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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24730 Posts
April 25 2011 00:38 GMT
#1
Which of the following statements do you think are racist?

#1
I don't like white people. They are mean to me.


+ Show Spoiler [#1 Poll] +
Poll: #1 Racist?

Yes (144)
 
68%

No (50)
 
24%

Don't know / Depends (17)
 
8%

211 total votes

Your vote: #1 Racist?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Don't know / Depends



#2
Those damn Koreans practice sc so much it's unfair. They prioritize sc over more important things.


+ Show Spoiler [#2 Poll] +
Poll: #2 Racist?

No (113)
 
55%

Yes (64)
 
31%

Not Sure / Depends (28)
 
14%

205 total votes

Your vote: #2 Racist?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Not Sure / Depends



#3
Women aren't capable of running big businesses. They make fine lower managers but can't handle the demands of upper management.


+ Show Spoiler [#2 Poll] +
Poll: #3 Racist?

No (156)
 
79%

Yes (39)
 
20%

Don't know / Depends (2)
 
1%

197 total votes

Your vote: #3 Racist?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Don't know / Depends






I will now address the following:

  1. What is/isn't racism
  2. What problem do I perceive about the topic of racism


What is Racism?

According to dictionary.com:

a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others


From Wikipedia:

Racism is the belief that the genetic factors that constitute race, ethnicity, or nationality are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that ethnic differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. Racism's effects are called "racial discrimination."


According to a random pocket dictionary I grabbed off a nearby bookshelf:

belief in the superiority of a particular race


Finally, we should answer the question: what is race?

large group of people with common ancestry and inherited physical characteristics


Based on those definitions (which vary slightly but are pretty similar) racism is a belief (conscious or not) that genetic differences among races determine their superiority or inferiority. The reason why I say 'genetic' differences is because people share the same physical characteristics if they have similar genetics... and they have similar genetics if they have a common ancestry.

I believe I can illustrate what is and what isn't racism by referring to a scene from A Raisin in the Sun. I haven't actually read the whole thing but I'll summarize the important part the best I can. An African American family (the Youngers) is going to move into a working class all-white neighborhood. The improvement association of that new neighborhood sends a representative (played by the voice actor of piglet in the movie actually), Karl Lindner, to attempt to bribe the family to choose not to move into the new neighborhood.

The fact that the association didn't want the black family to move in was discrimination. Clearly, the Youngers were being discriminated against. If they were white I'm guessing they wouldn't have been urged to change their minds about moving in. Is Karl Lindner a racist? The answer cannot be determined just from the information I have shared so far. As it turns out, Karl Lindner, despite being polite and honest (not what you'd expect a stereotypical racist to be) believes that the Youngers are inferior people. He has sympathy for them and doesn't blame them for it, but thinks they don't have the same capabilities as the white people he represents. This makes him a racist. It was not racist to bribe the black family to avoid moving into the neighborhood; it was racist to believe that their people are different. Of course those two things aren't completely unrelated and I won't try to claim that. The racist view is inspiring the discrimination (but racism and discrimination are not even remotely the same thing).

What problem do I perceive regarding the topic of racism?

A lot of people are just plain confused about what racism is. This is a very politically charged issue which makes it that much harder to educate people who are confused. If you say anything which doesn't imply an alignment with the believe that

<anything insensitive to a group of people> = racism = you are evil

then you are being a "racist." Good luck trying to explain to someone in public that something technically wasn't racist...

There is a scene in Family Guy I'm reminded of but can't find a clip of offhand (someone help me here!). Peter accidentally swallows his cell phone. When he hears the phone ringing he punches his stomach to accept the call, and everyone standing near him can hear the person on the other end of the call. While Peter is standing on a sidewalk a black couple happens to be standing near him. He suddenly gets a call from Quagmire (this is from memory):

Quagmire: Hey peter, guess what? I just had sex with a black chick!
Peter: UHHH Quagmire SHHHH <eying black couple>
Black Woman: What? He just said black chick.

Peter's reaction seems ridiculous but it's actually quite understandable because everyone is so paranoid about this issue (and obviously Family Guy is criticizing this popular viewpoint since it's ridiculous). It would be nice to live in a society where it was okay to say things about race, gender, etc, without having to worry as long as these statements weren't actually racist, weren't actually inappropriate stereotypes, and weren't actually discriminatory.




Results of the Polls: I don't know exactly what to expect but I'll just point out my thinking for each question.

#1: There is no evidence of racism in the statement. A lot of people think not liking a group of people of a certain race or from a certain country or region is automatically racism. It's not good to have such a belief but it's not racism.

#2: This isn't racism... it isn't a good statement to make but it isn't racism.

#3: A lot of you probably laughed at the ridiculousness of this example, but I think you'd be surprised how often the word racist gets abused so badly that even statements like these get thought of as being racist. Ironically this one is the closest to racist of the three examples though: it's sexist. I guess we could start this thread over again on the topic of sexism but it might not be necessary if you already get the idea of what I'm saying.

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Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
April 25 2011 00:43 GMT
#2
Who voted #3 as racism seriously O_o.
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RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
April 25 2011 00:45 GMT
#3
Its only bad if you treat people differently because of it.
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Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
April 25 2011 00:46 GMT
#4
i always thought some of these claims of racism were bs because they lacked that superiority/inferiority element. i like this one, micronesia
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Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
April 25 2011 00:47 GMT
#5
On April 25 2011 09:43 Megaliskuu wrote:
Who voted #3 as racism seriously O_o.


I did, thought it said black women :/
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phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 00:49:42
April 25 2011 00:48 GMT
#6
They are all racist, but it's only natural human reaction. Being "racist" is such a taboo thing nowadays, so that we automatically condemn it to a terrible thing, but it shouldn't be. However, prejudice (involving action that directly affects the person in question) is a different issue and some of it should definitely be condemned.
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Kashll
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1117 Posts
April 25 2011 00:50 GMT
#7
Sorry but the first one is racist.
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The_LiNk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada863 Posts
April 25 2011 00:54 GMT
#8
Isn't the third one Sexist?
Armathai
Profile Joined October 2007
1023 Posts
April 25 2011 00:58 GMT
#9
The explanation of racism is all fine and dandy, however I do feel it's being overly technical in terms of definition.
Of course I'd say the last question isn't about racism but about sexism. However, don't you feel that stereotyping and prejudice in general should have a better overarching terminology so we don't need 15words to describe the above situations?
Sure it'd be incorrect to call someone a racist for making comments #1 & #2, however calling them prejudiced is fine, even though it might be a racist thought-process as to why the comments were made in the first place.
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24730 Posts
April 25 2011 01:01 GMT
#10
On April 25 2011 09:48 phosphorylation wrote:
They are all racist, but it's only natural human reaction. Being "racist" is such a taboo thing nowadays, so that we automatically condemn it to a terrible thing, but it shouldn't be. However, prejudice (involving action that directly affects the person in question) is a different issue and some of it should definitely be condemned.

I think you have the right idea but I don't see how they are all racist.

On April 25 2011 09:50 Kashll wrote:
Sorry but the first one is racist.

According to what definition of racism? Not the ones I provided...

On April 25 2011 09:54 The_LiNk wrote:
Isn't the third one Sexist?

Yes, I say that at the bottom of the original post.

On April 25 2011 09:58 Armathai wrote:
The explanation of racism is all fine and dandy, however I do feel it's being overly technical in terms of definition.
Of course I'd say the last question isn't about racism but about sexism. However, don't you feel that stereotyping and prejudice in general should have a better overarching terminology so we don't need 15words to describe the above situations?
Sure it'd be incorrect to call someone a racist for making comments #1 & #2, however calling them prejudiced is fine, even though it might be a racist thought-process as to why the comments were made in the first place.

You're probably right. I don't have a proposal for how to solve all of our social and language issues with insensitivity to groups of people.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada239 Posts
April 25 2011 01:02 GMT
#11

Racism is the belief that the genetic factors that constitute race, ethnicity, or nationality are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities...


Isn't the first example using people being white as the reason they are mean to him ?
Snoyarc
Profile Joined January 2011
United States101 Posts
April 25 2011 01:02 GMT
#12
On April 25 2011 09:54 The_LiNk wrote:
Isn't the third one Sexist?



Yes, Yes it is, but for some reason people love to generalize racism and sexism under one thing.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24730 Posts
April 25 2011 01:04 GMT
#13
On April 25 2011 10:02 ~_~ wrote:
Show nested quote +

Racism is the belief that the genetic factors that constitute race, ethnicity, or nationality are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities...


Isn't the first example using people being white as the reason they are mean to him ?

Not necessarily. If you are not white, and every white person you have ever met has been mean to you, then while you are technically morally wrong to say you dislike white people as a result, it's not necessarily racism. In order for it to be racism you would have to believe that it is an inherent rather than cultural quality of the white people that makes them mean to you (not that this isn't possible).
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Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 01:05:04
April 25 2011 01:04 GMT
#14
sort of related

Diglett
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
600 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 01:07:17
April 25 2011 01:05 GMT
#15
People actually voted yes on the first question? I see absolutely no sign of racism in there! Ignorant generalization has not much to do with being racist.

Maybe those were lots of troll votes but I would seriously laugh out loud if someone actually thought the first statement was racist.

"I don't like white people. I am Asian and Asian people are genetically, culturally, inherently and supercalifragilisticly superior to white people in all ways."

maybe consider that racist.
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 01:05:58
April 25 2011 01:05 GMT
#16
Neither of those comments are racist. The third one is sexist. The first one seems racist, but it's not. It's just generalizing. If it was something such as "I hate white people, those fucking Nazi's have a problem with every race not their own" Then we might be getting somewhere. But as the first statement currently stands, it's not racist.
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3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
April 25 2011 01:05 GMT
#17
On April 25 2011 09:47 Dalguno wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 09:43 Megaliskuu wrote:
Who voted #3 as racism seriously O_o.


I did, thought it said black women :/

lol
i think im a horrible person i substituted "black women" in place of "women" in the sentence and reread it and lol'd
redoxx
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States333 Posts
April 25 2011 01:06 GMT
#18
Could you put one in that is actually racist for an example?
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Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
April 25 2011 01:16 GMT
#19
On April 25 2011 10:06 redoxx wrote:
Could you put one in that is actually racist for an example?


'white people are inferior to asian people'
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17264 Posts
April 25 2011 01:25 GMT
#20
Nice to know we're splitting hairs over racism vs sexism.
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