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qzmpwxno
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Papua New Guinea152 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-05 01:22:08
June 05 2011 01:16 GMT
#1
One thing that has come to my attention is this community's apparent misogynistic tendencies. To illustrate:

Girl blogs.
I understand that the relative awkwardness in dealing with the opposite sex, this being a gaming community, should not come as a surprise. Sometimes, however, the all-too-frequent (and all-too-tragic) girl blogs could have convinced someone not familiar with TL that this was a singles or dating advice forum.

The supposed need to balance Starcraft time with time spent with the opposite sex.
This is a rather strange point, simply because most TLers believe that Starcraft is so precious that any time that is not being devoted to Starcraft is time that is useless and boring. To stimulate the mind of the Starcraft gamer the average TLer seeks the companionship of the opposite sex, but this is merely a guise, as most TLers use this opportunity to take a quick photo to post on the "Post a pic of your boy/girlfriend" page and then promptly proceed to break up with the girl, as any time spent outside of Starcraft is ultimately a waste of time.

The supposed need to introduce girls to Starcraft.
Apparently many TLers believe that to judge whether a girl is relationship material, they must challenge said girl to 1v1 Starcaft match after introducing them to the basic build orders and tactics. Allowing said girls to view streams and/or pro replays is not recommended, because if said girl pwns you in 1v1 then the TLer has no choice but to ask IdRa for help in mechanics or strategy in order to defeat said female foe.

The fact that being in Masters might still mean you're Bronze with girls.
Many TLers refuse to believe that their worth in life can be dictated by anything but their Starcraft rankings, thus the apparent frequency of "Forever Alone" and "FFFUUU" memes.

The fact that Kerrigan is female.
The greatest villian of all time (in Starcraft) is a female. NUFF SAID

...
I can't think of anything else at the moment, but the point still stands.


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elmizzt
Profile Joined February 2010
United States3309 Posts
June 05 2011 01:21 GMT
#2
You're way overanalyzing. Some dudes think it's funny to make "misogynistic" comments. That's why it happens.
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echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
June 05 2011 01:22 GMT
#3
It's the internet.
"Or a school bus over a bunch of kids" - Tasteless --- “A man's errors are his portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
nbaker
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1341 Posts
June 05 2011 01:22 GMT
#4
Mehh, why do you want to be a part of this community if we're all anti-social sexist basement dwellers? I've always found the large majority of people here to be very smart and sociable and interesting, so I disagree with basically everything you said.

The one thing that sometimes rubs me the wrong way in reference to girls on this forum is that some people seem to put too much stock in pick-up advice or whatever, where girls are sometimes talked about as input-output mechanisms, however I think this is a very small portion of Teamliquid.
jlim
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain943 Posts
June 05 2011 01:24 GMT
#5
are u trolling from papua??
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
June 05 2011 01:24 GMT
#6
cant tell if this blog is a bad troll or just a bit weird

people dont like 'girl blogs' because they are precisely that, blogs about nothing written by a person who has boobs. its more anti white-knight than anti-girl
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
June 05 2011 01:25 GMT
#7
1. You sound like Sheldon Cooper from Big Bang Theory. I've been told that I do too. It's not a good thing.

2. While your thesis may have had some merit, the examples could have been better chosen.

For example.
Blogs are generally very personal things and people tend to think that their relationships are very personal. It does not mean that teamliquid is more misogynistic than most groupings of males.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
June 05 2011 01:26 GMT
#8
Do you even know what misogyny means? Because you didn't address that at all in your post.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
June 05 2011 01:26 GMT
#9
Who needs girls on TL, we have Nada.
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
June 05 2011 01:29 GMT
#10
On June 05 2011 10:26 Megaliskuu wrote:
Who needs girls on TL, we have Nada.


Thank God for that!
you gotta dance
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-05 01:36:32
June 05 2011 01:35 GMT
#11
I think it's nice to share hobbies with people, whether they are female or not. If they don't like it, fine, but when they do it's very satisfying.

I would say it's unhealthy to not try to share a hobby you spend a few hundred hours a year doing with other people.

(It goes without question that the advice in girl blogs and the people who make girl blogs themselves is/are hopeless.
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Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
June 05 2011 02:09 GMT
#12
I looked up the definition, and it seems like you're talking about something different from misogyny
"Misogyny is the hatred or dislike of women. Misogyny comes from Greek misogunia (μισογυνία) from misos (μῖσος, hatred) and gynē (γυνή, woman). A person who hates women is called a misogynist."
I think a better general analysis of this is that there's a lot of boys on TL who are inept in relationships and afraid of girls and make posts that try to drown out their anxiety. Idk though, I don't really read those girl blogs. I don't feel a need to introduce girls to SC, but a girl who's into games is much more attractive and interesting (to people that also play games at least), so naturally these tl'ers seek that out.
Tracil
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia505 Posts
June 05 2011 02:23 GMT
#13
None of those things you listed in your blog are actually pervasive problems, right? Nobody really has a huge issue with any of those, right?
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Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
June 05 2011 02:37 GMT
#14
What on earth is misogyny?
Arkansassy
Profile Joined October 2010
358 Posts
June 05 2011 02:43 GMT
#15
Thank you Roe for pointing out the meaning of misogyny to OP; however, I found the post extremely humorous. Certainly, the entire blog was in jest.

Thrill
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
2599 Posts
June 05 2011 02:50 GMT
#16
TL is a lost cause for this, i've given up long ago. The overwhelming majority will always be either trolls or white knights, that's a fact that will never change. What's to be done? Well, be a good example in what you do. After the whole Incontrol v. Destiny debate on what language to use as a front figure of the community that's a good place to start.

Sadly a grand part of TL staff and mods are fifty years behind on this and believe that "men and women are different" and that "that's just the way things are". Not unequal, but "different", a view that's shared by most of the females in our community as well.

This shit won't change until we get a larger representation of women in the community and that's not likely to happen so yeah - choose your battles. Spare yourself the headache and give up.
HuskyMUDKIPZ
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
228 Posts
June 05 2011 02:55 GMT
#17
There are different sections, the blog section is used like a blog. Some people use their blogs to talk about problems with their lives and seek help, these people may be having trouble with women so they write about that.

A statement involving the "apparent" facts should include evidence and not your assumptions. Also, who is not recommending that you watch streams/replays with a significant other? I have noticed posts in the past encouraging people with female companions to watch streams with them and try to introduce them to the persons hobby, just like any normal person should.

Stating that "being in Masters might still mean you're Bronze with girls" is true but so is "if you are good in school there is still a chance you will develop cancer". You are attempting to compare apples to walruses.

Since when have meme's had anything to with a persons opinion of life worth?

Stating two simple truths, one of which could be disputed (Mengsk) is a very weak way to end your argument.

Also, which point?
Enervate
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1769 Posts
June 05 2011 03:01 GMT
#18
1/5. The time it took for me to read this blog I could have been playing starcraft. Ultimately, this was such a waste of time. I coulda at least quizzed my gf on some build orders yo.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
June 05 2011 03:08 GMT
#19
honestly the best way to avoid bullshti liek this is to stop talkin about it
guys stop making a big deal abotu other gamers/tlers being girls
girls shut up abotu your gender no one cares

problem solved imo
RIP Aaliyah
Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
June 05 2011 04:25 GMT
#20
On June 05 2011 11:37 Ruscour wrote:
What on earth is misogyny?


Basically, woman hate. I mirror the sentiment that you're over-analyzing. It's not that relationships with women are competing with Starcraft time, at least not in the girl blogs I've read. It's nice just to say what's going on. In fact, I think I'll make my first girl blog pretty quick here.

Be excited.
"I'm gonna keep making drones cause I'm a baller, and ballers make drones." -Snute
jlim
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain943 Posts
June 05 2011 04:45 GMT
#21
On June 05 2011 12:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
honestly the best way to avoid bullshti liek this is to stop talkin about it
guys stop making a big deal abotu other gamers/tlers being girls
girls shut up abotu your gender no one cares

problem solved imo


i suscribe this; no one cares
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 05 2011 04:50 GMT
#22
You forgot one where BW and SC2 are completely different games and thus cannot have any forms of comparison on any level or aspect.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Renzin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia75 Posts
June 05 2011 05:02 GMT
#23
OP I don't think you can grab the few people who do bother posting negative comments about girl blogs and then just generalise that to the entire TL forum population. I seriously doubt that most forum users value starcraft to the extent that they have to extend it out to all of their relationships.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-05 07:05:01
June 05 2011 07:04 GMT
#24
On June 05 2011 10:26 Megaliskuu wrote:
Who needs girls on TL, we have Nada.


truth.

nice to see DrH back to his old self again.
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jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
June 05 2011 07:44 GMT
#25
1.00 stars based on 11 ratings...

You guys are so misogynist.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
June 05 2011 10:26 GMT
#26
On June 05 2011 13:25 Dalguno wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2011 11:37 Ruscour wrote:
What on earth is misogyny?


Basically, woman hate. I mirror the sentiment that you're over-analyzing. It's not that relationships with women are competing with Starcraft time, at least not in the girl blogs I've read. It's nice just to say what's going on. In fact, I think I'll make my first girl blog pretty quick here.

Be excited.

The OP should read a blog if thats what he thinks.

Most of the Girl blogs are either :
1) Get the fuck over yourself
2) Shes a bitch and was just using you
3) Just ask her out stop being a pussy
4) Congrats you asked her out and now your life will be good for abit.

The 4th one is more rare than the others though.

Most of the time they dont even hate on the girl in the OP
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
June 05 2011 11:03 GMT
#27
It's not misogyny it's trolling.

Happens in every community that has these characteristics:
Anonymity + Immaturity + Majority male = Aggressiveness towards women

Not because they hate women, but just because they're trying to show off. It's just kids going "look at me plz plz look at me".

Not many girls here -> Boys expected to droll over the few girls -> So I'll tell everyone how special I am and will curse them instead -> Plz look at me I'm special, I don't droll for girls like the rest of you

Really, it's just kids looking for attention. Nothing else.
Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 05 2011 11:12 GMT
#28
On June 05 2011 19:26 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2011 13:25 Dalguno wrote:
On June 05 2011 11:37 Ruscour wrote:
What on earth is misogyny?


Basically, woman hate. I mirror the sentiment that you're over-analyzing. It's not that relationships with women are competing with Starcraft time, at least not in the girl blogs I've read. It's nice just to say what's going on. In fact, I think I'll make my first girl blog pretty quick here.

Be excited.

The OP should read a blog if thats what he thinks.

Most of the Girl blogs are either :
1) Get the fuck over yourself
2) Shes a bitch and was just using you
3) Just ask her out stop being a pussy
4) Congrats you asked her out and now your life will be good for abit.

The 4th one is more rare than the others though.

Most of the time they dont even hate on the girl in the OP


It's funny because that's the exact order I would order them in too. hahaha

Adolescent teenagers are so funny. :D
Arkansassy
Profile Joined October 2010
358 Posts
June 06 2011 00:13 GMT
#29
On June 05 2011 20:03 VIB wrote:
It's not misogyny it's trolling.

Happens in every community that has these characteristics:
Anonymity + Immaturity + Majority male = Aggressiveness towards women

Not because they hate women, but just because they're trying to show off. It's just kids going "look at me plz plz look at me".

Not many girls here -> Boys expected to droll over the few girls -> So I'll tell everyone how special I am and will curse them instead -> Plz look at me I'm special, I don't droll for girls like the rest of you

Really, it's just kids looking for attention. Nothing else.


AHA! Thanks for clearing this up for me.
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15325 Posts
June 06 2011 00:18 GMT
#30
On June 05 2011 10:16 qzmpwxno wrote:
...
I can't think of anything else at the moment, but the point still stands.

One terrible example but your point still stands?

Do you have anything valid to support your claim?
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SirJolt
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
the Dagon Knight4002 Posts
June 06 2011 01:00 GMT
#31
On June 05 2011 10:16 qzmpwxno wrote:
The supposed need to balance Starcraft time with time spent with the opposite sex.
This is a rather strange point, simply because most TLers believe that Starcraft is so precious that any time that is not being devoted to Starcraft is time that is useless and boring. To stimulate the mind of the Starcraft gamer the average TLer seeks the companionship of the opposite sex


This is preposterous. I routinely play StarCraft while having sex with my girlfriend.

I have to balance my laptop on the small of her back to do so, which in turn gives her some atrocious burns, but the things it does for my APM are truly legendary:

My SC2 APM is somewhere around 200-250 (spam and sloppy misclicks are still APM folks)
My sexual APM is at least another 200-250 (spam and sloppy mistakes are still sex APM folks).

As a result, the two activities combined gives me an effective APM in the region of 500. This means that, by suddenly stopping paying attention to having sex, I can momentarily transfer that extra 250 APM, giving me the added control I need to handle my zerglings just right.

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In sex as in SC2, sustained APM is never a problem for me: I six-pool every time. She claims it's BM, but a win is a win.
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