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ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
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Just pick both sides, I did. :D
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Croatia9504 Posts
Come to our side, we have cookies!
Also, you fail at math ^^
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On March 08 2011 01:24 kOre wrote:
Just pick both sides, I did. :D
I did too..but its starting to pain me a lot.
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Ok I agree sides are not good things but seriously, our side is right. There hasn't been a single valid argument contrary.
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It almost makes sense since you fail at math but you are really tired and so am I so math is irrelevant. Its hard to pick sides T___T Decisions are hard to make.
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4000 huh? You still have 3999 on my screen =]
I'm at a crossroad myself, where I think I prefer SC2 more, simply because I'm better at it and it's more aesthetically pleasing to my eyes (shitty reasons I know). But I love how BW was so mechanically difficult and how the games are just waaaaay more exciting, not to mention the crazy micro battles and tricks you see that most likely won't carry over to SC2.
In the end, they're both Starcraft and I'll love both of them!
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On March 08 2011 01:26 Synystyr wrote:
4000 huh? You still have 3999 on my screen =]
I'm at a crossroad myself, where I think I prefer SC2 more, simply because I'm better at it and it's more aesthetically pleasing to my eyes (shitty reasons I know). But I love how BW was so mechanically difficult and how the games are just waaaaay more exciting, not to mention the crazy micro battles and tricks you see that most likely won't carry over to SC2.
In the end, they're both Starcraft and I'll love both of them!
Yeah I would love to love them both but this is like Harry Potter IMO
Neither can live while the other survives.
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BW rules SC2 isn't bad.
I mean we could all be playing warcraft 3 right
On March 08 2011 01:28 etheovermind wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 01:26 Synystyr wrote:
4000 huh? You still have 3999 on my screen =]
I'm at a crossroad myself, where I think I prefer SC2 more, simply because I'm better at it and it's more aesthetically pleasing to my eyes (shitty reasons I know). But I love how BW was so mechanically difficult and how the games are just waaaaay more exciting, not to mention the crazy micro battles and tricks you see that most likely won't carry over to SC2.
In the end, they're both Starcraft and I'll love both of them! Yeah I would love to love them both but this is like Harry Potter IMO Neither can live while the other survives.
What why can't two games coexist don't be silly
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On March 08 2011 01:32 des wrote:BW rules SC2 isn't bad. I mean we could all be playing warcraft 3 right Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 01:28 etheovermind wrote:On March 08 2011 01:26 Synystyr wrote:
4000 huh? You still have 3999 on my screen =]
I'm at a crossroad myself, where I think I prefer SC2 more, simply because I'm better at it and it's more aesthetically pleasing to my eyes (shitty reasons I know). But I love how BW was so mechanically difficult and how the games are just waaaaay more exciting, not to mention the crazy micro battles and tricks you see that most likely won't carry over to SC2.
In the end, they're both Starcraft and I'll love both of them! Yeah I would love to love them both but this is like Harry Potter IMO Neither can live while the other survives. What why can't two games coexist don't be silly
Market is too small for two games that target the same sector.
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Lol I am in the same boat as you. But unlike you, the only pain I feel is when sc2 people flame BW and not the other way around lol. I like sc2 because I am better at it (not a good reason I know lol), but I just like BW...because of many reasons.
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I wanna play BW in the SC2 engine... :8
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On March 08 2011 01:38 Ayush_SCtoss wrote:
Lol I am in the same boat as you. But unlike you, the only pain I feel is when sc2 people flame BW and not the other way around lol. I like sc2 because I am better at it (not a good reason I know lol), but I just like BW...because of many reasons.
if you read the post you will see that I am more in favour of BW than SC2.
On March 08 2011 01:39 Catch]22 wrote:
I wanna play BW in the SC2 engine... :8
starcraft 2 brood war
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United States7481 Posts
I like both too! It's the only way to go imo~
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I think the two sides really tend to flare up in the BW/SC2 sections, but overall for me:
- enjoy BW because of the players, amount of mechanical skill required by the players and the amount of battles which occur etc (doesn't suffer as much from "giant ball syndrome" as SC2). Proleague is also awesome (GCPL and the GSTL are ok but ideally it'd be nice to see a much much longer, korean/international team league).
- enjoy SCII because of the foreigners in Korean tournaments, how huge the scene has gotten outside of Korea, and the fact that there is constantly available English commentary. Korean commentators have a lot of energy and all but nothing beats being able to understand it. edit: Personally I found the gameplay in the GSL at first to be all-in/cheese/awful 10 minute games every time, but with the introduction of new maps/macro style/etc I tend to enjoy it more.
There's no reason the two can't co-exist (as we've already seen they can). The only thing that irks me is when people go into the BW scene and tell people that their scene is dead/should die/etc. >_>
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Both SC2 and SC:BW are great amazing games, choosing one of them is impossible in my eyes.
They both have their good and bad sides 
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I just stopped caring regardless. Most of the flames are generally people trolling for a reaction, so I really don't care about those. Oh no someone on the internet just said that "BW is an archaic piece of shit that just needs to die", what are we to do?! I just chuckle to myself and move on.
If people actually give a reason why they think one game is better or worse that is terribly misguided I might try to explain it why thats not really true to them, but that is pretty much the extent to which I will worry about it.
So many of the posts are motivated purely by emotions, desire to troll, or just plain ignorance. The only ones worth considering at all are the last, and even then alot of times people just don't want to consider the other side of the coin at all. While I do wish people would stop posting random hate because it frequently causes derailment of otherwise decent threads (we are doing ALOT better about this than before though) I personally hardly notice, or care, about the random hate posts.
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The only thing that irks me is when people go into the BW scene and tell people that their scene is dead/should die/etc.
as much as i love both, BW is dying. Fact is SC2 will be around for at least a few more years, the expansions will make sure of that. BW can not stay on life support forever waiting for sc2 to potentially die. The international scene is effectively gone, and i reckon the korea sc2 scene will eventually (unfortunately) whither off as well. People will still play BW, but i think the korea pro scene can only last a little longer.
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On March 08 2011 01:50 TheAura wrote:Show nested quote +The only thing that irks me is when people go into the BW scene and tell people that their scene is dead/should die/etc. as much as i love both, BW is dying. Fact is SC2 will be around for at least a few more years, the expansions will make sure of that. BW can not stay on life support forever waiting for sc2 to potentially die. The international scene is effectively gone, and i reckon the korea sc2 scene will eventually (unfortunately) whither off as well. People will still play BW, but i think the korea pro scene can only last a little longer.
Just....no....
You're probably saying this because of WCG or something like that, The Koreans don't particularly care about WCG compared to pro league/msl/osl because it's not as prestigious. While they have to say things like "we hope to have another korean rep but the competition is stiff" everyone unofficially knows that Koreans will rape any foreign competition and the gold/silver will be in korean hands.
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On March 08 2011 01:50 TheAura wrote:Show nested quote +The only thing that irks me is when people go into the BW scene and tell people that their scene is dead/should die/etc. as much as i love both, BW is dying. Fact is SC2 will be around for at least a few more years, the expansions will make sure of that. BW can not stay on life support forever waiting for sc2 to potentially die. The international scene is effectively gone, and i reckon the korea sc2 scene will eventually (unfortunately) whither off as well. People will still play BW, but i think the korea pro scene can only last a little longer.
He says saying that bothers him,
so you say it
>_<
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I love watching both. There has been times where GSL and BW were on at the same time and I picked based on players. I really hope both stay strong.
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I envy people who can actually like sc2 , watching it aswell as playing it. I would love to try and get good at it and play tournies , I would love to be able to watch all the millions of tournaments out there...But I just can't , I can't help the way I feel about the game so I don't find "the Broodwar" only side that glorious actually
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On March 08 2011 01:53 Trowabarton756 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 01:50 TheAura wrote:The only thing that irks me is when people go into the BW scene and tell people that their scene is dead/should die/etc. as much as i love both, BW is dying. Fact is SC2 will be around for at least a few more years, the expansions will make sure of that. BW can not stay on life support forever waiting for sc2 to potentially die. The international scene is effectively gone, and i reckon the korea sc2 scene will eventually (unfortunately) whither off as well. People will still play BW, but i think the korea pro scene can only last a little longer. Just....no.... You're probably saying this because of WCG or something like that, The Koreans don't particularly care about WCG compared to pro league/msl/osl because it's not as prestigious. While they have to say things like "we hope to have another korean rep but the competition is stiff" everyone unofficially knows that Koreans will rape any foreign competition and the gold/silver will be in korean hands.
The WCG is just another sign that the foreign BW scene is almost gone. So that leaves BW in korea. Now i believe that in future many factors will whither it out. Factors such as how hard it will be to even get started in BW, great money popping up everywhere for SC2 tourneys, who knows how the blizzard kespa thing will turn out. There is more incentive for new players to begin sc2, and the amount of pros playing BW will fall. I hope im wrong though.
He says saying that bothers him,
so you say it
>_<
umm no... he said he hates when people say its dead/should die.. i said that i believe it is dying. I dont want it to die, and i know it isnt dead. I just think it is dying.
Note i truly hope my feelings are wrong, as i very much enjoy both, but i agree with the harry potter reference that was made.
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I don't really pick sides but I'm sort of forced into one group regardless. I love both scenes, but I absolutely can't stand some of the crap that goes on in the BW forums. BW forums have better LR threads by far but in the general section, any mention of liking SC2 as well gets countless replies of elitist stupidity. I gave up trying to appeal to the BW only crowd a long time ago because the fact that I think SC2 is a worthy sequel discredits my entire posts to them. I suppose I'm able to tolerate the "BW should die" idiots easier but at least I don't have to appeal to the SC2 crowd simply because I watch BW also.
Edit: All in all the whole thing is stupid so I've just refrained from posting at all in most threads. Lurker ftw.
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I like both too!
except I'm terrible at broodwar so I mostly just watch -_-;
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On March 08 2011 02:04 xBillehx wrote:
I don't really pick sides but I'm sort of forced into one group regardless. I love both scenes, but I absolutely can't stand some of the crap that goes on in the BW forums. BW forums have better LR threads by far but in the general section, any mention of liking SC2 as well gets countless replies of elitist stupidity. I gave up trying to appeal to the BW only crowd a long time ago because the fact that I think SC2 is a worthy sequel discredits my entire posts to them. I suppose I'm able to tolerate the "BW should die" idiots easier but at least I don't have to appeal to the SC2 crowd simply because I watch BW also.
Its just tough for people who know that BW is the best game ever to cope with the fact that SC2 is taking away all the best foreigners from their scene. Its not elitism. Make a topic in the BW forums asking for help or something. Everyone will help as much as they can and usually do their best to help you.
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I love BW and I'll always stand by it but I also try to limit my douchiness and ire against people who say SC2 is better. Different strokes for different folks, and I can enjoy SC2 as well even if I like another game more.
Sometimes I do feel like saying something elitist and patronizing to people who joined from WC3 or for SC2 but then I also try to stamp down on that urge and tell myself not to be a dumbass. This system mostly works for me. Mostly.
Now I find that the more I can control my urge to respond to SC2 vs. BW posts that annoy me, the less those posts actually annoy and I can just easily ignore them.
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Its just tough for people who know that BW is the best game ever to cope with the fact that SC2 is taking away all the best foreigners from their scene. Its not elitism. Make a topic in the BW forums asking for help or something. Everyone will help as much as they can and usually do their best to help you.
while i agree that BW is a better game, the opinion of best game ever is purely subjective, and to deny that and claim its superiority based on your opinions is indeed showing elitism.
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BW forever, and long live SC2!
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So because it is my opinon that StarCraft 2 is only a mediocre decent game, while StarCraft is awesome, you will punch me in the face?
very mature
I didn't choose my opinion... my opinion was a reaction to playing the games.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
see for me BW outside korea is dead,literally nothing,just mu(japanese) since TSL2 and since then whenever I heard someone say BW is dying I want to kick them in the face with my spiked shoes.
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On March 08 2011 02:10 TheAura wrote:Show nested quote +
Its just tough for people who know that BW is the best game ever to cope with the fact that SC2 is taking away all the best foreigners from their scene. Its not elitism. Make a topic in the BW forums asking for help or something. Everyone will help as much as they can and usually do their best to help you.
while i agree that BW is a better game, the opinion of best game ever is purely subjective, and to deny that and claim its superiority based on your opinions is indeed showing elitism.
Well maybe we just have different understandings of elitism. I would view an elitist attitude as being one that doesn't allow new players to join.
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I like sc2, but it brings no where near the same enjoyment as BW does.
LoL caught my attention way more.
Good blog yo!
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On March 08 2011 02:12 vOdToasT wrote:
So because it is my opinon that StarCraft 2 is only a mediocre decent game, while StarCraft is awesome, you will punch me in the face?
very mature
I didn't choose my opinion... my opinion was a reaction to playing the games.
Whatever,most people don't justify the points they make,as for yourself I can understand your points but aloy of guys react to sc2 like the kt coach reacted to savior's stream.
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You are not pure, the SC2 side doesn't even want you!
I play SC2 because it's a fun game, I'd probably play BW if there was no SC2.
They can both be fun to watch or extremely boring to watch & I do watch quite alot( both).
I seriously don't understand taking any sides. Sometimes the veryvery newbie SC2 guys comments can be quite hilarious though, especially if they are about anything BW.
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So because it is my opinon that StarCraft 2 is only a mediocre decent game, while StarCraft is awesome, you will punch me in the face?
very mature
I didn't choose my opinion... my opinion was a reaction to playing the games
if this was in response to my post, i re-read mine and dont think i portrayed my thoughts correctly.
Yes clearly everyone has their opinion and thats fine, but it is when people belittle others of their opinions (for example sc2>bw) is when the elitist attitude is shown, and a punch to the face may be warranted.
see for me BW outside korea is dead,literally nothing,just mu(japanese) since TSL2 and since then whenever I heard someone say BW is dying I want to kick them in the face with my spiked shoes.
fair enough. Question : how do you think BW is going to fair over the next few years? Less pros playing and less up and coming new players?
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wait, 52 hours? why are you staying up for so long...
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On March 08 2011 02:31 TheAura wrote:
fair enough. Question : how do you think BW is going to fair over the next few years? Less pros playing and less up and coming new players?
For foreigners, I imagine most of the SC2 players will switch back to BW within 2 years. In korea, there is still lots of up and coming new players.
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On March 08 2011 02:34 etheovermind wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 02:31 TheAura wrote:
fair enough. Question : how do you think BW is going to fair over the next few years? Less pros playing and less up and coming new players? For foreigners, I imagine most of the SC2 players will switch back to BW within 2 years. In korea, there is still lots of up and coming new players.
Some pro SC2 players said they enjoyed BW better but they play SC2 because it is popular all around the world, but I doubt they'll switch back because they know they'll never win anything except for foreigners only tournaments  .
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I dont believe foreigners would return. First off they are pros and rely on this to make a living. Money oppurtunities are great in SC2 with it only looking to get much better, and they would surely be destroyed by koreans if they tried to return to BW after such a hiatus. Although if SC2 completely fails i guess its a possibility.
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United Kingdom3685 Posts
What makes me the saddest is that I am actively TRYING to enjoy SC2 as much as BW, but I just can't. I ladder in SC2 almost every day. I watch the GSL live. I watch SC2 streams. I watch every single Day9 Daily. The whole time, I'm trying to get that same feeling I got from BW because I see how successful SC2 is becoming and I want it to be good, but it's just...not.
When I win a game on ICCup, I'm ecstatic. When I first hit D+, I jumped out of my chair and did a victory dance even though I was in my uni's computer lab. In SC2, I feel nothing when I win. I just think "well, I guess my blob was bigger, time to play another". Getting Masters was a joke. I just logged on one day, lost a game then won a game, and "oh...I'm a master?". I haven't gotten nearly the same satisfaction from playing the game as I have from BW.
Then there's spectating. I regularly cast BW events, so I'm sure a lot of people know just how excited I get when there's beautiful storms or clutch reaver control. When I watch Proleague, I'm often on the edge of my seat, freaking out about how a big engagement will turn out. When I watch GSL, my reaction is usually "haha good joke Artosis...oh look his blob died, sucks for him". There's never really any tension or 'Wow' moments. Seeing a blanket of storms in SC2 isn't impressive at all because it's so easy to do.
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On March 08 2011 02:22 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 02:12 vOdToasT wrote:
So because it is my opinon that StarCraft 2 is only a mediocre decent game, while StarCraft is awesome, you will punch me in the face?
very mature
I didn't choose my opinion... my opinion was a reaction to playing the games. Whatever,most people don't justify the points they make,as for yourself I can understand your points but aloy of guys react to sc2 like the kt coach reacted to savior's stream.
It's hard seeing something you like so much get ripped away from you and replaced by something that you find inferior. The people who spout really poor sc2 arguments are hard to ignore. They're so clearly inccorecct (yes we all know they are trolls) yet they are part of the movement that is smothering BW.
Choose however you want... but I'm really curious what the reason is that you can find satisfaction in sc2 when so many others can't. Perhaps you have some ideas on why?
EDIT: Personally for me it feels pretty tragic. When you get introduced to the scene for the first time... there is so much exciting history to learn, and you want to be around to witness the rise of legendary players just like the tl'ers before you got to see. It didn't seem like I had enough time to really get my fill of the scene and the game before sc2 sorta changed (invalidated?) everything.
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I feel pretty much the same way.
(edit- By that I mean liking both, not wanting to punch anyone in the face ^^)
Overall I think BW is better for watching because units don't clump up as much so it's easier to see what's happening and appreciate the good micro.
On the other hand (for me) SC2 is better for playing (because of my sucky mechanics).
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I play both games, i watch both games as a spectator, but I don't watch SC2 unless a zerg is playing. And I stop watching SC2 when a zerg loses. I'm such a racist fanboy when it comes to sc2. In BW, it's different. It's like a passion, I just love it.
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I don't understand your problem. Two hypothetical idiots are fighting, one because he loves X and thinks Y is old and shitty, and the other thinks Y is the greatest and X takes no skill. You're sad because you like X and Y so much that you can't side with either of the idiots?
The SC2/BW argument is idiotic. People will play and enjoy whichever game they play and enjoy. Anyone who tries to tell someone that something they enjoy isn't actually as good as they think and they should enjoy something else more is a jerk and an idiot. You don't need to pick a side. Both arguments are stupid.
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Hey. Didnt you promise to stay away from SC?
How about preparing for that exam now? :p
BW4LYF
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Good post, RawR. I'm totally with you.
I think there are more of us (people who are still involved with both games) than it might seem, you just don't really notice it because we can't take part in the "__ for life!" discussions.
I have no problem with people who greatly prefer one over the other; people are entitled to an opinion, after all. It just kind of sucks when those people forget that the decision is not so cut-and-dry for everyone. They see me defending SC2 and just assume I'm a BW hater, which I'm not at all.
Anyway, grats on 4k.
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I am sad to admit that when sc2 beta came out bw pretty much died in my eyes. I havnt touched it since, and I dont watch it anymore either. BW was and still is an awesome game, and it will always have a place in my heart, but after 12 years of playing the game I had to move on. SC2 was what I needed. I just hope this new game can keep me interested for as long as the first one did.
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On March 08 2011 02:49 Sayle wrote:
What makes me the saddest is that I am actively TRYING to enjoy SC2 as much as BW, but I just can't. I ladder in SC2 almost every day. I watch the GSL live. I watch SC2 streams. I watch every single Day9 Daily. The whole time, I'm trying to get that same feeling I got from BW because I see how successful SC2 is becoming and I want it to be good, but it's just...not.
When I win a game on ICCup, I'm ecstatic. When I first hit D+, I jumped out of my chair and did a victory dance even though I was in my uni's computer lab. In SC2, I feel nothing when I win. I just think "well, I guess my blob was bigger, time to play another". Getting Masters was a joke. I just logged on one day, lost a game then won a game, and "oh...I'm a master?". I haven't gotten nearly the same satisfaction from playing the game as I have from BW.
Then there's spectating. I regularly cast BW events, so I'm sure a lot of people know just how excited I get when there's beautiful storms or clutch reaver control. When I watch Proleague, I'm often on the edge of my seat, freaking out about how a big engagement will turn out. When I watch GSL, my reaction is usually "haha good joke Artosis...oh look his blob died, sucks for him". There's never really any tension or 'Wow' moments. Seeing a blanket of storms in SC2 isn't impressive at all because it's so easy to do.
Yeah, this is pretty much how I feel.
I'm trying SO hard to like sc2. I really am. But I just am not getting the same wonderful feelings watching it / playing sc2 when I played BW. I'm hoping this changes with the expansion pack or a few more updates, but i'm not really quite sure.
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On March 08 2011 05:09 Comeh wrote:
I'm trying SO hard to like sc2. I really am. But I just am not getting the same wonderful feelings watching it / playing sc2 when I played BW. I'm hoping this changes with the expansion pack or a few more updates, but i'm not really quite sure.
I think this is pretty natural, to be honest. I can see what you're saying in that you don't get that same feeling as when you first played BW, but that seems okay. I can't really think of a time when a sequel game felt as magical as the original.
For example, I grew up playing the Pokemon games for Game Boy. I've played some of the newer generations a little, and of course they don't have the same effect on me as they did back then. But I'm sure the kids growing up right now who are playing them think they're great.
Same with WoW. I played at release and it was fucking amazing. Expansions were really awesome and fun for a while, but never the same as the first day I ever played WoW.
So for me, at least, I don't mind if it doesn't perfectly recapture the magic of BW. I still think it's a great game and I expect it to provide similar nostalgia 10 years down the road, it will just be nostalgia of its own kind.
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Just play what you want jeez. Why do you have cognitive dissonance over a video game?
Fact is BW is immortal and you don't have a thing to worry about.
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As Dustin Browder himself said in an interview
Q. Many of the Brood War pros are moving. But there are still holdouts. Do you have a guess on when they will switch?
Who knows? At the end of the day, there are enough changes in Starcraft II: Wings of Liberty that not all Brood War players are going to love. Brood War was extremely tight, very well balanced and a complete experience.
It is very possible that some players, pros and fans, will look at Wings of Liberty and say “I like Brood War better”. Which is fine. Which is great!
Actually, maybe or maybe not. I don’t have enough predictive power to know what happens. The crystal ball that will know what happens are with all the players! I certainly hope that we have created a game as compelling but at the end of the day it is all up them what they think is more fun and some of these guys have been playing this game for 10 years. So that is a hard change to make for a lot of people. And there is no guarantee that they will do it. And we certainly don’t begrudge them if they don’t.
IMO, love the game you love, but don't flame and hate the game you dislike. No need to feed the fire of hate with more fire, especially since it won't be constructive in any manner.
I seriously doubt people change their opinions over internet posts, so I feel that internet arguing is essentially pointless.
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On March 08 2011 02:49 Sayle wrote:
What makes me the saddest is that I am actively TRYING to enjoy SC2 as much as BW, but I just can't. I ladder in SC2 almost every day. I watch the GSL live. I watch SC2 streams. I watch every single Day9 Daily. The whole time, I'm trying to get that same feeling I got from BW because I see how successful SC2 is becoming and I want it to be good, but it's just...not.
When I win a game on ICCup, I'm ecstatic. When I first hit D+, I jumped out of my chair and did a victory dance even though I was in my uni's computer lab. In SC2, I feel nothing when I win. I just think "well, I guess my blob was bigger, time to play another". Getting Masters was a joke. I just logged on one day, lost a game then won a game, and "oh...I'm a master?". I haven't gotten nearly the same satisfaction from playing the game as I have from BW.
Then there's spectating. I regularly cast BW events, so I'm sure a lot of people know just how excited I get when there's beautiful storms or clutch reaver control. When I watch Proleague, I'm often on the edge of my seat, freaking out about how a big engagement will turn out. When I watch GSL, my reaction is usually "haha good joke Artosis...oh look his blob died, sucks for him". There's never really any tension or 'Wow' moments. Seeing a blanket of storms in SC2 isn't impressive at all because it's so easy to do.
Well said sayle , you are a beautiful man (not in a gay way)
and you hit my situation spot on
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I actually only got into BW after watching and playing Starcraft 2. There were a lot of people talking about how different BW was and I wanted to check it out. I did and I love the terran mech style in BW (I play protoss in SC2). I honestly find both equally as enjoyable.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
I just want to say that I am incredibly biased towards BW, so bear that in mind.
I just don't see how so many people prefer Sc2 over BW,
The atmosphere, the commentary. The incredilble micro, macro that players pull off with reavers, hts, defilers or even simply zerglings is amazing to see. The commentary is just passion flowing out of koreans mouth. The fanbase is also amazing(I know this will prolly come in sc2 but until I hear girls scream whenever JD wins or Jangbi storms an entire tank line I won't think it will be as good. Not to mention the amazing amount of FAILS that come with the game.
When Sc2 came out I had high hopes, boy was I dissapoint. I love the game but I can't see why anyone would prefer the ball vs ball gameplay that is going on right now. There is no exciting micro AT ALL for me. Why?Because I compare everything to Brood war right now. Marinekingprime splitting rines to evade banelings?how cool, they have about a bucketload more mechanics and tricks like that in BW. The problem with SC2 as with Sayle is I force myself to enjoy it. But I just can't. Nothing is exciting whenever I compare it with Brood War. I applaud for the rise of E-sports but Starcraft 2 is nothing compared to Brood War for me. I do not choose to argue for BW whenever I post in the Starcraft 2 forum(however this come out alot when people talk about BW and common misconceptions and if they want to understand why we think it is such a good game).
I do not mind that people prefer Starcraft 2 over BW, I just don't understand why.
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On March 08 2011 02:49 Sayle wrote:
What makes me the saddest is that I am actively TRYING to enjoy SC2 as much as BW, but I just can't.
Do what I did and just give up. Even after not playing for months, playing a ZvZ with my rusty mechanics in BW was so fucking intense.
On March 08 2011 08:51 Kipsate wrote:
I do not mind that people prefer Starcraft 2 over BW, I just don't understand why.
Visuals man.. -_- I can understand that to someone who never played BW before, the graphics can look somewhat dated. If sc2 didn't have the retarded trilogy marketing scheme, I still believe that it would die out and get replaced by BW somewhere down the line.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
With starcraft 2,there is always hope,even though there is a lot of whining involved against blizzard,they come through for us in the end,plus if I get to annoyed with SC2,i'll just watch some good BW,because I never get games on iCCup and I get mopped on fish.
one of the few things I want at the moment is actually the ISL to be succesful.so that more people come and play on iCCup for me to play games.
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On March 08 2011 11:00 BLinD-RawR wrote:
With starcraft 2,there is always hope,even though there is a lot of whining involved against blizzard,they come through for us in the end,plus if I get to annoyed with SC2,i'll just watch some good BW,because I never get games on iCCup and I get mopped on fish.
one of the few things I want at the moment is actually the ISL to be succesful.so that more people come and play on iCCup for me to play games.
I don't know how you don't get games on ICCUP, can you host? I get D+ games in like 1 minute.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On March 08 2011 11:10 etheovermind wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 11:00 BLinD-RawR wrote:
With starcraft 2,there is always hope,even though there is a lot of whining involved against blizzard,they come through for us in the end,plus if I get to annoyed with SC2,i'll just watch some good BW,because I never get games on iCCup and I get mopped on fish.
one of the few things I want at the moment is actually the ISL to be succesful.so that more people come and play on iCCup for me to play games. I don't know how you don't get games on ICCUP, can you host? I get D+ games in like 1 minute.
its a level issue I'm only D and I can't host and my router(bob) is a retard because I portforwarding doesn't help.I get mopped by D+ and D- players immediately kick me when I join games and there are no D players left.
so right now I'm stuck to loading up a map in single player and practice build orders,learn to macro and then load up vulture micro maps,both normal(against lings) and the SkyHigh one(against goons).
by the end of today I can truly give you reasons for why I still have hope in SC2.JULY VS NADA WOOT!!!!!!
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On March 08 2011 02:34 etheovermind wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 02:31 TheAura wrote:
fair enough. Question : how do you think BW is going to fair over the next few years? Less pros playing and less up and coming new players? For foreigners, I imagine most of the SC2 players will switch back to BW within 2 years. In korea, there is still lots of up and coming new players.
The expansions won't even be completely out in 2 years, and even when they are out the game is still going to be getting patched. And I have a hard time seeing north american sponsors moving back, if they weren't interested in sponsoring it before I don't see why they would pick it up later.
I play sc2/watch sc2 and also watch every bw event I can catch. I love both the games, bw is already refined and sc2 matches are evolving and getting better every day to spectate which is cool to see the difference even from games a few months ago, a lot less ball games that seem to stem from people still learning the game, and a lot more back and forth.
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On March 08 2011 10:33 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Visuals man.. -_- I can understand that to someone who never played BW before, the graphics can look somewhat dated. If sc2 didn't have the retarded trilogy marketing scheme, I still believe that it would die out and get replaced by BW somewhere down the line.
Man. I know you guys aren't trying to stir up anything but this is exactly what gets us into trouble.
Do you really not see how this is incredibly condescending? I seriously don't know why you think saying things like this is acceptable.
To the others: no one really cares about people not liking SC2 (outside of trolls). It's usually when people try to force their opinion on others that people push back. Pretty much like everything else really. No need to 'force yourself' to like SC2. In the end, the whole point of playing games is to have fun (or get paid allowing others to have fun, or both).
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On March 08 2011 01:20 BLinD-RawR wrote:and every SC2 fan will flame you.
I had no idea there were actually SC2 fans. I thought they were all too busy raging/whining.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On March 08 2011 13:25 Nazza wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 01:20 BLinD-RawR wrote:SC2 is a joke of a game and does not deserve the name starcraft and every SC2 fan will flame you. I had no idea there were actually SC2 fans. I thought they were all too busy raging/whining.
well they do when they get small victories from raging and whining.like today when Blizzard announced that they will be putting up a competant map pool for ladder.
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On March 08 2011 02:56 puppykiller wrote:
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It's hard seeing something you like so much get ripped away from you and replaced by something that you find inferior. The people who spout really poor sc2 arguments are hard to ignore. They're so clearly inccorecct (yes we all know they are trolls) yet they are part of the movement that is smothering BW.
Choose however you want... but I'm really curious what the reason is that you can find satisfaction in sc2 when so many others can't. Perhaps you have some ideas on why?
EDIT: Personally for me it feels pretty tragic. When you get introduced to the scene for the first time... there is so much exciting history to learn, and you want to be around to witness the rise of legendary players just like the tl'ers before you got to see. It didn't seem like I had enough time to really get my fill of the scene and the game before sc2 sorta changed (invalidated?) everything.
I feel the exact same way, i came for sc2 and got into BW about 2 months and haven't touched it since except for maybe some 2v2's with RL friends or something of the sorts. I tried laddering in sc2 today and i just couldn't understand how i thought sc2 was so fun before, it just seems like an easy/bland RTS to me now, i tried watching GSL again but couldn't watch more then 10 minutes of it.
After getting into to BW and seeing the history i feel extremely disappointed on not being able to find out about BW a few years ago to experience the community before sc2, i really hope there would be a resurgence of BW in the foreign community, because so far, i dont see myself ever going to like sc2 over BW, even though i wish i could.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On March 08 2011 11:16 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 11:10 etheovermind wrote:On March 08 2011 11:00 BLinD-RawR wrote:
With starcraft 2,there is always hope,even though there is a lot of whining involved against blizzard,they come through for us in the end,plus if I get to annoyed with SC2,i'll just watch some good BW,because I never get games on iCCup and I get mopped on fish.
one of the few things I want at the moment is actually the ISL to be succesful.so that more people come and play on iCCup for me to play games. I don't know how you don't get games on ICCUP, can you host? I get D+ games in like 1 minute. its a level issue I'm only D and I can't host and my router(bob) is a retard because I portforwarding doesn't help.I get mopped by D+ and D- players immediately kick me when I join games and there are no D players left. so right now I'm stuck to loading up a map in single player and practice build orders,learn to macro and then load up vulture micro maps,both normal(against lings) and the SkyHigh one(against goons). by the end of today I can truly give you reasons for why I still have hope in SC2.JULY VS NADA WOOT!!!!!!
yep July vs NaDa truly gave me hope of SC2 surviving as a spectator sport.the entire series HAD ME AT THE EDGE OF MY SEAT OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!
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I really tried... really hard to like SC2.
Unfortunately Zerg doesn't feel like Zerg in SC2 at all...Bnet 2.0 is the biggest pile of hyped garbage to ever grace the presence of multiplayer gaming...and I just don't like the flow of the game at all.
Makes me sad because I was looking forward to SC2 being amazing. I, like most people, couldn't wait for a sequel to starcraft to come out.
Well it came, and while the game is good, it is not the greatness I expected. I don't really blame SC2...following SCBW is a pretty daunting task.
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On March 08 2011 22:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 11:16 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 08 2011 11:10 etheovermind wrote:On March 08 2011 11:00 BLinD-RawR wrote:
With starcraft 2,there is always hope,even though there is a lot of whining involved against blizzard,they come through for us in the end,plus if I get to annoyed with SC2,i'll just watch some good BW,because I never get games on iCCup and I get mopped on fish.
one of the few things I want at the moment is actually the ISL to be succesful.so that more people come and play on iCCup for me to play games. I don't know how you don't get games on ICCUP, can you host? I get D+ games in like 1 minute. its a level issue I'm only D and I can't host and my router(bob) is a retard because I portforwarding doesn't help.I get mopped by D+ and D- players immediately kick me when I join games and there are no D players left. so right now I'm stuck to loading up a map in single player and practice build orders,learn to macro and then load up vulture micro maps,both normal(against lings) and the SkyHigh one(against goons). by the end of today I can truly give you reasons for why I still have hope in SC2.JULY VS NADA WOOT!!!!!! yep July vs NaDa truly gave me hope of SC2 surviving as a spectator sport.the entire series HAD ME AT THE EDGE OF MY SEAT OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!
Agreed. That series was quite back-and-forth and completely epic.
IMO, the average SC2 pro match may not be as entertaining as the average BW match, but the best SC2 matches are as entertaining, if not more so, as the best BW matches. Sure, it may be boring to watch ball vs ball gameplay from passive non-Koreans. However, the top Koreans are often playing games with absolutely insane multitasking, aggression, tech switches, and macro that are as exciting and entertaining as the best of BW.
I would not underestimate the spectator value of SC2 until some of the more epic BW-esque games are seen. The game has tons of potential, and with better maps and better players being developed, we are tapping into the tip of this iceberg of potential.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On March 08 2011 22:19 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 22:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 08 2011 11:16 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 08 2011 11:10 etheovermind wrote:On March 08 2011 11:00 BLinD-RawR wrote:
With starcraft 2,there is always hope,even though there is a lot of whining involved against blizzard,they come through for us in the end,plus if I get to annoyed with SC2,i'll just watch some good BW,because I never get games on iCCup and I get mopped on fish.
one of the few things I want at the moment is actually the ISL to be succesful.so that more people come and play on iCCup for me to play games. I don't know how you don't get games on ICCUP, can you host? I get D+ games in like 1 minute. its a level issue I'm only D and I can't host and my router(bob) is a retard because I portforwarding doesn't help.I get mopped by D+ and D- players immediately kick me when I join games and there are no D players left. so right now I'm stuck to loading up a map in single player and practice build orders,learn to macro and then load up vulture micro maps,both normal(against lings) and the SkyHigh one(against goons). by the end of today I can truly give you reasons for why I still have hope in SC2.JULY VS NADA WOOT!!!!!! yep July vs NaDa truly gave me hope of SC2 surviving as a spectator sport.the entire series HAD ME AT THE EDGE OF MY SEAT OH MY FUCKING GOD!!! Agreed. That series was quite back-and-forth and completely epic. IMO, the average SC2 pro match may not be as entertaining as the average BW match, but the best SC2 matches are as entertaining, if not more so, as the best BW matches. Sure, it may be boring to watch ball vs ball gameplay from passive non-Koreans. However, the top Koreans are often playing games with absolutely insane multitasking, aggression, tech switches, and macro that are as exciting and entertaining as the best of BW. I would not underestimate the spectator value of SC2 until some of the more epic BW-esque games are seen. The game has tons of potential, and with better maps and better players being developed, we are tapping into the tip of this iceberg of potential.
seriously,even though it was normal mutaling compostion by july it felt so different and NaDa holding off everything that July throws it was just crazy.It was normal but it felt soo....different like on a higher level.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Hmm I feel like writing a blog to let SC2 people understand why BW feels this way(as I am more of a BW fan then a sc2 fan) and hopefully have some more understanding of how we(oke I, don't want to speak for everyone) feel(s), Then again, I doubt anyone would read it.
These days their are so many uninformed posts from both sides. Because seriously, it is getting so annoying to see alot of threads end up like this.
1. random topic
2. Someone brings in a comparison of BW to SC2
3. SC2 people rant
4. BW people rant back
5. no discussion at all,just meaningless namecalling,baseless arguments and flaming
6. Topic derailed
Either that or
1. SCbw to be dropped, from whatever competition, or not included
2. SC2 guys:Bw is dead
3. SCBW guys: Bw never dies, it is so much better then sc2
4. Thread derailed, flaming ensues.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On March 09 2011 01:38 Kipsate wrote:
Hmm I feel like writing a blog to let SC2 people understand why BW feels this way(as I am more of a BW fan then a sc2 fan) and hopefully have some more understanding of how we(oke I, don't want to speak for everyone) feel(s), Then again, I doubt anyone would read it.
These days their are so many uninformed posts from both sides. Because seriously, it is getting so annoying to see alot of threads end up like this.
1. random topic
2. Someone brings in a comparison of BW to SC2
3. SC2 people rant
4. BW people rant back
5. no discussion at all,just meaningless namecalling,baseless arguments and flaming
6. Topic derailed
Either that or
1. SCbw to be dropped, from whatever competition, or not included
2. SC2 guys:Bw is dead
3. SCBW guys: Bw never dies, it is so much better then sc2
4. Thread derailed, flaming ensues.
yep,thats pretty much the regular day on teamliquid....the last time SC2 and BW guys got along was on OSL/GSL4 finals day.
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On March 09 2011 01:23 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 22:19 eviltomahawk wrote:On March 08 2011 22:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 08 2011 11:16 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 08 2011 11:10 etheovermind wrote:On March 08 2011 11:00 BLinD-RawR wrote:
With starcraft 2,there is always hope,even though there is a lot of whining involved against blizzard,they come through for us in the end,plus if I get to annoyed with SC2,i'll just watch some good BW,because I never get games on iCCup and I get mopped on fish.
one of the few things I want at the moment is actually the ISL to be succesful.so that more people come and play on iCCup for me to play games. I don't know how you don't get games on ICCUP, can you host? I get D+ games in like 1 minute. its a level issue I'm only D and I can't host and my router(bob) is a retard because I portforwarding doesn't help.I get mopped by D+ and D- players immediately kick me when I join games and there are no D players left. so right now I'm stuck to loading up a map in single player and practice build orders,learn to macro and then load up vulture micro maps,both normal(against lings) and the SkyHigh one(against goons). by the end of today I can truly give you reasons for why I still have hope in SC2.JULY VS NADA WOOT!!!!!! yep July vs NaDa truly gave me hope of SC2 surviving as a spectator sport.the entire series HAD ME AT THE EDGE OF MY SEAT OH MY FUCKING GOD!!! Agreed. That series was quite back-and-forth and completely epic. IMO, the average SC2 pro match may not be as entertaining as the average BW match, but the best SC2 matches are as entertaining, if not more so, as the best BW matches. Sure, it may be boring to watch ball vs ball gameplay from passive non-Koreans. However, the top Koreans are often playing games with absolutely insane multitasking, aggression, tech switches, and macro that are as exciting and entertaining as the best of BW. I would not underestimate the spectator value of SC2 until some of the more epic BW-esque games are seen. The game has tons of potential, and with better maps and better players being developed, we are tapping into the tip of this iceberg of potential. seriously,even though it was normal mutaling compostion by july it felt so different and NaDa holding off everything that July throws it was just crazy.It was normal but it felt soo....different like on a higher level.
No matter what you say in the OP, you seem like you like SC2 a bit more than BW. If you do, thats ok but don't try to pretend you like them both equally just to try to convince people who play BW to stop pointing out problems in SC2.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On March 09 2011 06:03 etheovermind wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 01:23 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 08 2011 22:19 eviltomahawk wrote:On March 08 2011 22:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 08 2011 11:16 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 08 2011 11:10 etheovermind wrote:On March 08 2011 11:00 BLinD-RawR wrote:
With starcraft 2,there is always hope,even though there is a lot of whining involved against blizzard,they come through for us in the end,plus if I get to annoyed with SC2,i'll just watch some good BW,because I never get games on iCCup and I get mopped on fish.
one of the few things I want at the moment is actually the ISL to be succesful.so that more people come and play on iCCup for me to play games. I don't know how you don't get games on ICCUP, can you host? I get D+ games in like 1 minute. its a level issue I'm only D and I can't host and my router(bob) is a retard because I portforwarding doesn't help.I get mopped by D+ and D- players immediately kick me when I join games and there are no D players left. so right now I'm stuck to loading up a map in single player and practice build orders,learn to macro and then load up vulture micro maps,both normal(against lings) and the SkyHigh one(against goons). by the end of today I can truly give you reasons for why I still have hope in SC2.JULY VS NADA WOOT!!!!!! yep July vs NaDa truly gave me hope of SC2 surviving as a spectator sport.the entire series HAD ME AT THE EDGE OF MY SEAT OH MY FUCKING GOD!!! Agreed. That series was quite back-and-forth and completely epic. IMO, the average SC2 pro match may not be as entertaining as the average BW match, but the best SC2 matches are as entertaining, if not more so, as the best BW matches. Sure, it may be boring to watch ball vs ball gameplay from passive non-Koreans. However, the top Koreans are often playing games with absolutely insane multitasking, aggression, tech switches, and macro that are as exciting and entertaining as the best of BW. I would not underestimate the spectator value of SC2 until some of the more epic BW-esque games are seen. The game has tons of potential, and with better maps and better players being developed, we are tapping into the tip of this iceberg of potential. seriously,even though it was normal mutaling compostion by july it felt so different and NaDa holding off everything that July throws it was just crazy.It was normal but it felt soo....different like on a higher level. No matter what you say in the OP, you seem like you like SC2 a bit more than BW. If you do, thats ok but don't try to pretend you like them both equally just to try to convince people who play BW to stop pointing out problems in SC2.
dude its july vs nada....I have to give it extra attention.
I was,am and always will be a proud BW fanboy who also happens to like SC2 too.
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On March 09 2011 06:03 etheovermind wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 01:23 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 08 2011 22:19 eviltomahawk wrote:On March 08 2011 22:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 08 2011 11:16 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 08 2011 11:10 etheovermind wrote:On March 08 2011 11:00 BLinD-RawR wrote:
With starcraft 2,there is always hope,even though there is a lot of whining involved against blizzard,they come through for us in the end,plus if I get to annoyed with SC2,i'll just watch some good BW,because I never get games on iCCup and I get mopped on fish.
one of the few things I want at the moment is actually the ISL to be succesful.so that more people come and play on iCCup for me to play games. I don't know how you don't get games on ICCUP, can you host? I get D+ games in like 1 minute. its a level issue I'm only D and I can't host and my router(bob) is a retard because I portforwarding doesn't help.I get mopped by D+ and D- players immediately kick me when I join games and there are no D players left. so right now I'm stuck to loading up a map in single player and practice build orders,learn to macro and then load up vulture micro maps,both normal(against lings) and the SkyHigh one(against goons). by the end of today I can truly give you reasons for why I still have hope in SC2.JULY VS NADA WOOT!!!!!! yep July vs NaDa truly gave me hope of SC2 surviving as a spectator sport.the entire series HAD ME AT THE EDGE OF MY SEAT OH MY FUCKING GOD!!! Agreed. That series was quite back-and-forth and completely epic. IMO, the average SC2 pro match may not be as entertaining as the average BW match, but the best SC2 matches are as entertaining, if not more so, as the best BW matches. Sure, it may be boring to watch ball vs ball gameplay from passive non-Koreans. However, the top Koreans are often playing games with absolutely insane multitasking, aggression, tech switches, and macro that are as exciting and entertaining as the best of BW. I would not underestimate the spectator value of SC2 until some of the more epic BW-esque games are seen. The game has tons of potential, and with better maps and better players being developed, we are tapping into the tip of this iceberg of potential. seriously,even though it was normal mutaling compostion by july it felt so different and NaDa holding off everything that July throws it was just crazy.It was normal but it felt soo....different like on a higher level. No matter what you say in the OP, you seem like you like SC2 a bit more than BW. If you do, thats ok but don't try to pretend you like them both equally just to try to convince people who play BW to stop pointing out problems in SC2.
This post made me think about "one less KT fan to deal with" QQ
+ Show Spoiler +If he will ,ultimately , choose SC2 over BW :p
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On March 09 2011 22:42 aimaimaim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 06:03 etheovermind wrote:On March 09 2011 01:23 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 08 2011 22:19 eviltomahawk wrote:On March 08 2011 22:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 08 2011 11:16 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 08 2011 11:10 etheovermind wrote:On March 08 2011 11:00 BLinD-RawR wrote:
With starcraft 2,there is always hope,even though there is a lot of whining involved against blizzard,they come through for us in the end,plus if I get to annoyed with SC2,i'll just watch some good BW,because I never get games on iCCup and I get mopped on fish.
one of the few things I want at the moment is actually the ISL to be succesful.so that more people come and play on iCCup for me to play games. I don't know how you don't get games on ICCUP, can you host? I get D+ games in like 1 minute. its a level issue I'm only D and I can't host and my router(bob) is a retard because I portforwarding doesn't help.I get mopped by D+ and D- players immediately kick me when I join games and there are no D players left. so right now I'm stuck to loading up a map in single player and practice build orders,learn to macro and then load up vulture micro maps,both normal(against lings) and the SkyHigh one(against goons). by the end of today I can truly give you reasons for why I still have hope in SC2.JULY VS NADA WOOT!!!!!! yep July vs NaDa truly gave me hope of SC2 surviving as a spectator sport.the entire series HAD ME AT THE EDGE OF MY SEAT OH MY FUCKING GOD!!! Agreed. That series was quite back-and-forth and completely epic. IMO, the average SC2 pro match may not be as entertaining as the average BW match, but the best SC2 matches are as entertaining, if not more so, as the best BW matches. Sure, it may be boring to watch ball vs ball gameplay from passive non-Koreans. However, the top Koreans are often playing games with absolutely insane multitasking, aggression, tech switches, and macro that are as exciting and entertaining as the best of BW. I would not underestimate the spectator value of SC2 until some of the more epic BW-esque games are seen. The game has tons of potential, and with better maps and better players being developed, we are tapping into the tip of this iceberg of potential. seriously,even though it was normal mutaling compostion by july it felt so different and NaDa holding off everything that July throws it was just crazy.It was normal but it felt soo....different like on a higher level. No matter what you say in the OP, you seem like you like SC2 a bit more than BW. If you do, thats ok but don't try to pretend you like them both equally just to try to convince people who play BW to stop pointing out problems in SC2. This post made me think about "one less KT fan to deal with" QQ + Show Spoiler +If he will ,ultimately , choose SC2 over BW :p
That a fucking huge if you have there,I will NEVER stop being a KT(BW) fan for a life in SC2.
that that you fear my awesome KT fanboism makes me a happy fanboy.
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