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Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 18:46:27
March 21 2011 18:35 GMT
#1
So, my school's been on strike since March 10th. Semester was scheduled to end April 7th. Now they're saying that we might not be able to finish the semester, which is ridiculous. The Teacher's Union went on strike and part of that was to get a new clause added to their contract. The clause? They want a "no lay-offs" clause added. This isn't fair to us students and it is especially unfair to the students who are graduating. There's a chance that if the strike goes at least until Thursday that they will extend the semester but what about all the international students? I think about 40% of my program is international students and most of them are intending to return home at the end of semester. This strike came less than two weeks after reading break and in all honesty, they were thinking of striking before reading break started, so why didn't they just cancel the reading break and make up the time we're losing now?

They have said there is a good chance of a refund if the semester doesn't get extended. What I'd love to know is if it will be the full semester or not. Sure, I'm not in one of those schools that you pay $30,000 per semester to go to but this is still an issue for me. If it isn't the full semester, we're still going to have to redo the courses anyway, so is there really a point at this point?

I'm sorry, I sound like a little whiny 14 year old. I'm tired of not being able to just do my courses and get it over with.

EDIT: I'm fairly certain no other university in the province has a "no lay-off" clause.
http://www.viu.ca/HumanResources/labourupdate/important-message.asp
Other information if anyone is curious/cares.

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annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
March 21 2011 18:42 GMT
#2
its similarly not fair to treat teachers like garbage and refuse to fairly bargain with them, but thats just the other side of the coin
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
March 21 2011 18:44 GMT
#3
The problem is that it's between the school and the union, but it's the students who get screwed.
HardCorey
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States709 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 18:51:38
March 21 2011 18:51 GMT
#4
what a bummer. Im sure the novelty of getting a bunch of free time wears off pretty fast. And no, a 14 year old would be like yah yah yay yay strike strike schools out!
Don't Worry, Be Happy.
des
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States507 Posts
March 21 2011 18:51 GMT
#5
when would be fair for them to strike
my larvae bring all the zerg to the yard
DoubleZee
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada556 Posts
March 21 2011 18:51 GMT
#6
It happens. A few years ago the biggset university in my city was on strike for like 2 months. There's not much you can do as a student but wait it out.
Just think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are even stupider!
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
March 21 2011 18:57 GMT
#7
Shit happens. I do oppose a no layoffs clause though, tha just gives teachers the opportunity to be incompetent/lazy without repurcussions.
des
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States507 Posts
March 21 2011 19:02 GMT
#8
On March 22 2011 03:57 DystopiaX wrote:
Shit happens. I do oppose a no layoffs clause though, tha just gives teachers the opportunity to be incompetent/lazy without repurcussions.


That's not what "no layoffs" would achieve, you get laid off for economic reasons not performance reasons. It would protect teachers from losing their jobs because of poor budgeting by administration and ensure that teachers aren't the first thing to get cut during economic downturns.
my larvae bring all the zerg to the yard
TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
March 21 2011 19:15 GMT
#9
Something similar happened in york a few years ago didnt it?

They ended up in school till june or something as i recall.
I remember hear from friends who were in the same situation as you it seems, the novelty of not having school wears off pretty quick and you njust wanna get to work. You might aswell do all ytour readings while you wait for everything to get resolved. its a start anyways.
Dwell
MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
March 21 2011 19:23 GMT
#10
My Uni went on strike before for like two weeks. They ex'd out reading week and the union buckled when it came to actually having to waste our (the students) semester.

Everything went back in a kinda hussled fashion but overall it didn't make that much different. I doubt they will revoke the credits to be dished out cause of that shit - else they would have to refund a lot of tuition money.
Nak Allstar.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
March 21 2011 19:28 GMT
#11
Well, it's either we lose teachers or we lose essential courses for some programs. There were talks of them axing the entire Sociology department.
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
March 21 2011 19:31 GMT
#12
On March 22 2011 04:28 Lanaia wrote:
Well, it's either we lose teachers or we lose essential courses for some programs. There were talks of them axing the entire Sociology department.


Or budgets could be re-looked at, and both education and jobs protected.
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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9104 Posts
March 21 2011 19:45 GMT
#13
While I understand wanting a "no lay-off" clause, it doesn't seem reasonable. When if from one 4 year cycle to the next, a certain department has far fewer students enrolled?
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 20:39:06
March 21 2011 20:36 GMT
#14
no lay-off is pretty ridiculous, lol.

Just sit tight and relax. The provincial government will eventually kick in.


I had similar problems at UofT. There was a vote for strike from the union when I had one semester left. Thank God it didn't happen.

Myself, being part of the union at the time, voted no. I got as many people as I could to vote no.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32073 Posts
March 21 2011 21:01 GMT
#15
On March 22 2011 04:31 Iyerbeth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2011 04:28 Lanaia wrote:
Well, it's either we lose teachers or we lose essential courses for some programs. There were talks of them axing the entire Sociology department.


Or budgets could be re-looked at, and both education and jobs protected.


in what world do you accomplish this without cutting something along the line??

sacrifices have to be made. And like universities and schools all over, programs as well as teachers will get cut. A lot of other things besides the school budget goes into laying off a teacher: enrollment, general economics which affect enrollment numbers, job trends etc.

If enrollment dwindles on a smallish minor studies, why should the school continue to support it and keep those teachers on the job? Just in a general sense, why the hell should teachers be immune to the factors that literally effect everyone else at the university?




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Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
March 21 2011 21:19 GMT
#16
On March 22 2011 06:01 Hawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2011 04:31 Iyerbeth wrote:
On March 22 2011 04:28 Lanaia wrote:
Well, it's either we lose teachers or we lose essential courses for some programs. There were talks of them axing the entire Sociology department.


Or budgets could be re-looked at, and both education and jobs protected.


in what world do you accomplish this without cutting something along the line??

sacrifices have to be made. And like universities and schools all over, programs as well as teachers will get cut. A lot of other things besides the school budget goes into laying off a teacher: enrollment, general economics which affect enrollment numbers, job trends etc.

If enrollment dwindles on a smallish minor studies, why should the school continue to support it and keep those teachers on the job? Just in a general sense, why the hell should teachers be immune to the factors that literally effect everyone else at the university?


I view it on a wider sense that these aren't just teachers, they're people with commitments and families of their own, and they should be supported. They also happen to be skilled people whom shouldn't be removed on a whim, but also neither should the school be required to support courses which aren't viable. There should be options to retrain teachers appropriately to more useful courses in the year or two ahead.

Further, education should be a state responsibility, and should be funded thus, not at the whim of any individual school or economic bumps. And when you look at cutting state funding, and waste, I'd be looking at those overpaid at the top, not those teaching students at the bottom.

In the world where you accomplish this without cutting this further down the line, you plan the economy ahead of time, instead of threatening jobs when you realise things aren't working out. No one should ever be threatened with lay-offs, without the possibility of retraining (or re-tooling in some industries) being looked in to, especially where a skilled labour pool exists. Also I'd argue no one should ever be made redundant without all related finances being made public and scrutinised.

Maybe I'm asking for too much, but for now, there's no reason to not at least look at the budgets and offer a decent deal to these teachers as per my original post.
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numLoCK
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1416 Posts
March 21 2011 21:27 GMT
#17
Holy crap another VIU kid, wow.
Ya this is BS, and if they extend the semester it is going to screw over so many people. Some people can't afford to stay, some people aren't scheduled to stay, and people like me aren't affected that bad but losing work time in the summer is gonna hurt.
Being held hostage sucks
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
March 21 2011 22:46 GMT
#18
On March 22 2011 06:27 numLoCK wrote:
Holy crap another VIU kid, wow.
Ya this is BS, and if they extend the semester it is going to screw over so many people. Some people can't afford to stay, some people aren't scheduled to stay, and people like me aren't affected that bad but losing work time in the summer is gonna hurt.
Being held hostage sucks


I don't even technically live in the city there. It totally does suck. I'm up at 6 am every day (8:30 am classes and an hour drive if school opens in the morning) so I'm losing a ton of sleep for this.
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
The_LiNk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada863 Posts
March 21 2011 23:00 GMT
#19
There was a strike in York University a few years back because the TA's unions' contracts were up and they wanted to raise their pay in the negotiations. The strike went on for 2 months I think. York Uni lengthened the semester by another 4 weeks I think, but a lot of the students were complaining about how they have summer jobs so York ended up refunding a lot of them. I guess you guys really just have to make your voice be heard in the issue. When the York strike hit it was all over the news and the general sentiment of the city was that against the union.
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
March 22 2011 09:26 GMT
#20
This is only a problem when the Government socializes an industry -- in this case education. No one has a right to a job. It's always the private sector, and the non-Government workers who get fucked by politicians and those connected with them. Decisions made on their personal preferences effect everyone because taxation is forced theft. One of the most important aspects of society should not be run by the Government, since the Government's agenda is always to extend it's power, and it never wants to teach about its abuses. You let the Government run education and you get people who have no idea that Woodrow Wilson rounded up anti-war protesters, or that Lincoln suspended Habeus Corpus, or that Sherman committed massive war crimes against the South, or they breeze over the fact that the US Government nearly exterminated the Native Americans, or they spend a few weeks talking about the raison d'etre for the Revolution (barely).

I remember in Government-School they never even talked about Common Sense, Cato's Letters, Committees of Correspondences/Safeties, Sons of Liberty, Anti-Federalists, and most of the things that King George was doing to the colonialists that the US Government currently themselves do. They don't teach much about the Articles of Confederation or that we are a REPUBLIC not a democracy, and the states retain their sovereignty and can leave the union at any time, etc. They don't tell you we didn't have an income tax until 1913, or that we have had numerous Central Banks throughout our history. The Government wants a compliant population and its the reason why we have the institutions we have which was modeled after the Prussian model who wanted a citizenry that was the best for Corporations and the Government -- obedient, slave-like, un-thinking.
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
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