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On March 18 2011 07:45 Slow Motion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 04:50 Hawk wrote:
i thought pvp (or griefing) was very much a part of this game?? I had seen it a few weeks ago but was still obsessed with minecraft. It basically has the adventure component that I wish minecraft would finally get Yeah I got no problem with ppl trying to steal or kill us as it's a fun part of the game and I prefer it like that. What I hate is people who hack to get powerful chars and kill you (happened a lot in world 4) and people who abuse certain game mechanics not to steal or kill you but just to ruin your day and annoy you. For example I consider making a bunch of alt accounts just to block and clog our base up not really in the spirit of the game. But taking the time with actual characters to build a wall around our base and lay siege to it is legit. Both actions may seem similar but I think there is a clear line there.
well hacking i agree with. the other stuff, i know shit about the game to really comment. i am intrigured though, i think ill check it out this weekend possibly
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Update: I was idling in game when azn informed me that he had found another cave. There was someone already there and starting to smelt ore and mine. Apparently he is from a village 10 min from that location (possibly by boat). I immediately ran to the cave, and proceeded to steal all the ore and processed tin from the unlucky miner. His protests were deaf to my ears as I indulged in the thrill of taking the fruits of someone else's hard work and getting away with it.
In doing so I have realized something about myself. I love stealing. I love quick and easy reward. I love the initial bewilderment and then anger of my victims. I love imagining their frustration and hatred. I think I may get theft in the future and steal quite a bit  And hey, at least this guy now learned his lesson about not leaving a claim up. I did him a favor, really.
The guy's claim is now up at the cave. Maybe after I get theft I will pay it a visit in the future 
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On March 19 2011 07:20 Slow Motion wrote:Update: I was idling in game when azn informed me that he had found another cave. There was someone already there and starting to smelt ore and mine. Apparently he is from a village 10 min from that location (possibly by boat). I immediately ran to the cave, and proceeded to steal all the ore and processed tin from the unlucky miner. His protests were deaf to my ears as I indulged in the thrill of taking the fruits of someone else's hard work and getting away with it. In doing so I have realized something about myself. I love stealing. I love quick and easy reward. I love the initial bewilderment and then anger of my victims. I love imagining their frustration and hatred. I think I may get theft in the future and steal quite a bit And hey, at least this guy now learned his lesson about not leaving a claim up. I did him a favor, really. The guy's claim is now up at the cave. Maybe after I get theft I will pay it a visit in the future
Isn't that "mindless griefing"? 
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Well I didn't mess with stuff that was not valuable and only took things that would benefit my village. I don't think I'd have enjoyed taking/destroying random stuff I don't need just to mess with him.
Then again, I totally see the possibility that maybe I'm just defining griefing and what's right or wrong to do in the game in a way that benefits me and justifies my actions.
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It's griefing, but it's not really "mindless." Kind of funny to hear about.
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Tips to maximize LP gain:
I think the main target initially is to increase int. If u have more int u can study more and better things. I found a very good way to increase int. First of all u have to put the slider @ personal beliefs to civilization (after first max'ing peaceful of course), that gives u 30% more int. The intelligence buff does not show in the study tab but still counts. For example u have a attention limit of 24 but u can study 31 if int bonus is 7. I think its a bug... but i have no idea.
One way is to find many many blueberries! but this takes a while. But its possible to find some fish! Its hard to catch it. U need a very good hook crafted from a bear bone and a good string. But this is the easiest part of fishing. What i know about it is u have to fish @ night. At the top of the H&H client is a little picture with a little moon.( http://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Fish ) read this wiki about the different moon phases when you can catch different types of fish.
Now u can catch with the right lure the right fish. For int its perch or bream.. maybe salmon ( http://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Fishing ). But the biggest problem is to find a fish spot. And if u find a spot u can sometimes catch only few fishes.
But we can make blueberry pies in the future! for int and perc. So please dont eat all blueberries u get. Lets start to collect blueberries.
Another useful thing is if u eat different food.. i mean like perc, dex and int food.. u need significantly less food. if u need 20 points from the beginning.. eat like one dex, one perc, one str and the rest int food.. u need only 14 points. Yeah its hard for me to explain but i hope u can understand me
The next thing is what to study... ( http://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Curiosity_Table )
ALWAYS use Bark Boats! the best way to get LP, if u find with maybe 200 (perc * explor), the best food atm is Peculiar Flotsam, u can find it in the deep water. And the absolute best thing to study is Aurochs Hair! Pls make a alt and collect all hair u can get! It takes 36h and gives u 10000 LP! BASE! But needs only ONE Mental Weight.
If u are not an experience player u have to increase ur exploration and survival. We share the main professions but all players need a basic amount of points in survival and exploration. But this is only my opinion.
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Final Update?: My sins have finally caught up to me, and my village mates who were innocent bystanders in all this. I could not resist the allure of the shiny tin, and went back a second time to steal more tin right in front of an angry miner. All was well and I reveled in my criminal success.
That night, however, a mysterious figure with a boar tusk helmet confronted me outside our palisade walls. She claimed to be a bounty hunter. She spoke with me for some time, making not so subtle threats, hinting that I might have tin. Over a course of an hour long conversation, she revealed that she was a ranger who had been recruited to track me over the tin I stole the day before. She kept an eye on me while members of that villages made a trek over to parley.
The envoy of the village was not amused by my glib comments during the talk, although I found them quite amusing myself. However, they demanded that we hand over the key and let them in to take back what is theirs. If not, they would keep the claim up they had over our village goods and ram the walls. Being sure that they only wanted the key to storm our village that much faster, KtheZ and I did not comply. The members of the village then left to get their ram, after firing a warning stone at my poor face.
KtheZ was disheartened that our village was apparently doomed, and decided to forgo the inevitable destruction of our village for quitting the game and focusing on more productive endeavors (SC2). He parted with grace and bid me good luck even though I was the one to ruin his village. I decided to stick around though. As a last act of defiance, I went to the mine in order to steal some more stuff. Maybe I could keep the items and have fun playing the fugitive, keeping one step ahead of my furious pursuers. However, Murphy's Law intervened and I was intercepted by the very people I wanted to provoke and then elude.
They made one last appeal to me. They showed me the construction of the ram and told me that they did not wish to ruin our game. If I complied and handed the key, they would only enter the village to take what was theirs and then leave. I had a hard decision to make at that point. My pride dictated that I tell them to fuck off, let them kill me, the don't give them the key and make them work a little harder to bust our village. I thought the chances of them taking the key, the village, and killing us was high anyways. Why should my last act be to act the fool and give my enemies an easier way to kill us?
However, standing on the azure banks of our river, surrounded by hostile enemies clad in bear regalia and weaponry, I looked upon the beautiful square of our village. Was it fair that Aurra, Brambled, KtheZ, azn, Gormil, Cub, and Frosty lose something they worked at just because I wanted to try something stupid for my own amusement? No it was not. Even if they would probably take the key, the village, and break their promise to let us live, I still had to go for the chance (however slim) that our village could be saved. It isn't fair that my village mates should lose their hard work over my stupidity and arrogance.
So I gave them the key. Then waited outside as they went through our village. In the end, the village I had stolen from was nicer to me than I deserved. They only took what was theirs, dropped their claim on our goods, and returned the key. They expressed in interest in friendship and peaceful contact in the future, and condemned my criminal actions.
Humiliated, chastened, and humbled, I hereby submit this story of how Slow Motion almost ruined the game for 7 of his fellow TL members. I deserve a punishment to be decided by the other members of the village for my actions, to which I shall gladly submit.
In the end, however, our Haven & Hearth Adventures continue. We escaped from the precipice through sheer luck and by the narrowest of margins. Our trials will only make us stronger, just like the indomitable Protoss who were driven from Aiur.
A day may come when the courage of TL members fail, when we forsake our love for Starcraft and break all bonds of forum membership, but it is not this day. An hour (KST) of raids and broken palisades when the protection of our claims come crashing down! But it is not this day! This day, we game! By all that you hold dear in Haven & Hearth, I bid you stand, men of Teamliquid!
P.S.: I still wanna steal stuff from people cause it's so fun. Maybe I'll find a place far from the village to live while I do though. And yes dear readers, in case you were wondering, I certainly am an idiot and do not learn even the most obvious of lessons quickly.
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Bring out the gimp!
Edit No im not quitting
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LOL fucking slomo. I love and hate you.
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Yeah.. If you want to be a part time thief you should probably live outside the walls. :p
Is KZ really quitting?
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LOL! funny story! I hate my timezone! :D
Yeah this is the part of game that i love.
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lol I like the stories.
Seems like there are more things in haven and hearth,then are dreamt of in my philosophies.
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What happened to the camp? Lisa is telling me we are moving again.
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Update: Although the village we stole from has taken back their goods and is content to leave us in peace, the bounty hunter under their employ is not so sanguine. From hours of conversations, I have been able to glean some disturbing insights into her personality. She is a complete psychopath, akin to the Dahmers and Gacys of the world. She gets tremendous pleasure from dominating individuals and making them submit to her will. She also enjoys demeaning then and murdering them is the worst ways possible. Fear and control gets her off.
Also the other members of the village I stole from kept their word and returned our key, the bounty hunter decided to make a copy of her own. She now has the ability to come in at any time and take what she wants. This morning she exercised that ability with great pleasure. She has also taken an interest in me. She will initiate private conversations with me in which she brags about her evil deeds and gives me warnings and advice about the game. I do not know if she sees herself as my mentor, or if she simply enjoys toying with me.
After she took some metal from our village, she ordered me to follow her. I got on her boat with great trepidation. Meanwhile, my village mates scrambled to move our precious items back to the clay base where they will be more safe. In the middle of our boat ride, she stopped the boat. She informed me that I should never get on the back of a boat, as she has the power to kill me and I would have no way to escape. This mixture of deriving pleasure from intimidating me and giving me sound advice coupled with stories of her escapades threw me off guard.
We arrived at the shoreline, and she gave me more advice about hiding the boat while exploring inland. At the end of our conversation, we came to place that was familiar to me. In our earlier treks across the country, our village members and I met a nice individual known as "cheeselover." This man was a peaceful farmer, and aided us through our travels. I believe KtheZ and he became Kin and acquaintances if not friends. I now recognized the area the bounty hunter led me to as cheeselover's little house and garden.
I followed the bounty hunter inside cheeselover's house. Apparently she had visited cheeselover before, and makes a habit of forcing him to give her any items that she desires. Cheeselover had also made the mistake of initially appealing to her with arguments about morality and peaceful behavior. I watched with pity and a certain amount of empathy as cheeselover was forced to bow and scrape inside his own house to avoid punishment. She then proceeded to attack cheeselover after he had given her his items. Cheeselover sought to escape, but the bounty hunter was too fast and knocked him out in the front yard.
She told me to watch as she proceeded to beat on cheeselover's unconscious body and again started to advise me about the need to work on my combat skills. She spoke of cheeselover with disdain and hatred as a useless idiot who could only farm and do the boring work. When cheeselover came to and asked her why, she simply beat him again and told him he did not yet have permission to speak. In private chat, she told me that this humiliation is a great way of dominating people and controlling them and gave me tips on how to intimidate victims. Again, I believed this advice was meant to scare and impress me as much as it was to teach.
She the let cheeselover on his feet and forced him into the house. When cheeselover complied, she beat him down to the ground again and pulled out her sword. While hacking slowly at cheeselover, she told me to pay attention and started to berate the poor farmer. She called him various unmentionables, while laughing at him for being a dumb farmer and said that he was not worthy to play H&H and should go play farmville. She told him that weaklings like him made her sick. Then she landed the final blow.
How to describe my feelings then? I felt like a rabbit trapped in a tiny room with a lion who had just ripped apart a fresh antelope. I also felt like she derived greater pleasure from her vile deeds in having me watch and gloating to me throughout. It was like a horror movie: terrifying yet engrossing. Afterwards, she told me that she loved to humiliate and berate victims as she killed them. Then she told me that when she landed the final blow on cheeselover, she felt chills along her back and a small amount of sexual excitement. After this startling revelation, she laughed it off and joked about maybe "needing some help."
I am trapped in a spider's web, and am too mesmerized to even struggle. I have a feeling she will toy with me for sometime, before I finally meet the same torturous end as cheeselover. Our village members have started training combat skills. The world of Haven & Hearth is a cruel and dangerous place, and we must ready ourselves for the darkness that is to come.
A note to end this update: for the readers wondering about the name of this bounty hunter? Her name is "Freedom." She admitted that this was a contradiction to her character, as she loved controlling and dominating others. However, she then added that maybe being able to completely disregard the feelings of others and their ideas of morality was the ultimate freedom.
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On March 20 2011 09:05 Slow Motion wrote:
Update: Although the village we stole from has taken back their goods and is content to leave us in peace, the bounty hunter under their employ is not so sanguine. From hours of conversations, I have been able to glean some disturbing insights into her personality. She is a complete psychopath, akin to the Dahmers and Gacys of the world. She gets tremendous pleasure from dominating individuals and making them submit to her will. She also enjoys demeaning then and murdering them is the worst ways possible. Fear and control gets her off.
Also the other members of the village I stole from kept their word and returned our key, the bounty hunter decided to make a copy of her own. She now has the ability to come in at any time and take what she wants. This morning she exercised that ability with great pleasure. She has also taken an interest in me. She will initiate private conversations with me in which she brags about her evil deeds and gives me warnings and advice about the game. I do not know if she sees herself as my mentor, or if she simply enjoys toying with me.
After she took some metal from our village, she ordered me to follow her. I got on her boat with great trepidation. Meanwhile, my village mates scrambled to move our precious items back to the clay base where they will be more safe. In the middle of our boat ride, she stopped the boat. She informed me that I should never get on the back of a boat, as she has the power to kill me and I would have no way to escape. This mixture of deriving pleasure from intimidating me and giving me sound advice coupled with stories of her escapades threw me off guard.
We arrived at the shoreline, and she gave me more advice about hiding the boat while exploring inland. At the end of our conversation, we came to place that was familiar to me. In our earlier treks across the country, our village members and I met a nice individual known as "cheeselover." This man was a peaceful farmer, and aided us through our travels. I believe KtheZ and he became Kin and acquaintances if not friends. I now recognized the area the bounty hunter led me to as cheeselover's little house and garden.
I followed the bounty hunter inside cheeselover's house. Apparently she had visited cheeselover before, and makes a habit of forcing him to give her any items that she desires. Cheeselover had also made the mistake of initially appealing to her with arguments about morality and peaceful behavior. I watched with pity and a certain amount of empathy as cheeselover was forced to bow and scrape inside his own house to avoid punishment. She then proceeded to attack cheeselover after he had given her his items. Cheeselover sought to escape, but the bounty hunter was too fast and knocked him out in the front yard.
She told me to watch as she proceeded to beat on cheeselover's unconscious body and again started to advise me about the need to work on my combat skills. She spoke of cheeselover with disdain and hatred as a useless idiot who could only farm and do the boring work. When cheeselover came to and asked her why, she simply beat him again and told him he did not yet have permission to speak. In private chat, she told me that this humiliation is a great way of dominating people and controlling them and gave me tips on how to intimidate victims. Again, I believed this advice was meant to scare and impress me as much as it was to teach.
She the let cheeselover on his feet and forced him into the house. When cheeselover complied, she beat him down to the ground again and pulled out her sword. While hacking slowly at cheeselover, she told me to pay attention and started to berate the poor farmer. She called him various unmentionables, while laughing at him for being a dumb farmer and said that he was not worthy to play H&H and should go play farmville. She told him that weaklings like him made her sick. Then she landed the final blow.
How to describe my feelings then? I felt like a rabbit trapped in a tiny room with a lion who had just ripped apart a fresh antelope. I also felt like she derived greater pleasure from her vile deeds in having me watch and gloating to me throughout. It was like a horror movie: terrifying yet engrossing. Afterwards, she told me that she loved to humiliate and berate victims as she killed them. Then she told me that when she landed the final blow on cheeselover, she felt chills along her back and a small amount of sexual excitement. After this startling revelation, she laughed it off and joked about maybe "needing some help."
I am trapped in a spider's web, and am too mesmerized to even struggle. I have a feeling she will toy with me for sometime, before I finally meet the same torturous end as cheeselover. Our village members have started training combat skills. The world of Haven & Hearth is a cruel and dangerous place, and we must ready ourselves for the darkness that is to come.
A note to end this update: for the readers wondering about the name of this bounty hunter? Her name is "Freedom." She admitted that this was a contradiction to her character, as she loved controlling and dominating others. However, she then added that maybe being able to completely disregard the feelings of others and their ideas of morality was the ultimate freedom.
Shit dude. Awesome story :D Can't wait to find out what happens next. I wish you all the best!
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Ok read a lot of oddi town.. i dont know what to do... it seems they are very powerful
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On March 20 2011 09:53 gakkgakk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 09:05 Slow Motion wrote:
Update: Although the village we stole from has taken back their goods and is content to leave us in peace, the bounty hunter under their employ is not so sanguine. From hours of conversations, I have been able to glean some disturbing insights into her personality. She is a complete psychopath, akin to the Dahmers and Gacys of the world. She gets tremendous pleasure from dominating individuals and making them submit to her will. She also enjoys demeaning then and murdering them is the worst ways possible. Fear and control gets her off.
Also the other members of the village I stole from kept their word and returned our key, the bounty hunter decided to make a copy of her own. She now has the ability to come in at any time and take what she wants. This morning she exercised that ability with great pleasure. She has also taken an interest in me. She will initiate private conversations with me in which she brags about her evil deeds and gives me warnings and advice about the game. I do not know if she sees herself as my mentor, or if she simply enjoys toying with me.
After she took some metal from our village, she ordered me to follow her. I got on her boat with great trepidation. Meanwhile, my village mates scrambled to move our precious items back to the clay base where they will be more safe. In the middle of our boat ride, she stopped the boat. She informed me that I should never get on the back of a boat, as she has the power to kill me and I would have no way to escape. This mixture of deriving pleasure from intimidating me and giving me sound advice coupled with stories of her escapades threw me off guard.
We arrived at the shoreline, and she gave me more advice about hiding the boat while exploring inland. At the end of our conversation, we came to place that was familiar to me. In our earlier treks across the country, our village members and I met a nice individual known as "cheeselover." This man was a peaceful farmer, and aided us through our travels. I believe KtheZ and he became Kin and acquaintances if not friends. I now recognized the area the bounty hunter led me to as cheeselover's little house and garden.
I followed the bounty hunter inside cheeselover's house. Apparently she had visited cheeselover before, and makes a habit of forcing him to give her any items that she desires. Cheeselover had also made the mistake of initially appealing to her with arguments about morality and peaceful behavior. I watched with pity and a certain amount of empathy as cheeselover was forced to bow and scrape inside his own house to avoid punishment. She then proceeded to attack cheeselover after he had given her his items. Cheeselover sought to escape, but the bounty hunter was too fast and knocked him out in the front yard.
She told me to watch as she proceeded to beat on cheeselover's unconscious body and again started to advise me about the need to work on my combat skills. She spoke of cheeselover with disdain and hatred as a useless idiot who could only farm and do the boring work. When cheeselover came to and asked her why, she simply beat him again and told him he did not yet have permission to speak. In private chat, she told me that this humiliation is a great way of dominating people and controlling them and gave me tips on how to intimidate victims. Again, I believed this advice was meant to scare and impress me as much as it was to teach.
She the let cheeselover on his feet and forced him into the house. When cheeselover complied, she beat him down to the ground again and pulled out her sword. While hacking slowly at cheeselover, she told me to pay attention and started to berate the poor farmer. She called him various unmentionables, while laughing at him for being a dumb farmer and said that he was not worthy to play H&H and should go play farmville. She told him that weaklings like him made her sick. Then she landed the final blow.
How to describe my feelings then? I felt like a rabbit trapped in a tiny room with a lion who had just ripped apart a fresh antelope. I also felt like she derived greater pleasure from her vile deeds in having me watch and gloating to me throughout. It was like a horror movie: terrifying yet engrossing. Afterwards, she told me that she loved to humiliate and berate victims as she killed them. Then she told me that when she landed the final blow on cheeselover, she felt chills along her back and a small amount of sexual excitement. After this startling revelation, she laughed it off and joked about maybe "needing some help."
I am trapped in a spider's web, and am too mesmerized to even struggle. I have a feeling she will toy with me for sometime, before I finally meet the same torturous end as cheeselover. Our village members have started training combat skills. The world of Haven & Hearth is a cruel and dangerous place, and we must ready ourselves for the darkness that is to come.
A note to end this update: for the readers wondering about the name of this bounty hunter? Her name is "Freedom." She admitted that this was a contradiction to her character, as she loved controlling and dominating others. However, she then added that maybe being able to completely disregard the feelings of others and their ideas of morality was the ultimate freedom. Shit dude. Awesome story :D Can't wait to find out what happens next. I wish you all the best!
Holy. This was such an interesting read, seriously. Thanks for these updates, it really feels like I'm reading an amazing diary of past times. The way you portray everything is really, really well done. Props. ^^
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hahaaha the last update is just pretty much awesome drama material.
thanks for a post that amused me so much. but im sorry for your predicament
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