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agarangu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile274 Posts
February 02 2011 16:48 GMT
#1
I started to play SC BW 1 month ago, against a friend and against the computer. Still, 1 week ago I decided to play on ICCup, and after a very frustrating first day I'm starting to love losing.

I still haven't won a single game and I lost most of them before I could build a factory. I,ve also been told the truth a lot recently (you f***ing noob) xD

Because this is how you improve, right? I mean, I've read all of the terran strategies and openings and BOs on liquipedia, and I've watch every game of this season's PL OSL and MSL played by terrans, plus many other games (btw, thanks a lot nevake and moktira) but getting your BO done while under pressure from your opponent is the only real way to learn it, isn't it?

I'm still better than my friends (Stacraft is not popular in Chile), but I'd rather lose on ICCup than win against them.

What's a quote anyway?
Sayle
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom3685 Posts
February 02 2011 17:04 GMT
#2
I cannot tell you how refreshing this blog is. After all the QQ threads/blogs about smurfs and the overall difficulty of ICCup, it's good to see someone still understands how the learning and improvement process works. I also want to highlight this part:

On February 03 2011 01:48 agarangu wrote:
Because this is how you improve, right? I mean, I've read all of the terran strategies and openings and BOs on liquipedia, and I've watch every game of this season's PL OSL and MSL played by terrans, plus many other games (btw, thanks a lot nevake and moktira) but getting your BO done while under pressure from your opponent is the only real way to learn it, isn't it?


This is why real players look down on theorycrafters. Theorycrafters think that just by watching a ton of pro games and VODs, they magically gain as much insight and understanding of the game as a truly good player. As you have discovered, this is not at all the case. The physical execution of a strategy is just as much a part of it as any fancy timings and whatnot.

Good luck with your practice!
Yodo
Profile Joined March 2010
Russian Federation327 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 17:30:26
February 02 2011 17:17 GMT
#3
BOs in liquipedia lack specific.

I recommend:
1) StylishVODs thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86770
2) Get pro replays: check simcity, triks and proper army position. Obv, you should aim for particular maps in this replays.
3) Get a practice partner. This is the only way to polish your build, and learn how to defend against some BOs, proxys, pushes etc. Just play the same scenario over and over again. You should clearly understand what should you do in any given situation and how to react/anticipate properly.
gongryong
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1430 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 17:50:51
February 02 2011 17:50 GMT
#4
agarangu wenas amigo.
your courage and audacity to learn is indeed refreshing, and enlightening!

may you someday reach A+ on iccup! xD
JAEDONG ÜBERBONJWA!
mChiron
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3 Posts
February 02 2011 19:43 GMT
#5
how can i gain into the Clan from teamlipuid?
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 02 2011 19:54 GMT
#6
): i h8 u

I used to love losing, when discovery of the game was fascinating and new.
Now, the idea of knowing why you lose and how you lost is so discouraging even though you now know what you have to do, achieving it never quite reaches your reality.

Keep up the good humor :3
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Sea.3PO
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada77 Posts
February 02 2011 20:03 GMT
#7
On February 03 2011 04:43 mChiron wrote:
how can i gain into the Clan from teamlipuid?

You will have to PM all of the Mods of teamliquid. They all have different preferences so you will have to tailor each application to the personality of each mod. For example vGl-Cow is very serious, so just be straight to the point with him and try not to make any jokes or anything. Same goes for CharlieMurphy. Manifesto7 on the other hand likes to joke around alot so you can be a little bit of a comedian when you write to him. This is how all of the other teamliquid clan members got in, save for Liquid`HuK who was let in because they felt bad for him.
If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 20:36:48
February 02 2011 20:36 GMT
#8
Yea thats how I feel. I could care less whether I win or lose as long as I felt like I did well on my end. I'm a D player and would have no qualms playing B ranks all day. Never understood the people that complain about smurfs or whatever. Guess winning really is that important to some.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
agarangu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile274 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-03 01:34:52
February 02 2011 21:15 GMT
#9
Thanks everyone! And thanks a lot for the suggestions. I'm definitely going to practice that Stylish's 5-fact push vP until I succeed. And I've been practicing wall-ins against the computer, so I can restart immediately after I finish. Oh and about this
may you someday reach A+ on iccup! xD
XDDDDDDDDD that's would be awesome (y)
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