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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 07:05:07
January 09 2011 07:04 GMT
#1
Well, not that big. Just interesting. Not as interesting as this, thogh.

Today I was playing a very long phantom game (over 2 hours). Everyone was bored, so I figured to try something weird.

This is what I discovered:

If you have a hydralisk and a stalker attacking each other (they have to be initially out of range from each other and be allowed to approach each other), on creep, both fully upgraded (but blink is not used), then the hydra and the stalker will die AT THE SAME TIME!

That's right. They will both shoot their last missile and kill each other.

*
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Lexpar
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
1813 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 07:07:29
January 09 2011 07:06 GMT
#2
You must be joking. Are hydras actually as strong as stalkers? They always feel so feeble in my ZvP battles.

You should try this with a marauder and see if we've all been tricked into thinking there are three unique races.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 09 2011 07:07 GMT
#3
On January 09 2011 16:06 Lexpar wrote:
You must be joking. Are hydras actually as strong as stalkers? They always feel so feeble in my ZvP battles.


You can try it yourself. I repeated this twice and it's a tie each time.

https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
January 09 2011 07:18 GMT
#4
Wait, they don't have to be fully upgraded, right? Because each attack upgrade is just +1, and each armor upgrade (duh) is just +1, so they offset, right? (range still important though )
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HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
January 09 2011 07:18 GMT
#5
I always thought that 1 on 1 a hydra would beat a stalker.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 09 2011 07:19 GMT
#6
On January 09 2011 16:18 Comeh wrote:
Wait, they don't have to be fully upgraded, right? Because each attack upgrade is just +1, and each armor upgrade (duh) is just +1, so they offset, right? (range still important though )


You might be right. But I only tried when they are fully upgraded (yes including range for hydra).
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5529 Posts
January 09 2011 07:30 GMT
#7
I forgot hydras even had range in this game. Oh my...
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prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
January 09 2011 07:32 GMT
#8
On January 09 2011 16:06 Lexpar wrote:
Are hydras actually as strong as stalkers?

For something that requires lair tech and 50 gas they BETTER be as strong as stalkers...
( ・´ー・`)
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
January 09 2011 07:45 GMT
#9
hydras are 25 minerals cheaper and zerg is usually a little ahead on supply anyway so hydras rape all gateway tech. With those extra minerals you can go hydra speedling to surround and destroy. Its amazingly effective. Creep is the issue.
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TheGrimace
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States929 Posts
January 09 2011 10:04 GMT
#10
As you mentioned, blink is good here. You can blink back and get the upper hand. You just have to time it correctly. But yes, 1v1 they are equal.
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
January 09 2011 10:35 GMT
#11
wait does marauder win 1v1 vs hydra / stalker? I'm curious now
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HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 11:10:11
January 09 2011 10:53 GMT
#12
On January 09 2011 19:35 evanthebouncy! wrote:
wait does marauder win 1v1 vs hydra / stalker? I'm curious now


E. Okay I had a look at the chart and it totally feels like marauder - stalker could be a stalemate.
Health/ DPS-1 (armor) = take ~13,5 seconds to finish each other.

No way marauder beats Hydra without stim, with stim it seems quite close however.
Oh yeah, Hydra gets 7 range? Hydra wins.

E. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=138141


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Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
January 09 2011 13:26 GMT
#13
Hydra vs Marauder is something like

Hydra survives with 12 hp left or so

which is kinda sad when hydra costs 2x as much gas, and doesn't have 20 DPS to armored units
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
January 09 2011 14:24 GMT
#14
On January 09 2011 22:26 Fa1nT wrote:
Hydra vs Marauder is something like

Hydra survives with 12 hp left or so

which is kinda sad when hydra costs 2x as much gas, and doesn't have 20 DPS to armored units


dont compare hydra banng/buck with other units. the hydra will always lose. it has the pretty much worst stats/cost of any unit in the game.
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Lexpar
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
1813 Posts
January 09 2011 15:54 GMT
#15
So what we're saying is the three races are actually identical. Cool.
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
January 09 2011 18:38 GMT
#16
Stalkers are bad 1v1, what else is new.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 10 2011 03:23 GMT
#17
On January 10 2011 00:54 Lexpar wrote:
So what we're saying is the three races are actually identical. Cool.


Of course, this is one unit vs one unit. What makes sc2 (or any other game) interesting is when we mix things up.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
SpoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1542 Posts
January 10 2011 03:30 GMT
#18
this is so far from a major discovery that we have never been to the moon and the earth is flat.
A man is what he thinks about all day long.
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