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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
June 22 2011 06:47 GMT
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OK. So I finally feel like I"m getting it. I'm crushing huge terran pushes, destroying the death ball and.... going 0-6 in ZvZ.

I was 9 wins, 9 losses today. I was 8 wins 4 losses before the zvz.... yeah, I laddered too much. (Although four of them were zvzs under 5 minutes) >.>

So this is what happened.

Game 1: Protoss does that "pressure poke" off of three gate expand. I've taken a third. My units are late, he forcefields himself into his third. (I was supply blocked tt) So I block the exit, and own his stuff, and he ggs. :D

Next is a zvz on backwater gulch. I go 15 hatch 15 pool 17 gas. I get out roaches. I would have held, but they get caught out in the open and surrounded by lings. Had I blocked the ramp I win. :/

Third is a zvt in which I own reaper harass, and attack with like 6 roaches. He stops that, makes a huge push, I absolutely crush it. First time I"ve crushed a huge marine tank ball like that.

Fourth is exactly like game 1. Protosses tend to overcommit >.>

Fifth is a ZvZ in which I have fail engagements and lose. I have no idea how to engage better :/ I make drones I lose. I make units i lose :/

Sixth is a bizarre game on Shattered Temple. A guy goes one base with cannons, I stick on two base with lair tech. He gets out a bunch of phoenixes and void rays. My hydras pop just in time, and I march to his base and kill him. And he's high diamond >.>

At this point I"m going to ignore some boring games >.>

Another game is close positions shattered temple. I get one gas four gated, forget roach warren, and protect with lings and a heavily transfused spine crawler with 11 kills >.> Felt so good to win that.

Next game it's also close positions. He has a fail wall, but manages at the last second to get it out. I've put too many larvae into zerglings and die to a six gate. Oh well.

ZvP. I counter his natural, kills stuff. I roll his army with pure roach, he gets out voids, I get out hydras and win >.>

ZvT. I get bunker rushed. I hold it off. I get bunker rushesd again. I hold it off. I get bunker rushed again. I don't hold it off. I break out. I only ahve 10 drones. I lose 6 minutes later to a huge push.

ZvT. Hold off 10 minute push, deny third, get fourth, he takes third. I get mass muta and baneling his pfort.

ZvT against same guy on same map same positions >.> This time I opt for faster broodlords. Same result.

ZvP on Tal' Darim. I hold six gate with burrow, and deny third with burrow moving roaches.

Now there are 4 consecutive ZvZs and a ZvT (I own the terran, getting back to #8 in division, and equal for the day) I lose all 4 ZvZs. THe first two I played standard. First one he attacked and I dindn't have enough units out in time. Second one I do same thing, but my upgrades are worse and my micro is bad. And I had less drones. But only 3 less. I'm just confused.

My question: are there any good ZvZ resources. I've watched the 12 weeks with the pros ret zvz. Are there any other good videos for ZvZ instruction?


Also, only 3 more wins til hydra portrait >.>

What I've learned as zerg: Drone timing, the importance of remaxing quickly, and drone counting.

What I have no idea about: ZvZ >.>

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Flaunt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
New Zealand784 Posts
June 22 2011 07:21 GMT
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the ret zvz vid is all you need. you have all the info and the rest comes from losing A LOT of games. play play play! you won't get good with z unless you play ALOT! you need to learn why certain things work and don't work.

quick note
Stick to opening iwth 15 hatch in ZvZ. It will drive you crazy getting cheesed 99% of your games but when you truely master it and open every game with a flawless 15 hatch without losing anything, it really does become an awesome matchup. I was 3 11 in bronze 1 year ago and I stuck to the macro builds without evber cheesing myself and now I'm palced in GM with a legit good w/l ratio with no cheese wins whatsoev er. gl hf!
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