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On February 24 2011 11:33 Megaliskuu wrote:Haypro is really fucking good, and I hate how much shit people talk about him. Ganzi was an A-Teamer (not a very good one, but a bad a-teamer>ALOT OF PEOPLE), who has now been playing sc2 hard for a few months. I'm sure haypro will show good results soon. Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 09:59 Talin wrote:
It's similar to the July vs mvp issue I bring up a lot these days. A lot of newer fans considered mvp as a God among men, but just by knowing their background you know that July is fundamentally a better RTS player by a huge margin, huge.
. Yes July was very successful in the past, but in the last 2 years or so, he accomplished absolutely nothing in bw, barely qualifying for any MSL/OSL, while MVP was a rising star who hasn't really broken into the scene yet (aside form his MSL RO4).
I wouldn't have called MVP a rising star by any measure. At most he was on his way to making Proleague rotation.
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Australia8532 Posts
HayprO managed to draw probably the favourite in Code A .. Ganzi is a monster Terran and HayprO was able to hold his own..
I don't think this is the last we will see of him..
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Still think HayprO is such a fucking baller. We have yet to see the best from him.
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I have to say im really suprised to see all the negativity towards hayder, both from his GSL games today and from the fact that he got an invite to the TSL.
There is no doubt that hayder is an amazingly skilled zerg player, both now and in broodwar.
He always seems to get the most unlucky draws when it comes to tournaments concidering how good GanZi is it's really no suprise that he would have a hard time, look at the terrible zerg that huk played against in comparison.
I think its a real shame for hayder's sake however as i'd say he is probably the only one in team liquid that has yet not gotten the oppertunity to show his real potential, though i think a lot of us knows that he has mad potential.
If he can manage to get over his nerves and get back into the code A i wouldnt be suprised to see him compete in code S sometime within the next few months.
You really shouldnt underestimate a player of hayders caliber and his previous achievements in sc1 can really back this up, being pretty much the top swedish player and one of the best europeans overall really speaks in his favor, he is just a beast waiting to be released.
hayder hwaiting!
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For the record MVP never made the MSL ro4, just the ro8. I know Artosis has made that mistake on air several times.
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On February 24 2011 12:19 Turgid wrote:
For the record MVP never made the MSL ro4, just the ro8. I know Artosis has made that mistake on air several times.
To give him credit he did take a game off a pretty much invincible Flash.
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Yeah definitely. Beating Flash in 2010 is a serious thing to do. It just wasn't reflective of his other results IMO.
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On February 24 2011 12:47 Turgid wrote:
Yeah definitely. Beating Flash in 2010 is a serious thing to do. It just wasn't reflective of his other results IMO.
If you go down the list of people he beat its really impressive. Mind, Stork, Best, Kal, Snow, Baby in a series. He was quickly rising in skill.
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On February 24 2011 09:12 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 09:04 Catch]22 wrote:
When you say "conventionally accepted", do you mean everything except where he got caught cheating at Dreamhack and thrown out of ToT? As if cheating is not common among professionals
Cite/source/OR?
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Where did you get the vods?
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I have to give a lot of credit to Haypro, he has improved just as much as jinro if not more! I really enjoye watching him last night, especially game 2. (I think it was game 2) Where he went for the double expo when ganzi went for the 14 CC. That game was played brilliantly although he lost. I wish him the best of luck in any tournaments he has coming up!!!
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I think the amount of Hatcheries he failed to protect really cost him, even with ample time to cancel the production of them. I just not long finished watching the VOD's myself, but I really think GanZI played the better games. I'm a bit bias though since I love my Terran ;D
Had haypro been able to defend and hold his early expansions (Game 2 this is) It may have turned out differently. Nevertheless, I feel he played some solid games and definitely provided some entertainment!
Best of luck for future to Haypro, 
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In game 2 he also had a huge cloud of mutalisks and never once wandered near the Terran mineral lines, even when the terran was happily sieged up nowhere near Haypro's bases. Sure, the mineral lines were turreted, but 2 or even 3 turrets is no big deal when you have 30+ mutas.
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