• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:44
CEST 14:44
KST 21:44
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL47
Community News
BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack2Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates9GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th13Weekly Cups (May 27-June 1): ByuN goes back-to-back0
StarCraft 2
General
The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic DreamHack Dallas 2025 - Official Replay Pack BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group B [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group A RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu BW General Discussion BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans?
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET NA Team League 6/8/2025 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 29031 users

Improvement Log 3.5

Blogs > Clbull
Post a Reply
Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 16:32:35
July 18 2011 16:27 GMT
#1
This improvement log will feature replay analysis discussed earlier in my last Improvement Log. It will be more of a partial installment as it will just analyse 1 replay.

Why just one replay being analysed? Because I both don't have the time to do sweeping replay analysis or ladder loads, let alone both. This replay is taking up a lot of blog space as it is, plus as I said in Improvement Log 3, university is imminent.

I would like to ask the TL community. Am I doing it wrong?

Map Details:
PvZ - The Shattered Temple close-by-land positions.

Advantages:
Close rush distances making early game timing attacks far more effective and less scoutable/preparable.This can be a double edged sword though. Because I want to stick with a relative game plan and because this is the first replay I wanted to analyse in this way, I refrained from doing an aggressive build like 4-Gate despite discovering close positions by land.

Disadvantages:
Xel'naga Watchtowers become useless at spotting early aggression due to how they are positioned. This probably explains why many tournament variations of these maps enforce cross or close-by-air positions.

Analysis:
My tactic was to open with a 3 Gate Expand making mainly Zealots and Sentries to handle zergling or roach aggression (I know Stalkers help hugely in that regard but they are expensive and forcefield micro can be very effective)

I also decided at the last minute to transition into a 5-Gate chargelot push, getting hallucination at the same time, hence my Hallucination research was a little bit late.

By the time I eventually got my third base (at a late time like 14 minutes), I slam down 5 more Gateways and get a Templar Archive seeing as I scouted an Infestation Pit on my Phoenix runby

I do a midgame push, completely denying my opponent by forcefielding his ramp consistently and take down his natural expansion with a small crack team of Zealots and Sentries with one or two Stalkers.

My opponent oddly enough went on 2 bases the whole game, getting his natural quite late for a Zerg player, around the 5 min 30 secs mark, and doing some huge attempts at tech, namely going Roach Hydra Infestor after losing his crapload of lings and his natural to my army in the midgame.

Was I supply blocked:
I do get supply blocked VERY significantly around the midgame when I am at around 110 supply.

The only realistic way to resolve this is to pay even closer attention to my supply count, even during a push, watching it very frequently and knowing when to lay down more Pylons, or to work out good pylon timings, which I have mostly managed well in the early game.

Was my money high:
After my first push, yes. It was very high. I was floating thousands of minerals. This can be resolved by paying far more attention to warping in more units than constantly watching the battle unfold.

By the endgame, I was floating a lot of gas as well, which could have been better utilised.

Furthermore, I was getting better tech and upgrades much later than I should have. I was only on +1 Attack whereas my opponent had +2 Attack and +2 Armor.

Was my scouting weak?
Only in the late game, but by then I had made two successful battles, and had a strong feeling my opponent wasn't in a very strong position after having sniped his natural once.

He wasn't playing your typical ZvP, that's for certain. Normally, Zerg aim to be ahead of protoss.

Did I have any flaws in my micro?
Only minor. The main goal of my forcefield micro was to prevent movement such as reinforcements getting to the natural expansion or zealot kiting as I was going a sentry zealot heavy army.

What two things I improve by game 2?
1) Concentrate harder on creating units in the middle of battles, especially when short term forcefield micro can deny my opponent anyway.

2) Focus a lot more on obtaining upgrades. +2 Weapons would have made my previous attacks far more dangerous.

The Replay:

Clbull vs Levithan on The Shattered Temple

Just a FYI, not all Gold levelled Zergs play this badly. Many are actually monsters on EU ladder.

*
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
GSL Code S
09:30
Ro8 - Group B
Zoun vs herOLIVE!
Crank 400
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko505
Crank 400
Harstem 271
Hui .143
ProTech107
MindelVK 57
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 13488
Hyuk 8066
Sea 3470
EffOrt 438
Mini 354
Stork 293
Snow 225
Soulkey 211
Last 211
Light 128
[ Show more ]
Zeus 120
TY 91
Pusan 65
sorry 61
ToSsGirL 61
hero 47
Sea.KH 46
sas.Sziky 43
Rush 35
sSak 33
Movie 31
Barracks 27
Nal_rA 24
Yoon 23
Icarus 18
JulyZerg 18
scan(afreeca) 14
HiyA 13
IntoTheRainbow 12
Noble 10
SilentControl 9
zelot 8
ivOry 3
Dota 2
qojqva1806
XcaliburYe545
boxi98307
Fuzer 264
Counter-Strike
byalli190
edward117
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor169
Other Games
singsing2617
B2W.Neo1372
C9.Mang0623
DeMusliM462
crisheroes406
XaKoH 259
Mew2King143
ArmadaUGS57
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream13870
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Airneanach5
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV147
League of Legends
• Nemesis5854
• Jankos1335
Upcoming Events
OSC
8h 17m
Replay Cast
11h 17m
OSC
11h 17m
WardiTV Invitational
22h 17m
OSC
1d
Korean StarCraft League
1d 14h
SOOP
1d 20h
sOs vs Percival
CranKy Ducklings
1d 21h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 22h
Cheesadelphia
2 days
[ Show More ]
CSO Cup
2 days
GSL Code S
2 days
Rogue vs TBD
TBD vs GuMiho
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
RSL Revival
5 days
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Serral vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.