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Hellz chhyeah. Sony is going down.

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[TA]eccentric
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia55 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 05:32:58
March 12 2011 05:32 GMT
#1
Geohot seems to have enough funding to pay for his legal bills and sony's side of things are looking worse and worse :D

Geohot: Media, I need your help. This is the first time I have ever asked. Please, if you support this cause, help me out and spread the word.
I want, by the time this goes to trial, to have Sony facing some of the hardest hitting lawyers in the business.
Together, we can help fix the system

First round of donations is closed
Thank you so so much for all of your help, things are looking up money wise. Expect to see a few more lawyers on my responses!
I have enough to cover my legal fees for the time being, and in the absolute worst case scenario, we don't want Sony getting it :-P


http://geohot.com/

The Norwegian Consumer Council has gone through the terms of service for Sony PlayStation 3 and Playstation Network and decided to file a complaint to the Consumer Ombudsman regarding a breach of the Norwegian Marketing Control Act.

- Sony claims a universal right to change or remove functionality from the gaming console. In our opinion this is in clear violation of the Marketing Control Act, and not the least it’s a breach of trust between the consumer and Sony, says Head of Section Thomas Nortvedt in the Norwegian Consumer Council.

- There needs to be a limit to what constitutes a reasonable change to products we buy. Terms of service that grant the manufacturer full access to literally downgrade the product or limit the functionality are unreasonable and in clear violation of the Marketing Control Act, says Thomas Nortvedt.

- When a company use terms like updates or upgrades, it is reasonable to expect a significant improvement of the product and not the risk of being stuck with a lesser product, concludes Nortvedt.


http://forbrukerportalen.no/Artikler/2011/ PlayStation_3_violates_the_Norwegian_Marketing_Control_Act

Sony's court troubles currently involve more than just tracking down hackers. According to a report from the Guardian, shipments of PlayStation 3s are being confiscated by European customs officers as Sony fights a patent battle with LG over Blu-ray.

The ruling, which was handed down in the Netherlands, calls for all new PS3 shipments going into Europe to be confiscated for at least the next 10 days. A further extension could potentially mean that not only will new consoles not make it into Europe, but existing ones could be taken off of retail shelves.


http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/02/ps3-shipments-halted-in-europe-as-sony-and-lg-fight-over-blu-ray-patent.ars



This is not a battle that can be won in the courts. The pirates and the drug smugglers will always be one step ahead, the only way to beat them is to think outside the box. And the legal system is as inside the box as you can think.


What is the purpose of this blog?

... Nothing, really. Just trying to increase awareness in this Sony v Ethics battle :D

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cha0
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada514 Posts
March 12 2011 05:57 GMT
#2
o.o why are you happy about this though? So you want Sony to go down and PS3 or further products to die?
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
March 12 2011 06:02 GMT
#3
On March 12 2011 14:57 cha0 wrote:
o.o why are you happy about this though? So you want Sony to go down and PS3 or further products to die?

Meh. Ethics vs awesome products. it's hard to decide >.>
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9110 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 06:06:56
March 12 2011 06:04 GMT
#4
I read geohot's site but he didn't give shed much light as to what he's actually being sued for.

Could you or someone provide a brief explanation with what the legal case is over? I'm guessing he did some sort of PS3 modding? Depending on what he did it seems like he might be deserved to be sued.

edit: ok so he "hacked" his PS3, not sure what this means though, he also says he never uses it online... so how would he possibly get caught then?
Loser777
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
1931 Posts
March 12 2011 06:05 GMT
#5
This whole situation disgusts me... Sony was initially allowing third parties to install other operating systems on PS3s and then tried to lock down everything. If suing geohot wasn't enough, Sony is requesting the information of anyone who has watched "Jailbroken PS3 3.55 with Homebrew" or has visited geohot's website. What's the limit for privacy infringement--can corporations get away with anything over intellectual property lawsuits?
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jimmyjingle
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States472 Posts
March 12 2011 06:07 GMT
#6
I don't understand..

what would happen if Sony lost the lawsuit?
I get brain like a skull
cha0
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada514 Posts
March 12 2011 06:22 GMT
#7
On March 12 2011 15:07 jimmyjingle wrote:
I don't understand..

what would happen if Sony lost the lawsuit?


There are two cases being referred to in the OP. If Sony loses the case against LG then basically the PS3 is dead. The Netherlands I believe already sided with LG and issused some kind of order for PS3's to all be collected, including PS3's in people's homes. Sounds ridiculous though and will probably be overturned.
cha0
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada514 Posts
March 12 2011 06:24 GMT
#8
On March 12 2011 15:05 Loser777 wrote:
This whole situation disgusts me... Sony was initially allowing third parties to install other operating systems on PS3s and then tried to lock down everything. If suing geohot wasn't enough, Sony is requesting the information of anyone who has watched "Jailbroken PS3 3.55 with Homebrew" or has visited geohot's website. What's the limit for privacy infringement--can corporations get away with anything over intellectual property lawsuits?


It is a bit more complicated than this. Sony only wants to show that Hotz site is visisted from people all over the world, so they want to show the IP's aren't all just from States. They aren't gonna do anything more than that with the info. Also, Hotz himself agreed and allowed Sony to get this information.
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
March 12 2011 07:27 GMT
#9
On March 12 2011 15:22 cha0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2011 15:07 jimmyjingle wrote:
I don't understand..

what would happen if Sony lost the lawsuit?


There are two cases being referred to in the OP. If Sony loses the case against LG then basically the PS3 is dead. The Netherlands I believe already sided with LG and issused some kind of order for PS3's to all be collected, including PS3's in people's homes. Sounds ridiculous though and will probably be overturned.

There're never going to stop selling the PS3. Sony will just pay a huge settlement to LG that's gonna be the end of that.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
[TA]eccentric
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia55 Posts
March 12 2011 08:01 GMT
#10
If LG wins their battle, yes, Sony will be forced to contribute money to LG from all previous (and further) sales. Until this is settled, all PS3's going into Europe are going to be held for atleast 10 days (there is no "maximum" holding time which means that europeans may have to live without any new stock of PS3s for a while).

Norwegia's complaint to Sony is essentially very similar to Geohot's problems with them, which is that they advertised their product with OtherOS (which allows Linux to run on PS3's iirc) but with the newest "update", the stripped the system of OtherOS which is essentially downgrading the system. Geohot being sued for modifying HIS PS3 is what he is essentially currently being sued on. Norwegian Consumer Council is questioning what the fuck sony wants because like, the way they're putting it, you're only "renting" the PS3 indefinitely after buying it - i.e. it is still their property. With some products such as mobile phone sim cards, this makes sense as there is no real benefit to the consumer without troubling the company or doing anything illegal.

No, I'm not happy that sony is going down, but I AM happy that we are finally seeing some movement with copyright and ownership. From Blizz & KeSPA to Apple & iOS Devices to Sony and their Playstation 3.

Our society is changing to make it a better place for the geeky such as ourselves
HeadhunteR
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Argentina1258 Posts
March 12 2011 09:37 GMT
#11
On March 12 2011 16:27 T.O.P. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2011 15:22 cha0 wrote:
On March 12 2011 15:07 jimmyjingle wrote:
I don't understand..

what would happen if Sony lost the lawsuit?


There are two cases being referred to in the OP. If Sony loses the case against LG then basically the PS3 is dead. The Netherlands I believe already sided with LG and issused some kind of order for PS3's to all be collected, including PS3's in people's homes. Sounds ridiculous though and will probably be overturned.

There're never going to stop selling the PS3. Sony will just pay a huge settlement to LG that's gonna be the end of that.


Right on the money.
Sony is not that dumb. They will settle and pay the guy so he stops being a threat.
in The Kong line forever
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