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Kellymilkies GSL casting - the first week - Page 2

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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-02 17:16:57
March 02 2011 16:53 GMT
#21
I think with a little bit of practice and patience from us viewers, she can be a really great addition. It is good to mix things up and it's nice to have a female voice casting as well. Here are some ideas I had to help her improve.

A few weeks ago I mentioned that she needed to slow down and not get as excited yet. She should practice with a sound recorder and listen to her casts. I've done a few casts and I noticed that I tend to slur my "s" when I get excited so I repeatedly practiced pronouncing the "s" sound correctly until I got it right. I've taken a few speech classes as well as singing classes so it's not too hard to practice this.

1. Needs to learn to say "L" correctly. This is the hardest problem for most asians since it is pronounced completely differently. Use L tongue twisters for this. L is pronounced putting the tip of the tongue at the top of the mouth and dropping it. There's plenty of videos online on how to fix this

2. Enunciation. Unlike asian languages, english needs to be enunciated in order to be understood. It sounds a lot cleaner too. She should focus on over-enunciating for a few weeks until she gets into a comfortable position. She tends to slur words together and by pronouncing each sllyable seperately, she will get better. A great example is Arnold Schwarzenegger. He has a thick austrian accent, but you can understand him because he over-enunciates everything. She doesn't need to be as drastic, but right now she doesn't enunciate.

3. Stop using the word "like" and "uh". Tasteless really needs to work on this as well. A good technique is whenever you are about to say "like" or "uh" is to just say nothing instead. Pausing is always fine and it sounds much better. Eventually you get used to it and you can talk faster and more clearly.

4. Learn the vowel "u". She has gotten a little bit better, but her "u" as in "push" sounds like "poosh". The sound she is making is the "oo" sound when she needs to make a sound more like "u" as in lush.

5. Don't make assumptions about builds. She said "He's pulling drones off gas means he is going to go all in" or "huk is build 4 gates, it really needs to be scouted(on 2 base XD)". A better statement would be "He's pulling drones off gas, I guess he isn't going to be teching" and "Huk is building 4 gates, I wonder if he plans on making 2 more for a mid game push or is he going to tech". The best casters ask questions about a players play, even artosis. At some point it becomes obvious what they are going to do. The only people i've heard predict builds accurately are artosis, idra, tyler and incontrol, so unless you are one of those 4, don't predict builds. Tasteless does this a little, but he doesn't make his statements so boldly. Kelly needs to understand that it sound bad for her when she is corrected by tasteless and predicts wrong. Asking questions is much better for her role. Jason Lee is a perfect example, he knew nothing about the game, but he asked questions of the other caster and it creates a nice balance. Tasteless does this with artosis as well.

I wish her well in the future and hope she is really practicing hard, because it's still really hard to listen to.
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Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
March 02 2011 17:19 GMT
#22
Haha but you guys are atrocious ! Anyone of you ever been standing in front of a camera ? It's not easy to become pro like that.

Now Asian accent if anyone's mistake is Gom's since they made the decision, so, in the casting context of the gsl, not something she can be held responsible for. Besides this, every thing you guys usually point out isn't really accent related, but pure diction stress in front of an audience, something perfectly natural and very common that will disapear once the person will get accustomed to it.

Her English not beeing perfect is something everyone that likes Sc Esports should start beeing familiar to, because most of Asian people involved in gaming don't have that great of an English to begin with.
lutarez
Profile Joined November 2010
United States65 Posts
March 02 2011 17:32 GMT
#23
Singlish is more of a regional English dialect than just an "Asian accent". -_-

Not to be mean, but not many English speakers I know, native or otherwise, really feel that that particular dialect is soothing to listen to.
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
March 02 2011 17:42 GMT
#24
On March 03 2011 02:32 lutarez wrote:
Singlish is more of a regional English dialect than just an "Asian accent". -_-

Not to be mean, but not many English speakers I know, native or otherwise, really feel that that particular dialect is soothing to listen to.

uh she isn't speaking Singlish, you'd know by the grammar and vocab if she were. It's an accent that she speaks with, not a dialect.
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TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
March 02 2011 17:48 GMT
#25
The only thing i dislike about kelly is her voice and accent, both things can obviously be worked on. Overall I'm definitely happy with her casting the GSL, especially after the artosis high five denial :D
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DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
March 02 2011 17:50 GMT
#26
I think after working with artosis she's gotten much more comfortable and now actually has some chemistry with tastosis also.

I don't know if it has to do with being familiar with accents or not, but I've never had a problem with her voice (but that's one of those things that's all just subjective).
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
March 02 2011 17:54 GMT
#27
On March 03 2011 01:23 valaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2011 00:59 The KY wrote:
On March 03 2011 00:41 Khenra wrote:
I prefer the soothing male voices of Tasteless and Artosis.


There's a thread for Gay Starcraft Players, man.

No hard feelings towards Kelly.


Yeah...okay, dude. Here you go.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147829


No need to whiteknight that much.


Relax, I was just kidding. I don't hate Kelly and I think the ferocity that people have attacked her with is both weird and totally uncalled for, but I'm not a Kelly cheerleader. I don't watch so much Code A anyway.
Foreplay
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1154 Posts
March 02 2011 17:58 GMT
#28
I don't want to be a dick. But personally her voice does not agree with my ears at all and i don't find her game knowledge to be anything special. Everyone seems to be coming around to her and maybe i will too but i just think we should expect a higher quality of casting from the GSL.
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lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
March 02 2011 18:03 GMT
#29
She was way better than most people expected. I think a decent part of the community who know of Singlish can understand her fine. All the other points are pretty minor imo. She actually tries to contribute interesting strategic/tactical information/insights instead of being a mute. It's a much different role than Suzy (?) and one that I like better.
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
March 02 2011 18:25 GMT
#30
I will admit I wished it had been TorcH instead of her at first, but that's no reason to go slagging her on the internet when she hasn't even casted yet, and the response to her casting really saddened me. Fortunately, she's done pretty well at silencing the critics. She's not perfect, but she's no worse than Tastosis were when they first started out (go listen to some old GSL1 casts, they're actually quite bad in comparison to what we've come to expect from Tastosis now). And she's improved already, so there's no reason to believe she won't get even better in the future.
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Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-02 18:31:31
March 02 2011 18:30 GMT
#31
I have no problems with her from the start and have none now, she is getting better too.

I watch the GSL because of the games though and care less about the commentators, which all people should.
N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
March 02 2011 18:36 GMT
#32
I really like her O.o

I don't have difficulty understanding what she is saying, she's pretty damn funny, cute as hell, and brings a different kind of person to the cast entirely.

I can't really see how people are so insane...but that's an everyday kinda thing for me.
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whaty0uwant
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand346 Posts
March 02 2011 18:58 GMT
#33
Lol, people need to stfu, it's her first time casting in front of a really significant audience and tv, give her a fucking break.
GreatFall
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1061 Posts
March 02 2011 19:10 GMT
#34
I agree with the OP's analysis. I think that if Kelly could make a strong effort to enunciate her words, that would already be a huge improvement. Everything else is minor and I'm sure she will be able to fix!
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_hate
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Japan112 Posts
March 02 2011 19:11 GMT
#35
On March 03 2011 03:36 N3rV[Green] wrote:
I really like her O.o

I don't have difficulty understanding what she is saying, she's pretty damn funny, cute as hell, and brings a different kind of person to the cast entirely.

I can't really see how people are so insane...but that's an everyday kinda thing for me.

ditto that

I live in Canada, you hear a whole bunch of different accents and don't really care about it. If it's understandable, then respect.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
March 02 2011 19:43 GMT
#36
Great OP for the most part. I can agree with most of it. Great writing except for the spelling of repitition, har har.

I'm sure she'll get good if she stays. Not sure what her situation is right now.
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Helios.Star
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States548 Posts
March 02 2011 19:43 GMT
#37
On March 03 2011 01:19 DayJP wrote:
Show nested quote +
her game knowledge is remarkable compared to the expectations, and she can provide valuable information from time to time.


uh... she just said "he pulled the drones off the gas, so he's probably going for an all-in" in a stream



but I guess I agree on most parts with OP: My worst fears didn't come true. that's a fact. Code A IS watchable. I still have a hard ass time understanding a lot of stuff she says =(.

Not sure I really care tho

edit: also, my signature. I LMAO when tasteless "translated" what she said :D


Yeah I agree with that. I was worried that I would just end up skipping code A days and only watching S, but that isnt the case. I still find her accent incredibly hard to understand at times, but her personality kind of makes up for it.
MacroNcheesE
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States508 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-02 19:56:05
March 02 2011 19:53 GMT
#38
I agree with the repetition part. Especially when she repeats what Artosis/Tasteless said word for word immediately after they say it, sometimes she'll do it twice in a row.

I don't know a second language. So this might be beneficial for her improving her English as a whole. But my God it really eats at me lol, I guess it's a personal pet peeve really... Because I hate it when I'm around a group of people and somebody is doing the same thing.

Overall though, she's doing a decent job. Sometimes she still gets ahead of herself in a couple of different aspects, whether it be casting the current action in the game and being wrong about it, or getting too excited and speaking some sort of mutant form of English.
Doubt is the venom that has paralyzed humanity.
kazansky
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany931 Posts
March 02 2011 20:08 GMT
#39
On March 03 2011 04:43 Djzapz wrote:
Great OP for the most part. I can agree with most of it. Great writing except for the spelling of repitition, har har.


Ouch, I feel so embarassed!
Fixed, thanks for pointing out.
"Mathematicians don't understand mathematics, they get used to it." - Prof. Kredler || "That was more one-sided that a mobius strip." - Tasteless
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
March 02 2011 20:17 GMT
#40
I went to her youtube page just so I can see what everyone's talking about. I can understand her fine but I guess that's because I've dealt with Singaporeans before.

But yeah Singaporean English (Not Singlish) is not exactly the easiest to understand and they speak so god damn fast rofl.
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