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On June 20 2011 11:24 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 01:07 Chef wrote:
Sorry, but Arkansassy is pretty much right here. I didn't really give the necessary information for people to give me solid advice because I wasn't asking for any, I was just sharing the frustration of being told to see a psychologist lol. It is such a lazy way of trying to help someone. "Oh you're moving? You should hire movers." Thanks. Professionals or not, it's impersonal and insulting. Your parents are out of their depth and want to help you. How is that insulting? Swallow your pride, lots of intelligent, capable people see psychologists to help them with their problems, It's not a big deal and yet you seem so biased against them. My parents tried to help me by talking things through but they couldn't really help me deal with them. As much as your parents might love you, and as smart as you might be, an outside, professional perspective can be very helpful. CBT and proper counselling helped me alot. I'm still the same person, just not suffering as much from old insecurities and irrational/negative thoughts (like feeling frustrated and insulted at someone offering to help you). Going on your blogs I've always thought you seemed pretty smart and open-minded but you're way off base on this one. How the fuck can you think this guy is "pretty much right"?? Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 09:00 Arkansassy wrote:
I'd venture to say the majority of psychologists become psychologists because of their own effed up minds or because someone close to them suffered from a mental illness. Of course, there are some that go into the field simply to help others, because they think they're so frickin superior in an emotionally well-balanced way. *rolls eyes*
Now let's see, psychiatrists dish out drugs - the majority of which have extremely bad side-effects, and the psychologists won't even talk to you until you see a shrink and are heavily medicated. lol
Nevertheless, when you're suffering from depression, it's not fun and some times you need a med for a jump start - the problem is, the idiots want to keep you on them forever.
I love CBT! I've been a huge fan of it since the early 2000s! I've read so much and studied about it so much on my free time because it just makes no sense, it's down-to-earth and can easily be performed by yourself or with the expertise of a specialist :B!~
Chef, if you want. I'll see a psychologist if you do, we can dual-blog about it! :B
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On June 20 2011 03:39 Chef wrote:
What misconceptions? I see a 5 page argument about the differences between psychologists and psychiatrists, and some people arguing about what their exact qualifications are... Which is something I didn't even mention in my OP. I don't perceive the posts this thread as condescending (a little presumptuous maybe), I was talking about my parents.
I said what I imagined it to be, but I also said I know that there are many different psychologists with their own methods. If you're saying psychologists don't do what I said, you're wrong because people I know who've gone to psychologists have told me about what their sessions were like. One explained that they were given those types of missions, and another said that he just got to talk about his interests (even before getting into emotional stuff).
So I don't know what to say to that... I don't feel my OP was asking for advice at all. People just read 'see a psychologist,' skim thru the post, and make an assumption about what I meant. If you read it thoroughly, I think I'm a decent enough writer to have written what I meant, and a few people got it so nuts to you. People talk very big about depression and medicine on the internet, but it's not such a clear cut field if you've had to actually delve into it. Psychology is more scientifically rigorous than it used to be, but because of that it also has to admit that the human brain is not fully understood yet, and I think it should also respect philosophical qualms about whether being happy or 'content' is actually a person's objective.
Simplify, simplify, simplify. The brain is like programming! (very generous comparison). Do you really even know the stats for the number of depressed people who actually get "better?" What is considered a success? What is the value of independence? What does one want out of one's life? These are subjective questions that one must answer for oneself. I have. I've known since the beginning that I do not want to get therapy or take drugs. I didn't make this thread to ask 'should I see a professional?' I made this thread saying 'I would rather see a cat.' lol... Why is that the wrong answer? Because I answered the questions differently than you did? That seems rather unfair.
You have a lot of reasons to be skeptical about therapy working for you, but you haven't really presented any reasons not to just give it a shot. A lot of people in this thread have explained to you why.
And it's silly to complain because people didn't respond to your OP in the exact way you expected/wanted them to.
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On June 20 2011 09:14 Chef wrote:Let me set the record and say that I have never said that, nor do I believe that. I don't know where this is coming from. I'm fully aware that modern psychology is based on the scientific method, I've taken a few psychology courses in my day, and I'm not an idiot. Just because I don't want to see a psychologist (one small part of psychology) doesn't mean it is a defence mechanism (it's ironic that you bring that up right after calling Freud obsolete) or that I'm denying the legitimacy of the entire field. You can't make a conclusion and say that the only reason I don't agree with you is because I have a defence mechanism or there is something else wrong with my perspective. That's not a strong argument, that's just bickering. I've offered good reasons why seeing a psychologist is not for me, but you're so quick to decide what's wrong with me and why I need to be fixed, why I should be more like you. What's so great about you? Maybe I like how I act, I think the way other people act is unhealthy? There's no such man I can tell you to see to try to get you to act just like me, so I'm a little defenceless here. How unfair.
Wait wait wait WHAT?
When did I say i knew what was wrong with you, or that there was even anything "wrong" with you at all. I wasnt talking about you specifically when I said rejecting psychology is a defense mechanism I was talking about EVERYONE, thats why I used WE.
Seriously chill a little.
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Well, if it helps I totally get what you're saying and would much rather see the cat too 
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You should go.
As much as you find it weird now, that person will never judge you, unlike opening up to friends.
I've been to one session, started talking, and the damn doc started asking the most stupid hard questions every time I tried to explain why I thought I was there. She never tried to judge me or fix me, just asked the the things I was avoiding asking myself. I knew about them I just never wanted to think about those issues, just held them away. After a bit of holding back and once she explained it's nothing so special, a lot of people have some issues (even her, apparently they have to visit a psychologist themselves before being allowed to practice and I suppose even while they practice) I gave up defending and opened up.
Was quite nice being able to talk to someone not just about minor stupid things but about all the hidden stuff, my impossibility to concentrate, my thoughts about suicide, my issues with my parents. Then being called an idiot (not directly but the question she asked made me realize it) and being fully in agreement.
It was a pretty nice deal. I used to think I was pretty good at analyzing myself but those 2h still helped me break what I would consider my last ego walls. At least now I am even more aware of my issues and can sort of handle them even if I refuse to fix them yet.
Remember, as hard as some of the things you're asked seem to be to answer, try to move towards just answering them as much as you can. And as openly and completely as you can. Shrinks are pretty much the only ones you could ever so completely open up to (as long as it doesn't involve a murder spree I suppose). Also helped that she told me it all was completely private.
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you haven't really presented any reasons not to just give it a shot
Maybe those reasons are about my personal life, and like I said I didn't given enough information? I'm not telling the internet specifics hahaha. My reasons are my own, do you really need them? Does it really matter to me if you approve of them?
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That cat is really fucking cute.
Ive gone to personal psychiatrists and couple psychiatrists.
Plural on both accounts.
More often then not they are good.
They just ask the right questions and don't judge you.
You seem to think hes going to be critical and post his bias understanding in the paper.
Most likely he will never mention anything to anyone ever.
The best ones don't even come up with a conclusion.
They let you find it.
Your friend is very lucky to have such a cute cat.
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Chef, you don't need to bitch with these guys about ne nature of different psycho-analysits and what they can perscribe. It's about you, fuck the rest /engage-shameless-self-promotion so you don't need to get huffed over people not caring cuz some still do so stick to that instead of persnicetyness.
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I'm really confused.
What kind of replies were you looking for Chef?
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The big issue people have with attempting therapy is the idea that they need help. That their own minds are incapable of discerning the problems or issues plaguing them and being able to solve them. An outside perspective is usually always a good thing.
I'm not saying that you should see one, because I don't know your issues, but it could be beneficial. I had an interesting experience with one, as I wanted to see if I was Bipolar, but upon asking a basic question, they didn't have the correct answer, so I never went back.
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Chef, just go. You're a girl, right? Then you probably have 1000000 problems that need fixing. This person will probably help you and make you a better person.
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If you were expecting people to tell you to fuck it and not go, sorry. Most people understand what a psychologist is and how they could possibly help. Is there a real problem if a complete stranger that is compelled to keep your conversations private learns some of your secrets and possibly helps you learn some secrets even you didn't know? Is there any danger in getting an outside opinion? Didn't you learn by now that debugging your own creations is worthless and inefficient?
As for drugs, if you don't want them, avoid them. I doubt anyone can force you to take them if you don't want to/you think they'll change you for the worse.
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On June 20 2011 03:39 Chef wrote:
What misconceptions? I see a 5 page argument about the differences between psychologists and psychiatrists, and some people arguing about what their exact qualifications are... Which is something I didn't even mention in my OP. I don't perceive the posts this thread as condescending (a little presumptuous maybe), I was talking about my parents.
I said what I imagined it to be, but I also said I know that there are many different psychologists with their own methods. If you're saying psychologists don't do what I said, you're wrong because people I know who've gone to psychologists have told me about what their sessions were like. One explained that they were given those types of missions, and another said that he just got to talk about his interests (even before getting into emotional stuff).
So I don't know what to say to that... I don't feel my OP was asking for advice at all. People just read 'see a psychologist,' skim thru the post, and make an assumption about what I meant. If you read it thoroughly, I think I'm a decent enough writer to have written what I meant, and a few people got it so nuts to you. People talk very big about depression and medicine on the internet, but it's not such a clear cut field if you've had to actually delve into it. Psychology is more scientifically rigorous than it used to be, but because of that it also has to admit that the human brain is not fully understood yet, and I think it should also respect philosophical qualms about whether being happy or 'content' is actually a person's objective.
Simplify, simplify, simplify. The brain is like programming! (very generous comparison). Do you really even know the stats for the number of depressed people who actually get "better?" What is considered a success? What is the value of independence? What does one want out of one's life? These are subjective questions that one must answer for oneself. I have. I've known since the beginning that I do not want to get therapy or take drugs. I didn't make this thread to ask 'should I see a professional?' I made this thread saying 'I would rather see a cat.' lol... Why is that the wrong answer? Because I answered the questions differently than you did? That seems rather unfair.
Sorry about taking part in that, I get riled up easily when it comes to psychology because there are so many misconceptions about it out there and everyone seems to think they know what they're talking about.
From this post I completely understand why you don't want to see a psychologist. It's your own decision and if you choose not to want therapy, nobody should pester you about it, at least not if you're still doing relatively fine, which you seem to be. Besides, therapy likely isn't going to have much of an effect if you're not committed to it.
Just know that if you ever do want help, therapy is one way that's worth considering and I or hopefully people more knowledgeable than me can help you with choosing a therapist for you that does stuff you find reasonable and not the things you describe in the OP.
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the more pressing issue: do all those shoes belong to your friend?
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