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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
April 21 2011 14:04 GMT
#21
On April 21 2011 23:02 ondik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2011 22:59 Boblion wrote:
On April 21 2011 22:58 ondik wrote:
On April 21 2011 22:44 Boblion wrote:
On April 21 2011 21:52 ondik wrote:
On April 21 2011 19:31 Boblion wrote:
On April 21 2011 19:28 shurgen wrote:
On April 21 2011 19:01 leetchaos wrote:
On April 21 2011 16:46 CDRdude wrote:
On April 21 2011 16:38 Mikilatov wrote:
Hm, I wonder how 'predominant influence' is determined.

I mean, if you were really good at psychology/reading people, you could perhaps turn the 33.33333% chances in rock paper scissors to 34-35%, or something. If the odds were set on 33.33333%, you could effectively have an 'predominant influence' on winning in such a game.

I feel that I have to bring this up:
In 2008, Sean "Wicked Fingers" Sears beat out 300 other contestants and walked out of the Mandalay Bay Hotel & Casino with $50,000 after defeating Julie "Bulldog" Crossley in the finals.

from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock-paper-scissors#Tournaments

The amount of cash involved in this melts my mind.


Someone has to win. The question is can the same people win or make it to the final rounds with reliability.


Well just looking at the link, it appears that some of the same players do keep on winning.

I personally believe that RPS is a `skill` game at the higher levels, although it is definitely of the most luck-affected games out there.

Some people win twice at the lottery in their life. Are they skilled or just lucky ?

If you are saying there's no skill involved in RPS you are quite clueless. It's like saying to a poker reg when he makes continuation bet with nothing against passive fish that it's pure luck that he won. There are different suequences, strategies, tells, ways to force either of RPS etc. Of course, if you play randomly, you are guaranteed to have 50/50 w/l ratio in long run, but this fact doesn't matter at all as at RPS tournaments everyone plays to win.

I'm clueless really ?
Dude you are the one comparing poker to RPS
LOL.

No, I compared one specific situation, is it so hard to understand?

I think you need to learn some maths sorry.

WTF has to do with anything? I need to learn maths to know I should probably conbet into passive fish? Really?

I have no idea why you are talking about poker. What is an RPS passive fish ?
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
April 21 2011 14:22 GMT
#22
conbet=continuation bet, you may have heard about it.

There's no such thing as passive fish in RPS, but as I said, there are certain sequences that people does and it's quite easy to exploit it if you know the sequences and know how to react (ideally you can ignore one of RPS what leaves you either with draw or win). You also adjust your strategy to history you have with your opponent, you can find certain patterns he does and use it to win. That's the same as if you play HU in poker and have a read on your opponent - let's say you know that when he bets flop, check-raises turn, and allins river, he's bluffing most of the time, then you can use this knowledge and exploit it (and beat him).
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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-21 15:34:54
April 21 2011 15:28 GMT
#23
Poker is sequential game with multiple options.
( different positions, different hands, bets etc... ).
I don't know how it is related to RPS.


Also even if you try to find some patterns it will takes you an incredible ammount of data to be sure that your opponent is more likely to pick R, P or S.
And as i said before...

On April 21 2011 19:19 Boblion wrote:
Also even if you have a data base the other player could also know his own tendencies and play the exact opposite if there is money on the line.

fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
des
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States507 Posts
April 21 2011 15:35 GMT
#24
On April 21 2011 22:59 Boblion wrote:
I think you need to learn some maths sorry.


now I'm curious what your math background is
my larvae bring all the zerg to the yard
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-21 15:55:30
April 21 2011 15:42 GMT
#25
On April 22 2011 00:35 des wrote:
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On April 21 2011 22:59 Boblion wrote:
I think you need to learn some maths sorry.


now I'm curious what your math background is

Undergrad stuff, you don't need a Ph.D to understand that RPS is all about luck


Edit: also if you are worried about making "patterns" just bring a dice with you.
Now you are invincible in the long term !
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
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