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I think with a little bit of practice and patience from us viewers, she can be a really great addition. It is good to mix things up and it's nice to have a female voice casting as well. Here are some ideas I had to help her improve.
A few weeks ago I mentioned that she needed to slow down and not get as excited yet. She should practice with a sound recorder and listen to her casts. I've done a few casts and I noticed that I tend to slur my "s" when I get excited so I repeatedly practiced pronouncing the "s" sound correctly until I got it right. I've taken a few speech classes as well as singing classes so it's not too hard to practice this.
1. Needs to learn to say "L" correctly. This is the hardest problem for most asians since it is pronounced completely differently. Use L tongue twisters for this. L is pronounced putting the tip of the tongue at the top of the mouth and dropping it. There's plenty of videos online on how to fix this
2. Enunciation. Unlike asian languages, english needs to be enunciated in order to be understood. It sounds a lot cleaner too. She should focus on over-enunciating for a few weeks until she gets into a comfortable position. She tends to slur words together and by pronouncing each sllyable seperately, she will get better. A great example is Arnold Schwarzenegger. He has a thick austrian accent, but you can understand him because he over-enunciates everything. She doesn't need to be as drastic, but right now she doesn't enunciate.
3. Stop using the word "like" and "uh". Tasteless really needs to work on this as well. A good technique is whenever you are about to say "like" or "uh" is to just say nothing instead. Pausing is always fine and it sounds much better. Eventually you get used to it and you can talk faster and more clearly.
4. Learn the vowel "u". She has gotten a little bit better, but her "u" as in "push" sounds like "poosh". The sound she is making is the "oo" sound when she needs to make a sound more like "u" as in lush.
5. Don't make assumptions about builds. She said "He's pulling drones off gas means he is going to go all in" or "huk is build 4 gates, it really needs to be scouted(on 2 base XD)". A better statement would be "He's pulling drones off gas, I guess he isn't going to be teching" and "Huk is building 4 gates, I wonder if he plans on making 2 more for a mid game push or is he going to tech". The best casters ask questions about a players play, even artosis. At some point it becomes obvious what they are going to do. The only people i've heard predict builds accurately are artosis, idra, tyler and incontrol, so unless you are one of those 4, don't predict builds. Tasteless does this a little, but he doesn't make his statements so boldly. Kelly needs to understand that it sound bad for her when she is corrected by tasteless and predicts wrong. Asking questions is much better for her role. Jason Lee is a perfect example, he knew nothing about the game, but he asked questions of the other caster and it creates a nice balance. Tasteless does this with artosis as well.
I wish her well in the future and hope she is really practicing hard, because it's still really hard to listen to.
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Haha but you guys are atrocious ! Anyone of you ever been standing in front of a camera ? It's not easy to become pro like that.
Now Asian accent if anyone's mistake is Gom's since they made the decision, so, in the casting context of the gsl, not something she can be held responsible for. Besides this, every thing you guys usually point out isn't really accent related, but pure diction stress in front of an audience, something perfectly natural and very common that will disapear once the person will get accustomed to it.
Her English not beeing perfect is something everyone that likes Sc Esports should start beeing familiar to, because most of Asian people involved in gaming don't have that great of an English to begin with.
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Singlish is more of a regional English dialect than just an "Asian accent". -_-
Not to be mean, but not many English speakers I know, native or otherwise, really feel that that particular dialect is soothing to listen to.
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On March 03 2011 02:32 lutarez wrote:
Singlish is more of a regional English dialect than just an "Asian accent". -_-
Not to be mean, but not many English speakers I know, native or otherwise, really feel that that particular dialect is soothing to listen to.
uh she isn't speaking Singlish, you'd know by the grammar and vocab if she were. It's an accent that she speaks with, not a dialect.
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The only thing i dislike about kelly is her voice and accent, both things can obviously be worked on. Overall I'm definitely happy with her casting the GSL, especially after the artosis high five denial :D
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I think after working with artosis she's gotten much more comfortable and now actually has some chemistry with tastosis also.
I don't know if it has to do with being familiar with accents or not, but I've never had a problem with her voice (but that's one of those things that's all just subjective).
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On March 03 2011 01:23 valaki wrote:No need to whiteknight that much.
Relax, I was just kidding. I don't hate Kelly and I think the ferocity that people have attacked her with is both weird and totally uncalled for, but I'm not a Kelly cheerleader. I don't watch so much Code A anyway.
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I don't want to be a dick. But personally her voice does not agree with my ears at all and i don't find her game knowledge to be anything special. Everyone seems to be coming around to her and maybe i will too but i just think we should expect a higher quality of casting from the GSL.
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She was way better than most people expected. I think a decent part of the community who know of Singlish can understand her fine. All the other points are pretty minor imo. She actually tries to contribute interesting strategic/tactical information/insights instead of being a mute. It's a much different role than Suzy (?) and one that I like better.
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I will admit I wished it had been TorcH instead of her at first, but that's no reason to go slagging her on the internet when she hasn't even casted yet, and the response to her casting really saddened me. Fortunately, she's done pretty well at silencing the critics. She's not perfect, but she's no worse than Tastosis were when they first started out (go listen to some old GSL1 casts, they're actually quite bad in comparison to what we've come to expect from Tastosis now). And she's improved already, so there's no reason to believe she won't get even better in the future.
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I have no problems with her from the start and have none now, she is getting better too.
I watch the GSL because of the games though and care less about the commentators, which all people should.
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I really like her O.o
I don't have difficulty understanding what she is saying, she's pretty damn funny, cute as hell, and brings a different kind of person to the cast entirely.
I can't really see how people are so insane...but that's an everyday kinda thing for me.
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Lol, people need to stfu, it's her first time casting in front of a really significant audience and tv, give her a fucking break.
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I agree with the OP's analysis. I think that if Kelly could make a strong effort to enunciate her words, that would already be a huge improvement. Everything else is minor and I'm sure she will be able to fix!
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On March 03 2011 03:36 N3rV[Green] wrote:
I really like her O.o
I don't have difficulty understanding what she is saying, she's pretty damn funny, cute as hell, and brings a different kind of person to the cast entirely.
I can't really see how people are so insane...but that's an everyday kinda thing for me.
ditto that
I live in Canada, you hear a whole bunch of different accents and don't really care about it. If it's understandable, then respect.
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Great OP for the most part. I can agree with most of it. Great writing except for the spelling of repitition, har har.
I'm sure she'll get good if she stays. Not sure what her situation is right now.
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On March 03 2011 01:19 DayJP wrote:Show nested quote +her game knowledge is remarkable compared to the expectations, and she can provide valuable information from time to time. uh... she just said "he pulled the drones off the gas, so he's probably going for an all-in" in a stream but I guess I agree on most parts with OP: My worst fears didn't come true. that's a fact. Code A IS watchable. I still have a hard ass time understanding a lot of stuff she says =(.Not sure I really care tho edit: also, my signature. I LMAO when tasteless "translated" what she said :D
Yeah I agree with that. I was worried that I would just end up skipping code A days and only watching S, but that isnt the case. I still find her accent incredibly hard to understand at times, but her personality kind of makes up for it.
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I agree with the repetition part. Especially when she repeats what Artosis/Tasteless said word for word immediately after they say it, sometimes she'll do it twice in a row.
I don't know a second language. So this might be beneficial for her improving her English as a whole. But my God it really eats at me lol, I guess it's a personal pet peeve really... Because I hate it when I'm around a group of people and somebody is doing the same thing.
Overall though, she's doing a decent job. Sometimes she still gets ahead of herself in a couple of different aspects, whether it be casting the current action in the game and being wrong about it, or getting too excited and speaking some sort of mutant form of English.
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On March 03 2011 04:43 Djzapz wrote:
Great OP for the most part. I can agree with most of it. Great writing except for the spelling of repitition, har har.
Ouch, I feel so embarassed! 
Fixed, thanks for pointing out.
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I went to her youtube page just so I can see what everyone's talking about. I can understand her fine but I guess that's because I've dealt with Singaporeans before.
But yeah Singaporean English (Not Singlish) is not exactly the easiest to understand and they speak so god damn fast rofl.
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