• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 10:28
CET 16:28
KST 00:28
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !10Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15
StarCraft 2
General
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Micro Lags When Playing SC2? When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress
Brood War
General
Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings Anyone remember me from 2000s Bnet EAST server? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
[BSL21] LB QuarterFinals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum PC Games Sales Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1771 users

Starcraft 2 n00b ep 21 - Good execution, bad plan

Blogs > KingOctavious
Post a Reply
KingOctavious
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States324 Posts
March 30 2011 19:51 GMT
#1
Man, I am in a huge SC2 rut. I can’t remember the last game I won on the ladder (luckily, I’ve only been playing two or three games a day). Most of the games, I’ve been rolling Terran, so, naturally, that’s the race that I’ve been the most frustrated with lately. Here is but one example of my failings as Terran.

I go for a three rax against Protoss, having recently tried various other builds to my detriment. Anticipating stalkers with a transition to colossi, I go heavy on marauders with concussive shells. My build and timing is nearly perfect. I have no build delays over a second or two, and I move out with ten units (6 marauders, 4 marines) while I expand, build a factory, and pump out some more marines behind the push.

I get to the other guy’s base, walk up the ramp (marauders-first), and am greeted by four zealots backed by a number of stalkers. The zealots begin shredding the marauders to pieces while the stalkers provide some supporting fire. Stupidly, I don’t back off, even though I have concussive shells. My entire army is wiped out at the expense of a measly two zealots.

He then moves out to counterattack. I’m thinking “Blunder rule, blunder rule. I’ll be able to hold him off” — the rule Day[9] referred to about waiting for a certain amount of blunders before you all-out attack your opponent. But it didn’t even matter. He so efficiently decimated my army that not even my near-constant marine production during my attack could hold off his forces — especially when the colossus arrived.

Here is the replay with commentary:



Lessons learned:

1. It’s rarely a good idea to push early against Protoss, for various reasons, but if you do, you gotta scan the base before waltzing in.

2. For goodness’ sake, if your marauders (with concussive shells, no less) are getting torn to pieces by zealots, RETREAT!

3. The blunder rule doesn’t applied if your blunder is actually an uber-fail.

Check out my book, The Year in StarCraft II: 2011, http://yearinsc2.com/ :D:D
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19180 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 20:07:29
March 30 2011 20:01 GMT
#2
Marine before OC.

Also, the Stim Nerf has hit this timing quite hard (but you didn't get stim early enough at all). You also picked up on the not scouting bit, which would have saved you a lot of headache. Starting stim when you got your first Tech Lab may have been a good idea.

Microing that last Marauder was probably not a good idea either. You could have go back to your base and done other macro-y things.

Also, when you saw him moving out you should have put down a couple bunkers at the top of your ramp.

And also, SCV at the watch tower early on. Scout his base, move to watch tower.
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
Falcon_NL
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands236 Posts
March 30 2011 20:18 GMT
#3
that blunder rule applies for the blunders your opponent make. Not your own blunders, that would be dumb as fuck xD
and its a BLACK HOLE !! OH MY GOD BLACK HOOOOLEEE - Tobi Wan
KingOctavious
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States324 Posts
March 31 2011 02:54 GMT
#4
On March 31 2011 05:18 Falcon_NL wrote:
that blunder rule applies for the blunders your opponent make. Not your own blunders, that would be dumb as fuck xD


Lol, I know. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that. I meant that I saw my opponent coming after me after I made one blunder, so I thought that HE was making a blunder rule mistake. I thought, "Well, I've only made one blunder, and now he's moving out to attack me, so I should be able to hold him off." I was basically applying it in reverse and coming to the conclusion that I would be okay.
Check out my book, The Year in StarCraft II: 2011, http://yearinsc2.com/ :D:D
KingOctavious
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States324 Posts
March 31 2011 02:56 GMT
#5
On March 31 2011 05:01 tofucake wrote:
Marine before OC.

Also, the Stim Nerf has hit this timing quite hard (but you didn't get stim early enough at all). You also picked up on the not scouting bit, which would have saved you a lot of headache. Starting stim when you got your first Tech Lab may have been a good idea.

Microing that last Marauder was probably not a good idea either. You could have go back to your base and done other macro-y things.

Also, when you saw him moving out you should have put down a couple bunkers at the top of your ramp.

And also, SCV at the watch tower early on. Scout his base, move to watch tower.


Yeah, I wasn't really trying to have stim at that first attack. That's why I went for the concussive shells first. But maybe you're right. I might have been better off going stim first and holding back my first push a little longer.

I do actually move my SCV to the watchtower after scouting, too. Obviously I need to work on doing that more consistently.

Good point about pulling the marauder all the way back and focusing on macro. That micro really didn't help a bit and just pulled my attention away from other things.
Check out my book, The Year in StarCraft II: 2011, http://yearinsc2.com/ :D:D
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV 2025
11:00
Championship Sunday
Classic vs SHINLIVE!
TBD vs Clem
WardiTV2496
ComeBackTV 1832
TaKeTV 660
Rex169
CosmosSc2 104
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Rex 169
CosmosSc2 104
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 5151
Rain 3017
Horang2 1485
Shuttle 1447
EffOrt 965
GuemChi 696
Soma 556
Stork 527
Light 487
firebathero 280
[ Show more ]
hero 275
ggaemo 201
Last 176
Hyun 154
Rush 153
Mini 124
Sharp 123
Bonyth 91
Barracks 75
soO 67
Movie 45
Yoon 35
ToSsGirL 30
Killer 28
HiyA 22
910 19
Terrorterran 15
zelot 15
SilentControl 9
Dota 2
Gorgc6786
singsing4128
qojqva2327
Pyrionflax280
syndereN10
Counter-Strike
allub161
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor492
Liquid`Hasu293
Other Games
B2W.Neo1918
DeMusliM450
Hui .397
Fuzer 304
Liquid`VortiX113
Mew2King109
KnowMe106
ArmadaUGS29
Organizations
Other Games
PGL929
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 14
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HeavenSC 9
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• HappyZerGling80
League of Legends
• Jankos2859
Upcoming Events
Ladder Legends
1h 32m
BSL 21
4h 32m
StRyKeR vs TBD
Bonyth vs TBD
Replay Cast
17h 32m
Wardi Open
20h 32m
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 1h
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS3
RSL Offline Finals
Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 1
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.