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Sorry, I only have 14 posts before 20k so I had to register this new account to address some of the replies.
On March 29 2011 20:02 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +User was temp banned for this post.
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Mod note: user was banned for stating he would be banned (martyring), not for his criticism. to my opinion, this user wasnt "martyring" to draw attention to his post, but expressing his fear of beeing banned as a result of posting. While i do not believe, that his concerns were true, i would say the expression of this sentiment clearly is. Ironically you supported his notion in a twisted way by banning him. So im just asking myself, would it have been wiser, to not ban him and thusly proving him wrong?
Martyring is stupid which is why TL has a zero tolerance policy on it. Writing "I'll probably be banned for this" is a way for someone to write something offensive with the idea that moderators can't ban him or else they'd prove him right. It also implied pretty strongly that moderators can't understand which posts deserve action and which don't.
In order to sidestep this situation completely, we ban/warn everyone who martyrs.
On March 29 2011 22:24 Ghanburighan wrote:
Shameful of Chill to ridicule eoLithic for making a constructive polite post. I agree with eoLithic, the casting was no fun to listen because there was very little commentary on the games. I know one should hype up the players, but Chill proceeded to hype up anti-korea anger. This also fed into making the LR thread horrible, almost unreadable.
TL goes from professional (having active mods and Nazgul saying that "I'm taking care of my people.") to being a bunch of friends having ... and giggles in a heartbeat.
I hyped up the anti-Korean storyline because it's exciting. People had been saying that Koreans would dominate the TSL, and that they shouldn't be invited to the NASL because they would win it too easily. It's probably the most prominent storyline of all the TSL.
If you don't agree, then post that in the TSL Feedback thread. Opening a new thread for something like that is ridiculous. And read his tone. Some of the statements I can't even understand what he's getting at. Look:
The skill gap seemed to dissapear after an hour of Chill talking exclusively about how the foreigners are finally almost, if not as good as the koreans. This isn't true.
Now, the foreigners played great do not get me wrong and so did the koreans, but there were no mercy for the koreans what so ever and the commentators, especially Chill made huge assumptions after every single engagement and/or match concerning the skill gap betweem the scenes being crushed. This also isn't true.
And I could go on and on pasting quotes. The exaggeration to prove his opinion is so ridiculous that it can only be responded to with equally ridiculous exaggeration.
If his criticism was accurate and fair, then I would have loved to receive it. I've read through the TSL Caster Feedback thread at least a dozen times. But it's not accurate at all. It's exaggerated to prove his post, which triggered my exaggerated response.
On March 29 2011 22:29 Fushin wrote:
I liked the commentaries as they were, but i dislike this answer by Chill : being neutral is not the same as being bad. Professional casters try as hard as they can to be as neutral as possible to avoid offending anyone, but it doesn't prevent them from commentating and being excited about nice actions.
And why the answer anyway ? He was biaised, he should just embrace it or ignore the criticism (i think the vast majority of viewers where rooting for non koreans, for their own reasons).
I'm neither a professional caster nor a professional poster. Neither are my career. That being said, being TL staff and a caster of TSL certainly holds me to a higher standard, but certainly not the same standard as a professional broadcaster. Professionalism is dictated by viewers, producers, and sponsors. If I can be myself without alienating a significant portion of those three groups, then I will. I don't think this crossed that line.
On March 30 2011 00:07 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 23:50 Sablar wrote:
Seems like a strange thing to complain about.
Like the video pointed out a neutral caster really wouldn't care much about the game. When the home team (= pretty much non-korea) is winning from an underdog position I would expect emotion from that. Much like a swedish football commentator would be biased towards sweden and so on.
Anyway I didn't even think about bias when I watched it. Like anything it can become too much but I don't remember it anyway. Then how come professional sports casters aren't biased towards one team if it isn't a world cup or the olympics? I've never seen a sports caster favor barcelona over real madrid, that's how many feel about it. I love White-Ra or HuK but those guys and i have nothing in common beside not being korean. I guess some people have a problem with the whole "us vs them" thing, i really don't feel like a better person just cause people from my part of the world win games against people who live in a different part of the world.
I don't feel the same responsibility as a professional sports caster because I am not a professional Starcraft caster. Sorry if that offends you.
I also don't feel happy when Canadians win at Starcraft, but I do feel happy when Koreans lose. To understand this, you have to have been part of the Brood War comunity.
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ahahaha retarded shit like this is why i love chill (among a couple other things)
Chill, you're awesome man 
edit: dude, stop being so nice and making too much sense, it is known to many of us that your soul was extracted from a fluffy panda bear, and while it's always touching to see how much you actually care, haters smell weakness a mile away.
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CHILL:
The silent majority is the happy majority. I'd like to speak in behalf of the silent majority, we love the games. we love the casts.
We are also aware that the loud minority is usually full of whiners and low IQ netizens.
The silent majority (the ones that enjoy and are grateful at all your hard work) ask you to please not change to please the loud (and idiotic) minority.
You are doing great, lets not dumb down anything to please the idiots. It may not seem like it but there is actually less of them....they just happen to be loud.
You are doing great and the silent majority is LOVING TSL!
Best regards, the Silent Majority.
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Woah... I swear, tonight when I'll go to bed, all I'm gonna hear is :
Minerals being mined.
Minerals being mined.
Minerals being mined.
Structure being made.
BTW, I'd love this as a MP3, so I can have an awesome "Minerals being mined" casting behind me while I'm playing. Screw listening to music while playing, all you need is Chill's awesome voice repeating "Minerals being mined" over and over.
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Is there any way I can replace my in-game Terran voice with Chill?
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On March 30 2011 00:40 Strayline wrote:
Is there any way I can replace my in-game Terran voice with Chill?
None that are 'legit', but IMO its totally worth the ban.
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On March 30 2011 00:33 heaven- wrote:
CHILL:
The silent majority is the happy majority. I'd like to speak in behalf of the silent majority, we love the games. we love the casts.
We are also aware that the loud minority is usually full of whiners and low IQ netizens.
The silent majority (the ones that enjoy and are grateful at all your hard work) ask you to please not change to please the loud (and idiotic) minority.
You are doing great, lets not dumb down anything to please the idiots. It may not seem like it but there is actually less of them....they just happen to be loud.
You are doing great and the silent majority is LOVING TSL!
Best regards, the Silent Majority.
Being an official member of the Silent Majority, I would like to simply quote this post for truth.
I couldn't get away from the TV at all this weekend, because of the high level of awesomeness emanating from TSL's stream. You don't have to change anything. The games were amazing, the casting was awesome, the stream quality was impressive(Especially considering 52k viewers on sunday, and not lagging at all?!?!?!), and even the breaks between the games were well done...
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I almost feel like the caster backlash is a product of the Korea-o-philes getting irked their home team didn't do so well... the casting didn't seem any different than anything else I've ever heard. It was solid in every way. The only noticeable differences - Koreans lost and the casters reacted with the appropriate amount of surprise and interest.
The casts were great, stop whining. Chill's mockery of the whining was even greater, enjoy being made fun of like the little angry nerds you are.
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I don't get the complaints about the "foreigner bias" or why he is focusing on the Korea vs World stuff...
E-Sports casting is suppose to make games more interesting/provocative, it's a lot story telling. With a lot of people on this board being big fans of Koreans and holding the opinions that Koreans are better than everyone at SC2, then OF COURSE it would be a BIG STORY if in a major tournament all the favorite Koreans were getting eliminated in the first round.
It would be different if only one, maybe two big named Koreans were being eliminated, but when you have FD, MVP, Nestea, Genius out and the Korean-living/training contingent of IdrA, Jinro, Haypro and HuK joining them, it sort of makes it a big deal, and he should play up the story as it is probably the most significant of the tournament thus far.
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People need to stop with the "unprofessional-ism" crap I keep running into all over the place here. Where do the standards come from? Is Fox news "professional"? Cause even all day saturday, chill had way less bias than FOX does over the course of an hour.
People need to take shit less serious......but chill...errr "moderate temperature", you're video was pretty sick. Would watch again.
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I think minerals were being mined but i'm not sure
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On March 27 2011 13:36 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 13:34 BasilPesto wrote:On March 27 2011 13:12 Chill wrote:On March 27 2011 13:07 j3i wrote:
I don't get it... everytime I see someone offer constructive critisism on this board towards an recognized figure, they get their heads bitten off. He didn't even say it in a bad way. He was just offering his sentiments on the commentary. He was mature about it.
I saw something similar in the Official State of the Game thread when someone claimed that the way they ridicule audience responses on the show is demeaning. iNcontrol promptly labeled him as a "shitstirrer" ... for having an opinion about a show that encourages people to speak their minds.
And now this.
I don't care if I get banned or whatever but it has to be said. If you guys are the leaders of this board, you should probably act appropriately. Grow up. If it was constructive criticism he would have PMd it to me directly to begin a discussion. Instead, he took the small man way out and made a thread asking "What does everyone else think?" Well, here's what I think. Are you saying that there is no way a TLer could offer constructive criticism by making a thread (and inviting opinion/discussion)? I think the fact that you are a public figure suggests that any criticism/discussion might also be of interest to the larger community. No, I am not saying that.
Well, logically you said "constructive criticism => PM"
which is equivalent to "no constructive criticism <= no PM".
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On March 30 2011 00:26 ModerateTemperature wrote: I also don't feel happy when Canadians win at Starcraft, but I do feel happy when Koreans lose. To understand this, you have to have been part of the Brood War comunity.
When Grrrr... won the OSL that must have been a very happy day for you. It was for me. =)
This was pretty funny to listen to, but it was not that funny that you actually had to make it in the first place. 
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So I'm only three minutes into the video so far, but someone please tell me there's a dubstep remix on the way.
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Chill, you are my hero after this man. Haha. I thought this was absolutely brilliant! :D
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That made me chuckle ^^. Good ol Canadian Chilly.
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Thank you for answering, i didn't mean that you're bad, not at all, just that the impersonation of the overly neutral caster wasn't accurate from my point of view.
As i said, i enjoyed the game, I enjoyed seeing Adel win (being a frenchman and all), and today i enjoyed seeing the matchs of the gom allstars vs korea.
i just don't think this needed an answer, as funny it was 
Keep on the good work has you did, we'll ve 50000 watching next time too.
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lol I don't get why anyone would actually spend time maing that tread.Let's say that was soccer and you watch your contry on national TV would you like it if comentators started celebraiting over the other nations goal.Ofcourse not,but seeing thats ESPORTS is diffrent lets say coming from BW wich i personally didnt follow Chill dealed with that skill gap and probably cheered on every foreigner that won a game versus koreans.So this translates to now where the upsets are really cool and amazing and its normal to get emotional about it.
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<3 brilliant cast / vid. I agree with the Silent Majority here, keep it up the way it was!
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Chill i love you for doing this man, hilarious
Keep casting the way you do :D
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