• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:03
CEST 14:03
KST 21:03
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play0Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview8
Community News
[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)53ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo26Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 202611
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) HackErIsTop take on Patch 5.0.16 Possible bug in the new patch? ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted
Tourneys
INu's Battles#17 <BO.9> RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament GSL CK #4 20-21th June Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed
Brood War
General
[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool BSL Season 22 BW General Discussion STARCRAFT MOVIE - Last Night at the Command center
Tourneys
[BSL22] GosuLeague Casts - Tue & Thu 22:00 CEST [Megathread] Daily Proleagues CSLAN 4 is Coming! Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Relatively freeroll strategies Creating a full chart of Zerg builds
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Games for Kids Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo The Perfect Game
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread [H]Internet/Gaming Cafe Tips and Tricks The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How To Predict Tilt in Espor…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7109 users

Help with Game Improving Resources

Blogs > NeonSky
Post a Reply
NeonSky
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States46 Posts
June 03 2011 10:14 GMT
#1
Hello TL members,

I have been struggling to find ways to improve my game. Now, I should mention I'm a gold level protoss, so I have a lot of room for growth in my gameplay, but the problem is I don't really know where to start. I'm aware that the most common techniques for bettering your abilities are consistent practice, looking up build orders online or from professional replays, and watching VODs/streams/tournaments.

The problem is, I do not know where to find many of these resources. TeamLiquid doesn't have a replay section for starcraft 2 and the sites I have discovered do not seem to have an up to date or large list of professional replays, but instead usually have replays from random master league level players or below.

Another problem is with my build orders. I used to use liquipedia or other sites to find build orders. However, with the new 1.3.3 patch, and because the definition of what is standard play changes over time, I feel I no longer know any current solid BOs to practice anymore and need to find out a few safe and standard BOs for each match-up. Liquidpedia has become very out of date with its strategy section, and builds from other sites like sc2builds seem to have similar problems.

So, I'm turning toward the TL community because I figure you all know where the best resources can be found and that you may be willing to share them with me. Are there any good sites that have a decent amount of current professional replays? Also, where can I find protoss build orders that are standard for the new 1.3.3 patch? I'm sure a lot of you already know at least one current standard build per matchup for protoss as well, so if you would like to list and explain one for me instead, that would be greatly appreciated as well.

Sorry about these pretty nooby questions, please don't bash my ignorance, I just need a little assistance to point me in the right direction, so thanks if you want to help me.

OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
June 03 2011 10:24 GMT
#2
FGOmniEulogy.751 on NA.

msg me for GM/M protoss reps and build orders to practice / theory about em.

I'm not really sure where you could go to download other replays myself But I'm willing to help out a bit ^^
LiquidDota Staff
Marksman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Malaysia523 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 11:40:34
June 03 2011 11:40 GMT
#3
For sources of replays, do you have these?

SC2rep
SC2Rep.net

Regarding build orders, you can also talk to some of the pros that do livestream here. They or his fans can help out.
I live by the LoL
Garbonix
Profile Joined January 2009
5 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 11:51:36
June 03 2011 11:47 GMT
#4
Try going 8 pylon 10 gate and start the zealots for early game harass. Then rush for sentries, and if you're playing PvT get colosi quick or you're dead. If PvZ don't worry you'll win pretty easy.

User was warned for this post
Xsoild
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States121 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 12:50:47
June 03 2011 12:49 GMT
#5
the patch didnt really change much for solid build orders so just pick one for each match up. then your going to wanna work on one thing at a time.

EX. next 10 games i will only worry about building probes.
next 10 games i will only worry about not getting supply blocked.

this can go on and on with the little things. and make sure your gates are always making units when they can.

i really havent found one i like for PvT

PvZ 3 gate expo into collsi

PvP you can 3 gate robo or 4 gate.
Keep on trying
NeonSky
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States46 Posts
June 03 2011 19:45 GMT
#6
Thanks for your responses so far. OmniEulogy, I will definitely take you up on your offer.

Minuteman, that is exactly the kind of replay website I was looking for, awesome

Xsolid, I recognize the builds you listed but I don't know the specfic timings (on which supply to specifically build something, when to chronoboost, etc.) and I'm sure 4gate if not the other builds you listed have been changed somewhat from their pre-patch incarnations given you would have extra time from the warp gate nerf.

Is there somewhere to find the more detailed explanation of the build orders?
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
INu's Battles
11:30
INu's Battles#17
ByuN vs SHIN
IntoTheiNu 784
LiquipediaDiscussion
The PondCast
10:00
Episode 98
CranKy Ducklings43
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko351
LamboSC2 294
StateSC2 234
Ryung 141
SHIN 62
Rex 22
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 15858
Horang2 1440
Jaedong 625
Hyuk 403
Mini 342
Light 265
EffOrt 195
Zeus 163
Soma 158
Last 152
[ Show more ]
actioN 149
Soulkey 135
Leta 102
Snow 96
ggaemo 94
Pusan 84
Killer 82
Rush 63
Hyun 53
Liquid`Ret 49
ToSsGirL 48
Free 36
[sc1f]eonzerg 27
JYJ 26
scan(afreeca) 25
Aegong 23
Sharp 20
Hm[arnc] 16
JulyZerg 16
yabsab 10
Shine 8
Sacsri 7
Icarus 7
ajuk12(nOOB) 3
Dota 2
Dendi557
XcaliburYe41
League of Legends
Reynor54
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss1976
byalli392
Other Games
singsing1770
B2W.Neo668
crisheroes287
Sick212
Happy147
DeMusliM108
Pyrionflax103
Mew2King94
QueenE39
MindelVK2
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream7901
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 42
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH253
• StrangeGG 63
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP10
• iHatsuTV 9
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 6
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1834
Upcoming Events
OSC
4h 57m
MaxPax vs Percival
Solar vs ShoWTimE
Lambo vs Arrogfire
YoungYakov vs GgMaChine
Krystianer vs ArT
NightMare vs Iba
Douyu Cup 2020
16h 57m
Oliveira vs Trap
Jieshi vs XY
soO vs FanTaSy
TY vs Coffee
OSC
1d 3h
Douyu Cup 2020
1d 16h
Neeb vs Impact
MacSed vs Cyan
Scarlett vs Kelazhur
INnoVation vs Dear
Douyu Cup 2020
2 days
Maestros of the Game
3 days
herO vs Classic
Maru vs Serral
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
3 days
Douyu Cup 2020
3 days
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
4 days
Online Event
4 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
RSL Revival
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-06-19
WardiTV Spring 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 1
SCTL 2026 Spring
Maestros of the Game 2
Murky Cup 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026

Upcoming

CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
BCC 2026
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
Heroes Pulsing #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.