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On February 22 2011 10:09 iNcontroL wrote:
appreciate the blog man. I can't help but be brought down a peg or two because of it as well.
hard to sift through the shit and get excited.. but I am.
We are going to make this great and I hope/wish most of the community would seek to HELP make it as big as it can be as opposed to random hating.
@Geoff
I have to admit when I first heard it I was a little disappointed because I thought it would be some kind of SC2 League for everyone with lan centers in all 50 states. To be fair you did hype it THAT much. I think the announcement is compared too often to GSL which only beat you to the punch by a couple months.
After rethinking it and being more realistic the league can only go up from here. So far there have been no established champions and back stories. Once those are in place the league will be phenomenal. Once a champion arises the level of hype will be through the roof. Do you remember when Kim Won Ki won the first GSL? There was epic fan art and awe and overall amazement especially because Zerg was the underdog of the time. The idea of NASL will soon be loved by EVERYBODY. Just wait for it to kick off.
There will be 50. They will see. They will all see.
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OP, you are a gentleman and a scholar. I got into the Brood War scene right before SC2 was announced and I remember when a 500$ prize pool BW online tourney was a HUGE DEAL. Sometimes I worry that e-sports is moving too fast and it might fall flat on its face, but I have a lot of faith that people like Nazgul, iNcontroL, day[9], gretorp, Artosis, etc. can move e-sports in the right direction.
Just as I pay my monthly $10 for GSL Premium service, I will be most definitely purchasing NASL's Premium service as well 
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the only negative thing i have is that its called "nasal"  . that's how i will pronounce it forever.
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On February 22 2011 10:59 Juliette wrote:the only negative thing i have is that its called "nasal" . that's how i will pronounce it forever.
I pronounce the GSL as "jizzle" 
I think anyone from a BW background can really appreciate this new development for ESPORTS. I think the biggest factor is getting the huge financial and professional support, but now that's in place, there are plenty of people who know what is the right direction to bring this league.
Just gotta wait it out now. I'm excited!
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On February 22 2011 11:34 shindigs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 10:59 Juliette wrote:the only negative thing i have is that its called "nasal" . that's how i will pronounce it forever. I pronounce the GSL as "jizzle"
Can't unsee...
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On February 22 2011 10:47 DyEnasTy wrote:
I agree with Kerotan's spoiler in the comment above mine. People have short memories, and are spoiled. And I dont want to make too broad of a generalization, but the newer SC2 only fans are the ones I think feel that this was overhype. I doubt any who think back on what we had before outside of korea will feel negatively about this.
Just calm down. Aggresive and vocal views bout stuff just tends to polarize people and removes objectivity.
We're all pumped but we all also have the right to suggest how we feel. This is a milestone in E-sports history and for that very reason people are hoping it desn't get off to a wrong footing. People like you tend to alienate the community even further.
@Inc, I think you may now start to see things a little from Day9/HD/Huskys perpspective. Success will always have fallout. Haters gonna hate. The community response for this thing was HUGE and u shd be grateful. So, man up and start handling the hate in a better way cos its not gonna stop anytime soon.
Also please try and delve into the real issues that people are objecting to; 'cos there are a few and we all care too much about this to let it fail on our watch.
Gogogo.
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TL has had some of its darker days this week. Before tonight, it started with all that kelly milkies drama. So much garbage posted about how bad, not bad, or okay they thought she was. Making one small post wasn't enough for most people, they just had to keep posting. I feel the mods/admins should just start closing discussions that are going no where, whether its mannered or not. maybe i just spend too much time browsing this site, but god damn its giving me headaches to hear the same complaints brought up and the same defenses. When the thread is going no where, i just want it over
but anyway, still super excited about the NASL.
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Complaint Blog about people complaining about NASL.
That said I've never even played SC2 and I'm stoked for this. I mean damn, when I played bw what prizes were there for winners of wgt/pgt/iccup? No seriously though... were there prizes? I can't remember. I mean god, it use to be the only cool thing America had going for itself with SC was WCG...
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Great thread and I 100% agree.
A lot of the newer posters I don't think have enough perspective on the hugeness of this - this is a really fucking big deal, and they are striving for something happening that hasn't really come this close before - esports in the west.
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I wasn't able to watch the announcement live (Busy watching the vod now). But reading the news on NASL I'm super stoked. Fuck the haters this is awesome.
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iNcontroL: I love puppies.
Internet troll response: What you got against kittens, asshole???? You hear that folks? GEOFF HATES KITTENS!
It was a great announcement, I can't wait for all that delicious content.
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On February 22 2011 12:09 SushilS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 10:47 DyEnasTy wrote:
I agree with Kerotan's spoiler in the comment above mine. People have short memories, and are spoiled. And I dont want to make too broad of a generalization, but the newer SC2 only fans are the ones I think feel that this was overhype. I doubt any who think back on what we had before outside of korea will feel negatively about this. Just calm down. Aggresive and vocal views bout stuff just tends to polarize people and removes objectivity. We're all pumped but we all also have the right to suggest how we feel. This is a milestone in E-sports history and for that very reason people are hoping it desn't get off to a wrong footing. People like you tend to alienate the community even further. @Inc, I think you may now start to see things a little from Day9/HD/Huskys perpspective. Success will always have fallout. Haters gonna hate. The community response for this thing was HUGE and u shd be grateful. So, man up and start handling the hate in a better way cos its not gonna stop anytime soon. Also please try and delve into the real issues that people are objecting to; 'cos there are a few and we all care too much about this to let it fail on our watch. Gogogo.
I dislike your tone to be honest ("People like you tend to alienate the community even further." Alienate the community from who?) , I'm not trying to be a dick, aggressive, polarising or otherwise, all I'm trying to point out is, to quote a prime minster: you have never had it so good.
In addition, there is valid criticism, as there always is of any project, but I failed to see any of it thread, perhaps I missed it, inbetween people calling gretorp a terrible caster, saying that the prize pool is 28k less than GSL, while forgetting that it should be a massive deal when prizes are being measured in k on a regular basis.
Again, we aren't trying to be elitist, I specifically said that new people to scene may not be spoiled, but that generally the trend is that people have been around for 2+ years realise how far shit has come.
And if people feel alienated by the call for them to be slightly more appreciative of how much shit has been done, without their help and produced for their consumption, I say let them be alienated, because these people are fucking stupid.
To paraphrase the ten commandments:
THOU SHALL CONTRIBUTE TO THE COMMUNITY (SITE)
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A post script: I don't want to sound like you have to do a particular thing before you can criticise that particular thing, of course you can, but alot of the criticism in the community right now seems to equatable to criticising your toaster for not flying you to the moon.
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On February 22 2011 10:09 iNcontroL wrote:
appreciate the blog man. I can't help but be brought down a peg or two because of it as well.
hard to sift through the shit and get excited.. but I am.
We are going to make this great and I hope/wish most of the community would seek to HELP make it as big as it can be as opposed to random hating.
I'm very excited for this, really. Like a lot of people I might have a couple questions about the format, but I can see how big this really is, and to tell the truth I'M PUMPED!!! :p
What I wonder, is how do you think the community can help make this big? What can we do?
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I agree wholeheartedly. TL, and especially live report threads, have become incredibly whiny as of late. People bitch and moan about every little thing. Sure, there are always going to be problems, you can't please everyone, and nothing is going to be perfect, but good god people. Things have been AMAZING lately. The clash of the titans showed us some amazing games on relatively brand new maps, and despite some issues with the audio being out of sync, the production was amazing. Yet the LR thread was full of nothing but people bitching about the fact that it was casted from replays. Then they were complaining that the show itself was pre-recorded. Then there was a ton of balance whine.
And then InControl made probably the most exciting announcement I've heard for western esports. And again people complain about the tiniest things that hardly matter.
This is an amazing time. Esports is booming. Starcraft 2 is getting better and better as people improve as players and the community provides better maps. There are games every single day. There is a ton of free content, as well as a ton of content for a modest fee if you so desire. So please, stop complaining about every small detail and enjoy the amazing ride.
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I agree. All the complaining that has been going on these past days regarding Kelly Milkies and now NASL has given me a headache. Too much bitching for one man to handle!
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