thist. The game designers for games didn't design for games to be hard, but as long as a game is multiplayer with multiple aspects involved (ie not rock paper scissors) the skill cap is likely "unreachable". Just take a look at Go and Chess, theoretically Go is harder but it's not like anyone can reach perfection in either so the room to debate which one takes more skill isn't very big. | ||
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WarChimp
Australia943 Posts
You come onto a StarCraft website and rant and say that eSports is not equaled to StarCraft? That may in fact be true, but I can tell ya, a lot more money has come from StarCraft that has really defined "eSports". Most of which can be attributed to Kespa. In addition, we do recognise other games out there that have added to what we now define as eSports. What I am about to say is totally opinionated and I don't have any actual evidence to back it up, but it seems to me, that other games have really piggy backed upon StarCraft's success, they saw the success that StarCraft has brought to eSports, hence why more and more companies are sponsoring these tournaments, why big companies are even hosting their own tournaments now, recently by Valve with their One million dollar DotA 2 tournament. Kespa has seemingly took a huge gamble with StarCraft and they really made eSports big. I am not saying that other games haven't attributed to eSports, especially games out there like Counter Strike 1.6, all I am saying is, StarCraft was the stepping stone to the acceptance of eSports. | ||
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