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First of all:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/oCp0Y.jpg) WHOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! ALLEZ FEDERER!
Roger Federer beat Novak Djokovic in the French Open today! Djokovic was on a 43-match winning streak, and 29-year old Fed was being counted out by pretty much everyone; the late twenties is when tennis players really start to decline, etc. If Djokovic had made it to the finals, Nadal would no longer be world no. 1, and Djokovic would replace him. Funnily enough, if Federer defeats Nadal, in the final, Djokovic will still become world no. 1 
Anyway, this is monumental!! This is like...well there won't be a perfect comparison, but this would be sort of like Stork beating Flash in a best of 5; that is, a player who used to be no. 1 (Fed is more Flash's level of dominance though) beating someone who is currently dominating the sports scene. Djokovic has been undefeated since the end of 2010, and Federer, who will turn 30 this year, just took him down.
AWWWW YEAAAAAAAAAHH!!! Huge fan of Federer and this is AMAZING!!
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/R1CH/Happy2.gif) you saw it coming :3
Anyway, back down to earth. Tomorrow is SAT I, and I would like to as for advice. Basically, I've been prepping with Barron's only for SAT Math lvl 2, and have not been scoring well. Some have told me that Barron's is ridiculously more difficult than the actual test, while others have told me it's about the same. I have friends who scored 500-600 range on their Barron's tests, but ended up getting 800 without breaking a sweat. Numerous friends have also informed me that it's harder.
However, I just had a friend who consistently got 800s on his Barron's practice tests get a 790 on the May SAT, and he told me that the difficulty is definitely comparable to the Barron's tests.......
I got 760 diagnostic, and then for the 6 model tests, I got 760, 760, 780, 760, 710, and 710. This did not encourage me. In fact, I feel like a total failure...there is no pattern to the mistakes I make either, so.... A lot are careless errors, but there are others that I flat-out do not know. Should I still take the test tomorrow if I will only settle for 800? Also, if I take it and do not get 800, how bad is it if I retake? ;___;
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Also: sat ii physics. I haven't really done any practice, but if I started at this very moment and just crammed information, there's a half-and-half chance that it'll stick. I'm rather good at cramming, if I may say so myself, but I got ~700 princeton review diagnostic and ~790 kaplan diagnostic, which doesn't translate to 800, I think. Should I cram and take it, or just take it next year?
Physics B is part of my schedule next year, so I will easily get 800 if I prep properly, but the thing is that I would like to apply for summer programs, and am not sure as to whether not having a score will be detrimental
I'm really really happy because of Roger Federer's win, but at the same time should, practically speaking, be really really depressed and/or pissed off (which I am), because my scores are fucking atrocious.
Halp? Please? Thanks!!
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GET OUT OF HERE YOU COLLEGE CONFIDENTIAL SCUM. jk, jk. I preped for Math II with a friend using barrons. He would consistently score around 640 on the tests and he got an 800 on the real thing. As for me I was scoring around 600 and scored a 690 on the test. I think it all comes down to what concepts you are familiar with. I personally, would just not be sweating it if you are getting high 700s on the practice tests.
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The real test ends up having a far more lenient curve than the practice tests, so you should be fine. I routinely got about 3~5 wrong in each of the three sections which was about a 2250 according to the Barron's curve, but I comfortably got above 2300 on the actual test. Just be sure to take everything slowly, as most people end up with plenty of time left. I don't recall what I got on my Physics SAT2, but I remember the test was a lot harder than all of us anticipated, but there was a very generous curve.
However, the most important thing is that a hundred of points either way on the SAT tests matter very little in terms of college admissions, so don't stress about them too much. 2250 should be fine for most colleges including the lower Ivy Leagues, 2300+ if you really want to be safe.
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On June 04 2011 09:26 doothegee wrote:
The real test ends up having a far more lenient curve than the practice tests, so you should be fine. I routinely got about 3~5 wrong in each of the three sections which was about a 2250 according to the Barron's curve, but I comfortably got above 2300 on the actual test. Just be sure to take everything slowly, as most people end up with plenty of time left. I don't recall what I got on my Physics SAT2, but I remember the test was a lot harder than all of us anticipated, but there was a very generous curve.
However, the most important thing is that a hundred of points either way on the SAT tests matter very little in terms of college admissions, so don't stress about them too much. 2250 should be fine for most colleges including the lower Ivy Leagues, 2300+ if you really want to be safe.
Ah, I'm talking about Math lvl 2 :") I'm a sophomore and have already taken my SAT I, though, so no worries there.
...should I restudy a bit for PSAT though? I'm afraid I'll do poorly on that or something...and getting the that one nat'l merit thing seems important; plus there's practically no curve on the PSAT, I think? D:
@Laerties: really? :o Yeah, that's what I've been hearing, but having a friend who got 800s on his Barron's practice tests get 790 on the actual thing really scared me...
Do you recommend knowing any specific/important things, or some obscure things that I might not expect, but actually will appear? I would have taken this to CC, but no one really responds there, as they're all working hard and whatnot. Replies take a very long time, the community isn't very close, etc., just in my humble opinion!
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Imo physics SAT II is more stupid mistake prone since there are more questions--they go by quickly, but you have less time to make sure you're not doing something stupid. Barron's Math II is fine, I was getting 750s on practice tests and got an 800 on the actual one. I got a 790 on SAT II Physics with little prep (though I had taken most of Physics B by the time I took the test). The curve for physics is pretty ridiculous though, as you can miss ~10 questions and still get an 800.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
I hate Nadal, seriously I can't even explain it, the hair, the guy, everything.
Roger Federer forever.
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@777: Yeah, I'm aware of the really fat curve for physics, but I was missing a whole lot on the practice tests...so does that mean I should take Physics only after a good bit of Physics B? I'm taking honors physics, and I believe we have not covered optics, "modern physics", and E&M at all (E&M a bit), and the other topics not particularly in depth.
At first I thought the test would be very conceptual, but apparently one must know a lot of equations; not necessarily for calculations (no calculators I kna) but because it will ask for relationships between variables and things like that
On June 04 2011 09:44 Kipsate wrote:
I hate Nadal, seriously I can't even explain it, the hair, the guy, everything.
Roger Federer forever.
Hahaha +1
(though I don't necessarily hate Nadal he's a mostly pretty nice/well-mannered guy imo, though I just don't like him)
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Barron's is generally harder for SAT 2 and AP tests. SAT 2's overall are pretty easy assuming you've learned the material in a class because they test for knowledge not aptitude, and it's possible to get 800s while still missing some, except for Math 1.
I wouldn't study for the PSAT. It was pretty easy and not very important in my experience. I got the National Merit Scholarship thing but I don't really remember how it benefited me.
Colleges don't really care if you retake, at least that's what they told me. They only consider your highest scores, even combining your highest scores from 2 different SAT 1 sessions to form your SAT 1 score. It's called like superscoring or something.
Good luck!
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On June 04 2011 09:50 Enervate wrote:
Barron's is generally harder for SAT 2 and AP tests. SAT 2's overall are pretty easy assuming you've learned the material in a class because they test for knowledge not aptitude, and it's possible to get 800s while still missing some, except for Math 1.
I wouldn't study for the PSAT. It was pretty easy and not very important in my experience. I got the National Merit Scholarship thing but I don't really remember how it benefited me.
Colleges don't really care if you retake, at least that's what they told me. They only consider your highest scores, even combining your highest scores from 2 different SAT 1 sessions to form your SAT 1 score. It's called like superscoring or something.
Good luck!
Ah, okay. I'll look at my SAT stuff a bit to prepare for the PSAT, just in case. I don't have to worry about superscoring 
I'm still scared for the Math SAT 2 though...I mean it's considered sort of a big fail if I don't get 800, and there are not even any practice tests left for me to take; plus, it was 60, 60, 80, 60, 10, 10....last two were 710 which is extremely discouraging... </3
Any important topics, or ones that likely won't be remembered very well, or the ilk? ;__; I think I'm going to hold off on taking the physics sat ii--might take it in October/November after some self-prepping over the summer.
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screw Federer, GO Djokovic (Hajde Nole)
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Seriously, if Federer and Li Na can both win then this will be the greatest tournament ever. My two favourite players in the finals is already pretty amazing <3
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After having taken the Physics SAT II test, I can say it's not really worth it to study for an exam over the summer. I felt good for my 790 but it really wasn't a big deal when I applied to colleges.
Enjoy your summer, and have one less thing to worry about.
On June 04 2011 09:39 Loser777 wrote:
Imo physics SAT II is more stupid mistake prone since there are more questions--they go by quickly, but you have less time to make sure you're not doing something stupid. Barron's Math II is fine, I was getting 750s on practice tests and got an 800 on the actual one. I got a 790 on SAT II Physics with little prep (though I had taken most of Physics B by the time I took the test). The curve for physics is pretty ridiculous though, as you can miss ~10 questions and still get an 800.
First off, aren't you from China? How do you know about the SAT 2's? Secondly you can score at most 5/6 wrong to get an 800 on the SAT physics. At least that's the most questions you could get wrong when I took it three years ago.
Note: What I say goes out the window if you have over a 2300 on the SAT 1's and you are an American Citizen. The National Merit Scholarship is a pretty big deal. The higher your SAT 2 scores, the larger the chance you won't be cut in the elimination rounds.
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Federer has always been a bit of an anomaly for me. After watching him for years and enjoying his crisp play and domination of the scene for years, the expectations that I put on him are far more than any other sport athlete.
In any match I will always bet on Federer and I become disappointed if he loses, feeling like he played lazily and should have won the match. The high level of men's tennis these days, especially the top players is insane. Nothing beats a 5 set thriller in my mind.
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I agree with all of you  Roger Federer: greatest of all time, no question. If he manages to defeat Nadal at the FO final, then nobody should be able to doubt him at all. In my book, however, he stands alone. 
After having taken the Physics SAT II test, I can say it's not really worth it to study for an exam over the summer. I felt good for my 790 but it really wasn't a big deal when I applied to colleges.
Enjoy your summer, and have one less thing to worry about.
Wait, so do you think I should take the physics SAT II test tomorrow? I haven't prepped for it at all, lol. I've pretty much decided I'm not going to take it tomorrow :/
Also, everyone always asks him about that iirc he's lives in America and I think he's going to UCB? He's quite a beast and he only lists his location as China because he's, well, Chinese. Doesn't live there, and I'm not sure as to his nationality, but he most definitely lives here!
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On June 04 2011 12:14 Z3kk wrote:I agree with all of you Roger Federer: greatest of all time, no question. If he manages to defeat Nadal at the FO final, then nobody should be able to doubt him at all. In my book, however, he stands alone. Show nested quote +After having taken the Physics SAT II test, I can say it's not really worth it to study for an exam over the summer. I felt good for my 790 but it really wasn't a big deal when I applied to colleges.
Enjoy your summer, and have one less thing to worry about. Wait, so do you think I should take the physics SAT II test tomorrow? I haven't prepped for it at all, lol. I've pretty much decided I'm not going to take it tomorrow :/
Oh, you said you were scoring fine on diagnostic tests. I guess you should wait till next year now that I think about it. Just don't waste time studying more than you need to.
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Ah, okay. Yeah, I took diagnostic tests, but I won't take it if I don't at least think I can get 800. Also Kaplan is ridiculously easy (that was the 790), while princeton review is very accurate (only 700ish). D:
But yeah, I won't stress out too much! Thanks!
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CA10830 Posts
wait why are you studying using the barrons sat math level 2 book when you're taking the sat 1?
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I'm sorry! Should have written SAT II!
I thought about it, but just decided to put "SAT", because it sort of encompasses both. I've already taken the SAT I!
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CA10830 Posts
oh ok, SAT 2s aren't a big deal as long as you have a good SAT 1 score.
just try to get at least a 700 and you'll be fine.
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What if I'm aiming for top-level stuff? Obviously nothing is even close to being guaranteed, but doesn't one need 800s in order to remain competitive for ivies, MIT, stanford, etc.? My dream school is MIT, and it seems as if not getting 800s will be a major failing on my part :/
e.g. I got 700 on french, but will not send it (if I can withhold it, that is?) and will study for ush as my liberal art SAT 2...
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CA10830 Posts
i honestly don't think it matters that much as long as your scores are near 800. people who get into MIT and those peer schools generally have some sort of accomplishment that makes them stick out.
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Hmm, advice taken. Thanks!
Out of curiosity, does one have to submit every subject test? The rules vary by school, but might there be a policy of showing every subject test one has taken? i.e. if I take a subject twice, some school will want to see both scores, some will not; if i take a subject and do not retake, does it have to be submitted? :[
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I'm sad because I was planning on watching the replay of the game, but the blog title semi-spoiled the game for me
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OMG I'm so sorry Can't believe I ruined for you :[
I didn't watch it either, but followed live scores... D:
Though I guess you could take it as a good sign that you think positively? (i.e. it could have been Federer lost/I dislike Federer hurhur he lost, and I'm worried about SAT 2s)
Good thing he won though! I'm tempted to make a thread for FO 2011 finals. Fedal finals prove to be amazing. If Fed got to the finals without player Djoko, or got to the finals with an easy draw, I would doubt his chances, but because he beat Djokovic, I believe he has a chance.
However, it's a matchup thing...right now Djokovic has the advantage over Nadal, but Nadal has the massive advantage over Federer...not only is he the king of clay, he can hit high cross-court forehands to Federer's backhand all day and wear him down. Those shots are a one-hander's nightmare, and on clay, it's that much worse. We will see whether Federer can find a way around this!
Federer hwaiting!
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i watched that match and the 4th set was RIDICCCCCCCULOUS
what a crazy match, tennis at its finest
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On June 04 2011 09:44 Kipsate wrote:
I hate Nadal, seriously I can't even explain it, the hair, the guy, everything.
Roger Federer forever.
Feel the same way, and I don't know why. I just hate Nadal.
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I love how Roger never shows any emotion on court until the match is over. Made a double fault, np, next serve, ace. What a beast. And his backhands, them sexy backhands ... *orgasm*
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Taiwan619 Posts
just do lots of practice and you should be fine; the curve really is pretty generous
nadal ftw. how can you hate the man with capris?
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Shit...just took it and I don't think I got 800...fml I must be retarded...omitted two, one of them was the last problem, which I thought would take too long, so I skipped it to try and correct/check other problems, but I ended up finding nothing, as well as not getting the solution to the other omitted problem, and basically wasting my time. I should have just used the time to do the last problem, because it was apparently really easy....and I just figured out that the other omitted problem was really easy too...fuck this shit.
Omitted two means I can only miss three and hope for 800 with the most lenient of curves....aka the 44 raw score one...fucking shit I cannot believe this...was going to take phys and math, gave up physics, and now I'm not even sure whether I got 800 on this..damn it.
/end retard's bitch-fit
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The fourth set of the federer game was some of the best tennis i've watched in awhile.
He's still sooooo goooood.
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I think Federer still needs to do something about his BP conversions, but yeah. He's amazing. He missed tons of break point opportunities, so it was awesome that he managed to break Djokovic when Djokovic had set point in the 4th set.
I'm hoping Federer (somehow) wins the Fedal final. That would make my year. One characteristic of it is always 2897021487 unforced errors from Federer, and 3/128370 converted break point opportunities lol...he always gets break points, but loses them...but not tomorrow.
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I'm happy to see Federer win even though I was always a roddick fan since I played like him (huge serve and forehand, bad endurance T_T) but Federer was someone I always wanted to play like since his style was just a calm domination, watching him set up shots in his prime was absolutely amazing, coincidentally I watched the most tennis when I was in high school as well.
As for the SATIIs, I dunno if they still make you send every score if you want to just send one score, but if they do then wait a year and make sure you get 800, it's pretty important since I remember my year if you didn't get 800 you were like 92nd percentile or something pretty low.
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On June 05 2011 02:32 Count9 wrote:
I'm happy to see Federer win even though I was always a roddick fan since I played like him (huge serve and forehand, bad endurance T_T) but Federer was someone I always wanted to play like since his style was just a calm domination, watching him set up shots in his prime was absolutely amazing, coincidentally I watched the most tennis when I was in high school as well.
As for the SATIIs, I dunno if they still make you send every score if you want to just send one score, but if they do then wait a year and make sure you get 800, it's pretty important since I remember my year if you didn't get 800 you were like 92nd percentile or something pretty low.
Yeah....that's why I'm a complete retard...i.e. probably not 800...fuck.
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