Spanish or French? (pic) - Page 2

On May 11 2011 07:49 MoltkeWarding wrote:
Naturally Spanish is more widespread; you can usually hear a Hispanophone speaking from across your building, usually uttering four times as many words as a normal person, while producing a tenth of his semantic content. Not that I generally get talking with them, as they are always eyeing the nearest blonde girl in the pub. I don't know what they say in Spanish, but the French call a certain kind of person a dragueur, which I think is the rule rather than the exception in Latin America.

Tell her to learn French.

Last time I checked, racism/massive generalization is not really welcome here.

To the OP: It is incredibly silly and borderline racist to think of french as a "first-world language" and spanish as something else...

So you bring up past occurences of xenophobia why exactly? I can bring up any number of quotes by Nietzsche that show misogyny, does that make it correct, or for that matter welcome on teamliquid?

As to the question of GDP, I am not entirely sure how you are defining "roughly equivalent", but the spanish speaking world has an extremely high capacity for development, at least in the short term. Much higher than the french speaking world.

On May 11 2011 08:55 MoltkeWarding wrote:


By all means, but to rid the world of misogyny, would you have to filter out of our literary cannon Homer, Aescylus, Sophocles, Euripides, Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, Cervantes (what books would there be in Spanish then??), Milton, Shakespeare, Pope, Byron, Kipling, etc and so on. All megalomaniacs. There is a generalisation for you. Of generalisers you are by far the greater and more practiced. I only bound people into behavioural categories. You bind all categories into a single negative moral category. Talk about the sinner casting the stone!

At some point in our "critical" civilization, people ceased possessing the ability to refute other people. Now they no longer care whether a statement is true or not, as long as it is the acceptable kind of statement to make. Put a little effort into it; the OP asked for a propaganda war of French vs Spanish.

The only argument on the Hispanic side is "More people speak Spanish."

Now, I'm sorry to say, but if you are silly enough to accept such a case, there is no argument which one can make in favour of French except ones which are racist by your definition.

Claim French pedigree in culture, academics, or prestige? Racist. Claim that Francophones generally have higher standards of living? True, but racist. France as the more prolific tourist venue? Probably also racist. Haute Cuisine? Racist.

In other words, there is one argument that needs consideration: demographics. Every other one is either meaninglessly subjective, or racist.



Yes, yes. In the time-horizon of eternity, every person will become on average as productive as any other.

I am talking about OBJECTIVE facts regarding the usefulness of spanish versus french in practical pursuits(i.e. business) It is undeniable that in the SHORT term, not some "horizon of eternity" that more industry and wealth is/will be circulating in the spanish speaking world than the french-speaking world.

Cultures cannot be ordered... especially when the only distinction being made is language.

You are living in the wrong century moltke... and not in a good way.

The only person in this thread who is discussing the "superiority" of language/culture is you. The rest of us are either talking about practical usefulness OR have stated that it is wholly a personal choice.

On May 11 2011 08:21 Cloud wrote:
France is also an old country. With it's birth rate barely above the mortality rate. Most of latin america is young countries in potency.

On May 11 2011 09:36 FFGenerations wrote:
do most french speaking peoples also speak english? how does that compare to spanish speakers?

On May 11 2011 07:45 Cloud wrote:
Bleh, her reasons for preferring French are annoying and nonsensical (why would you go speak French where there are almost no French speakers?). If she wants to miss out on the bigger amounts of literature, cinema, theater, music, culture, etc. from Spanish speaking countries then French is fine. As for which is harder, I'd say that at least Spanish orthography makes more sense (I know enough French to read books comfortably).

On May 11 2011 08:27 Duoma wrote:
This statement of yours now seems incredibly ironic "usually uttering four times as many words as a normal person, while producing a tenth of his semantic content." Perhaps you should take your own advice.

On May 12 2011 06:29 aqui wrote:

Laughable, i don't know whether this is even true for contemporary Art.
France is an examplarily High Culture with an intellectual and cultural output that, summed up over the last centuries, is simply situated in other categories than the spanish one.

On May 11 2011 08:12 MoltkeWarding wrote:


Anyway, how do you expect a person to answer the question French vs Spanish without a little racism here and there?

On May 11 2011 09:36 FFGenerations wrote:
do most french speaking peoples also speak english? how does that compare to spanish speakers?