Hey guys, wanted to make this post asking for feedback on my recent casting of the TSL 3.
What I'm looking for is your honest opinion on how I work with the two people I've cast with so far (Chill and DJWheat <3) and the pros/cons of each of those casting duos.
I also have recently cast with Day9 (which people have started calling 'k9') on the PAX series on my YouTube channel. I will post it below so you can leave feedback on that as I assume it will be similar when him and I cast next week.
Please keep in mind my style of casting is NOT super analytical. It never has been, it never will be, and is simply not my style of casting games. I see myself as flavor to a cast and am just there to have fun/trip balls when exciting things happen.
Things I'm looking for:
1) Feedback on how I work with the other casters. 2) Feedback on what you like and what you cringe at every time I do it. 3) Any recommendations/suggestions you have for making the cast more enjoyable for you. 4) How do you feel watching the LiveStream vs VODs. During a LIVE event are you finding yourself excited or frustrated?
Things I am not looking for:
1) Biased remarks/bandwagoners from people who have not actually watched all the series of the TSL that I've cast. 2) Random insults that have nothing to do with the entertainment value of my casting.
I do actually read the feedback around the internet a lot but would prefer to have it in one place where you know your input is being heard.
gotta say, I was really impressed by your PAX casting. Your TSL casting has been pretty good as well.
One thing that would be awesome imo is if you started casting like Klazart (500 wpm). I think it'd fit your fun style, and you'd be able to "trip balls" during games.
Hi Husky. In your first cast with DJWheat It seemed like you never gave him a chance to talk. I think it would be best If you slowed down and let the other person talk. Recently I've been seeing on person solo talking in dual casts and the other one will usually do some interjection like "WOW! look at that drop" and then it goes back and forth. I think best way of casting is to ask the other caster questions about the game like "What do you think he will go for after this expand Wheat?". Just some thoughts, but I really enjoy your analysis and enthusiasm for the game
Not bad at all imo. I think you and chill complement each other well. I was sceptical about you and wheat casting at first because I really prefer the super analytical type (or I though I did), but TSL has pretty much changed my mind and I've enjoyed every single one of the duo's so far. Keep it up basically.
It'd be really great if you go to pinnaclesports early in the week before your next cast and see what the objective opinions are of people actually putting money on the games are. I can't remember whether it was you or Chill commenting on Tyler/Thorzain being a huge upset in today's pregame, but if you looked at the prices you'd see that Thorzain was more than a solid 60/40 favourite.
I would have to say you do a good job. When i watched MLG Dallas i noticed Day and DJ would unintentionally step on each others toes during the commentary. Day 9 gives the 'mmhmm...mmhmm.....mmhmm', Today TSL3 I didn't hear any commentary problems real smooth information/commentary. I figure Day is just really used to talking for a whole hour nonstop in his analysis.
The more you work with the other casters and not being solo like your channel you will probably get a good feel on when the other caster is talking or about to talk. Its probably a lot easier when your sitting next to the person too...Imho i think the status of your casts are good quality and not much to complain about.
I don't mean to offend, All the commentators do a great job. Thumbs up! Thank you for constant strive for improvement.
First, I greatly enjoy your casting, I think you do a good job, I certainly could not do better, and I want you to keep up the awesome work.
My only complaint with your work at the TSL 3 is that you seem to cast in the same style there as you do when you are casting solo. I'm not sure of the reason (perhaps technical, perhaps just lack experience with the other person) but your casting in the TSL 3, to me, seems like you are sort of casting in Tag Team Wrestling style. I find this especially apparent when you cast with DJ Wheat. One of you would solo cast, do play by play type stuff, and after what felt like 30 seconds or a minute you'd "tag out" and the other person would do the same. There didn't seem to be much working together. One caster's turn to play by play for a while and then the other.
This style is in contrast to many other caster duos who bounce off each other. One does the play by play but leaves openings and is prepared for the other to inject remarks. Both casters bounce off each other and elaborate on the other's points. Kind of like two wrestler's jumping into the ring and double teaming one guy -- it's really effective.
I don't really have too much to comment, but I will say that I enjoyed your TSL3 casting today a lot more than usual.
While you've never been my favorite caster or anything, your style is great and is always interesting/entertaining. My biggest issue has always been the fact that you REALLY like to talk (haha), and because of this you tend to have some pretty impressive 1-3 minute runs of speedy 'all over the place' commentary, but I felt there was a lot less of that today. I'm assuming that's primarily just a function of the fact that you normally aren't co-casting. You definitely worked with your co-caster much better today than in previous TSL casts.
Keep it up, and it's great to see you're actively trying to improve. =)
You do a pretty good job of masking your lack of knowledge about the game, but you'd get a lot less bad rep if you'd talk [learn] about the game rather than explain what is happening on the most rudimentary level. Your voice isn't always ear-friendly and exhausting listening to for more than an hour. Realizing this isn't your "job" in the strictest sense, your fame alone warrants fixing some things like these -_-
It's not just you of course, but generally casters say some things way too often: I'm excited to see what will happen. It will be interesting to see how this works out etc
I know it's hard to refrain from saying them, and it's not like you should never say it, but I feel it's just said far too often, and those statements are obviously a given. Of course it's going to be exciting/interesting to see what happens; it always is.
Other than phrases you and other casters say that I think are just filler/overused, I personally like a deep analysis instead of the style you seem to have. I know you said it's something you don't plan on changing, but I just prefer a heavy Day[9] analysis style.
It has been good but there is just a couple things that are bothering.
I just feel like your knowledge of current events with tournaments such as the gsl is very limited. For instance in MC's first round you refereed to him making it to the semi final in the GSL before, when he had won it. In other sports the casters must be keeping up with the current events, and it just seemed silly that a popular caster didn't know these very well known facts.
I've enjoyed your commentary so far, although I have to agree with some of the other that sometimes in your casts it sounds more like a double solo cast than a casting team working together. The last time I'd listened to one of your commentaries was in beta and I was surprised at how much you've seemed to have improved your game knowledge. If you can go further on that path and learn more about the game, I'd enjoy your commentary even more.
edit: and that doesn't necessarily mean becoming an analytical caster. Tasteless was never an analytical caster even in BW where he knew what he was talking about. You could still be your super-excited self, but you'd know better on what to focus and what to be excited for. :p
I think you've really improved in these past few months as far as game knowledge. I just feel that a few of your statements may be a bit misguided (usually only fixable through more game play, but you're pretty busy :O) It really annoys me when TSL casters don't have their replays lined up though >< Viewers can't get excited merely through great play, It also takes energy from a caster. Extremely hard to become excited when a caster's energy kicks in a few seconds after the action has already started/ is finished. Maybe try giving each other audio hints as to where you are in the game and slow/down speed up your replays accordingly?
On April 11 2011 06:34 OmniscientSC2 wrote: I think you've really improved in these past few months as far as game knowledge. I just feel that a few of your statements may be a bit misguided (usually only fixable through more game play, but you're pretty busy :O) It really annoys me when TSL casters don't have their replays lined up though >< Viewers can't get excited merely through great play, It also takes energy from a caster. Extremely hard to become excited when a caster's energy kicks in a few seconds after the action has already started/ is finished. Maybe try giving each other audio hints as to where you are in the game and slow/down speed up your replays accordingly?
We have a program that tells us if our replays are synced or not.
On April 11 2011 06:20 Grobyc wrote: It's not just you of course, but generally casters say some things way too often: I'm excited to see what will happen. It will be interesting to see how this works out etc
I know it's hard to refrain from saying them, and it's not like you should never say it, but I feel it's just said far too often, and those statements are obviously a given. Of course it's going to be exciting/interesting to see what happens; it always is.
Other than phrases you and other casters say that I think are just filler/overused, I personally like a deep analysis instead of the style you seem to have. I know you said it's something you don't plan on changing, but I just prefer a heavy Day[9] analysis style.
I have to concur with this. When continuously talking there will be some phrases that crop up repeatedly, but they don't always function well as filler. I would analyze just some of the filler things you often say and think about whether they actually make sense. - or not just phrases, but also sentence construction. I know you can't write in a way that appears scripted, unless you actually script it, but some sentence have a kind of weird 'passive construction' to them (don't know the English term for it), like the example above. "It appears there might be some kind of rush possibly happening, where some of the units are going to be attacking."
I would also avoid acknowledging mistakes during the cast, or making too many self-deprecating remarks, as it makes viewers start to doubt your comments. Obviously, you will often be wrong about a lot of things as it's just hard to predict what's going to happen, but if you delve into that too deeply it's like you don't trust yourself to inform the viewer and for me that can get annoying.
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