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KurtistheTurtle
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1966 Posts
December 27 2010 20:41 GMT
#1
I ran across this youtube video going over the 48 laws of robert greene. I thought they were interesting so I typed them out and I'll get the book when I have access to a library again.

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1. Never outshine the master
2. Never put too much trust in friends, learn how to use enemies
3. Conceal your intentions
4. Always say less than is necessary
5. So much depends on reputation – guard it with your life
6.
7. Get others to do the work for you, but always take the credit
8. Make other people come to you, use bait if necessary
9. Win through your actions, never through argument
10. Infection: avoid the unhappy and unlucky
11. Learn to keep people dependent on you
12. Use selective honesty and generosity to disarm your victim
13. When asking for help, appeal to peoples self-interest, never to their mercy or gratitude
14. Pose as a friend, work as a spy
15. Crush your enemy totally
16. Use absence to increase respect and honour
17. Keep others in suspense: cultivate an air of unpredictability
18. Do not build fortresses to protect yourself – isolation is dangerous
19. Know who you are dealing with – do not offend the wrong person
20. Do not commit to anyone
21. Play a sucker – seem dumber than you look
22. Use the surrender tactic: transform weakness into power
23. Concentrate your forces
24. Play the perfect courtier
25. Re-create yourself
26. Keep your hands clean
27. Play on peoples need to believe to create a cult-like following
28. Enter action with boldness
29. Plan all the way to the end
30. Make your accomplishments seem effortless
31. Control the options: Get others to play with the cards you deal
32. Play to peoples’ fantasies
33. Discover each man’s thumbscrew
34. Be royal in your own fashion: act like a king to be treated like one
35. Master the art of timing
36. Disdain things you cannot have: ignoring them is the best revenge
37. Create compelling spectacles
38. Think as you like but behave like others
39. Stir up waters to catch fish
40. Despise the free lunch
41. Avoid stepping into a great man’s shoes
42. Strike the shepherd and the sheep will scatter
43.
44. Work on the hearts and minds of others
45. Preach the need for change, but never reform too much at once
46. Never appear too perfect
47. Do not go past the mark you aimed for; in victory, learn when to stop
48. Assume formlessness


Some of them are downright heartless

+ Show Spoiler +
1. Never outshine the master
2. Never put too much trust in friends, learn how to use enemies
3. Conceal your intentions
4. Always say less than is necessary
5. So much depends on reputation – guard it with your life
6.
7. Get others to do the work for you, but always take the credit
8. Make other people come to you, use bait if necessary
9. Win through your actions, never through argument
10. Infection: avoid the unhappy and unlucky
11. Learn to keep people dependent on you
12. Use selective honesty and generosity to disarm your victim
13. When asking for help, appeal to peoples self-interest, never to their mercy or gratitude
14. Pose as a friend, work as a spy
15. Crush your enemy totally
16. Use absence to increase respect and honour
17. Keep others in suspense: cultivate an air of unpredictability
18. Do not build fortresses to protect yourself – isolation is dangerous
19. Know who you are dealing with – do not offend the wrong person
20. Do not commit to anyone
21. Play a sucker – seem dumber than you look
22. Use the surrender tactic: transform weakness into power
23. Concentrate your forces
24. Play the perfect courtier
25. Re-create yourself
26. Keep your hands clean
27. Play on peoples need to believe to create a cult-like following
28. Enter action with boldness
29. Plan all the way to the end
30. Make your accomplishments seem effortless
31. Control the options: Get others to play with the cards you deal
32. Play to peoples’ fantasies
33. Discover each man’s thumbscrew(kinda. it could also be to avoid it)
34. Be royal in your own fashion: act like a king to be treated like one
35. Master the art of timing
36. Disdain things you cannot have: ignoring them is the best revenge
37. Create compelling spectacles
38. Think as you like but behave like others
39. Stir up waters to catch fish
40. Despise the free lunch
41. Avoid stepping into a great man’s shoes
42. Strike the shepherd and the sheep will scatter
43.
44. Work on the hearts and minds of others
45. Preach the need for change, but never reform too much at once
46. Never appear too perfect
47. Do not go past the mark you aimed for; in victory, learn when to stop
48. Assume formlessness

These don't discount the others, though. Each one of these statements is a lesson and idea kind of like sc..easy to grasp, hard to apply.

2. Never put too much trust in friends, learn how to use enemies
How do you do this? What are some examples? I need some enemies lol

16. Use absence to increase respect and honour
I don't understand this at all.

24. Play the perfect courtier
Again, what? If you see a law and have an example of when you encountered or used it, describe it

31. Control the options: Get others to play with the cards you deal
For me, in high school, this meant if you had a car you decided where everybody went. Now it means if you can throw a party, you decide when and what. Small examples of a big idea

“Reject your sense of injury and the injury itself disappears."
DM20
Profile Joined September 2008
Canada544 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-27 20:52:38
December 27 2010 20:51 GMT
#2
i only see 46
PanoRaMa
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States5069 Posts
December 27 2010 20:53 GMT
#3
If you buy the book it actually answers every question you have.
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
December 27 2010 20:59 GMT
#4
On December 28 2010 05:41 KurtistheTurtle wrote:
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16. Use absence to increase respect and honour
I don't understand this at all.


When you are too close to people, some respect is always lost.
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Corbie
Profile Joined June 2010
United States65 Posts
December 27 2010 21:03 GMT
#5
On December 28 2010 05:41 KurtistheTurtle wrote:
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16. Use absence to increase respect and honour
I don't understand this at all.

Show nested quote +
24. Play the perfect courtier
Again, what? If you see a law and have an example of when you encountered or used it, describe it

Number 16 means that you shouldn't make yourself too accessible. "Absence makes the heart grow fonder" comes to mind. If you're with someone every second of every day they tend to grow tired of you. If you make yourself scarce for a period of time then it's a refreshing experience for them when they see you again and they learn to value your time.

Number 24 means to use charm, wit and flattery to your advantage when talking to people. When I was a child I used to sweet talk my mom into getting what I wanted. It's a rather simplistic example but I think you get the general idea.

Very interesting list.
Glaven
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada554 Posts
December 27 2010 21:03 GMT
#6
I don't ever want to know anyone who lives by some of these rules >.>
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Therick
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway324 Posts
December 27 2010 21:08 GMT
#7
here are all 48

+ Show Spoiler +

* Law 1 Never outshine the master
* Law 2 Never put too much trust in friends, learn how to use enemies
* Law 3 Conceal your intentions
* Law 4 Always say less than necessary
* Law 5 So much depends on reputation. Guard it with your life
* Law 6 Court attention at all cost
* Law 7 Get others to do the work for you, but always take the credit
* Law 8 Make other people come to you, use bait if necessary
* Law 9 Win through your actions, never through argument
* Law 10 Infection: avoid the unhappy and unlucky
* Law 11 Learn to keep people dependent on you
* Law 12 Use selective honesty and generosity to disarm your victim
* Law 13 When asking for help, appeal to people's self-interest, never to their mercy or gratitude
* Law 14 Pose as a friend, work as a spy
* Law 15 Crush your enemy totally
* Law 16 Use absence to increase respect and honor
* Law 17 Keep others in suspended terror: cultivate an air of unpredictability
* Law 18 Do not build fortresses to protect yourself. Isolation is dangerous
* Law 19 Know who you're dealing with, do not offend the wrong person
* Law 20 Do not commit to anyone
* Law 21 Play a sucker to catch a sucker: play dumber than your mark
* Law 22 Use the surrender tactic: transform weakness into power
* Law 23 Concentrate your forces
* Law 24 Play the perfect courtier
* Law 25 Re-create yourself
* Law 26 Keep your hands clean
* Law 27 Play on people's need to believe to create a cultlike following
* Law 28 Enter action with boldness
* Law 29 Plan all the way to the end
* Law 30 Make your accomplishments seem effortless
* Law 31 Control the options: get others to play with the cards you deal
* Law 32 Play to people's fantasies
* Law 33 Discover each man's thumbscrew
* Law 34 Be royal in your fashion: act like a king to be treated like one
* Law 35 Master the art of timing
* Law 36 Disdain things you cannot have: Ignoring them is the best revenge
* Law 37 Create compelling spectacles
* Law 38 Think as you like but behave like others
* Law 39 Stir up waters to catch fish
* Law 40 Despise the free lunch
* Law 41 Avoid stepping into a great man's shoes
* Law 42 Strike the shepherd and the sheep will scatter
* Law 43 Work on the hearts and minds of others
* Law 44 Disarm and infuriate with the mirror effect
* Law 45 Preach the need for change, but never reform too much at Once
* Law 46 Never appear perfect
* Law 47 Do not go past the mark you aimed for; in victory, learn when to stop
* Law 48 Assume formlessness
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sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
December 27 2010 21:21 GMT
#8
I would rename this list to '48 ways to be a fucking douche who no-one really likes and actually ends up alone and hated'
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
December 27 2010 21:31 GMT
#9
This is actually a really interesting list. I think some of it is great advice that everyone should follow for their own interest, while some of it is weird or negative. In any case I like the overall feeling of the list. It sounds pretty ominous.
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
MetalMarine
Profile Joined June 2007
United States1559 Posts
December 27 2010 21:57 GMT
#10
On December 28 2010 06:21 sc4k wrote:
I would rename this list to '48 ways to be a fucking douche who no-one really likes and actually ends up alone and hated'


Actually, A LOT of those on the list are actually things you should do to NOT to be a douche...
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7888 Posts
December 27 2010 22:00 GMT
#11
On December 28 2010 06:21 sc4k wrote:
I would rename this list to '48 ways to be a fucking douche who no-one really likes and actually ends up alone and hated'

lol. That's exactly what I was thinking.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Krigwin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1130 Posts
December 27 2010 22:04 GMT
#12
Some of these sound like ways to become a cult leader. Others sound like pseudo-philosophical semi-aesops (aka full of shit), but I imagine the book probably has detailed explanations of each and they only get the wax poetic titles to sound cool.

Either way these books always sound like they were written by douches and I have to wonder how many of these guys are actual psychopaths to the point where they have to construct such massive and soulless frameworks of behavior in order to interact with other people.
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
December 27 2010 22:21 GMT
#13
These are laws of power, not laws of being the most liked person in the world.

Why do you think Bobby Kotick has so much power?
I think esports is pretty nice.
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
December 27 2010 22:32 GMT
#14
rule 16

I explain it to you. Basically everyone is attracted to the rarer, more valuable things. For example girls are more attracted to you if you always seem to have something better to do.
If you give advice only rarely, it will seem more valuable.
And all is illuminated.
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
December 27 2010 22:38 GMT
#15
On December 28 2010 07:04 Krigwin wrote:
Some of these sound like ways to become a cult leader. Others sound like pseudo-philosophical semi-aesops (aka full of shit), but I imagine the book probably has detailed explanations of each and they only get the wax poetic titles to sound cool.

Either way these books always sound like they were written by douches and I have to wonder how many of these guys are actual psychopaths to the point where they have to construct such massive and soulless frameworks of behavior in order to interact with other people.


I really like the book because all the rules have really detailed historical examples.
Though I don't use it as a life codex, but as an amusing book to read at times.
And all is illuminated.
kelstar
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada35 Posts
December 27 2010 23:02 GMT
#16
Wow I agree Fuck the power of respect, integrity, honesty.
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19346 Posts
December 27 2010 23:40 GMT
#17
On December 28 2010 07:38 freelander wrote:
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On December 28 2010 07:04 Krigwin wrote:
Some of these sound like ways to become a cult leader. Others sound like pseudo-philosophical semi-aesops (aka full of shit), but I imagine the book probably has detailed explanations of each and they only get the wax poetic titles to sound cool.

Either way these books always sound like they were written by douches and I have to wonder how many of these guys are actual psychopaths to the point where they have to construct such massive and soulless frameworks of behavior in order to interact with other people.


I really like the book because all the rules have really detailed historical examples.
Though I don't use it as a life codex, but as an amusing book to read at times.

This. The examples were very informative and entertaining as well.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-28 00:05:13
December 28 2010 00:02 GMT
#18
As a scam-baiter (respond to scam emails, attempt to draw out the conversation as long as possible), I find these rules pretty applicable. The baiter doesn't have any money to send to the scammer, and yet often you see people convincing the scammers to do rather stupid things. So where does the power come from? Greene seems to have a good handle on this.
16. Use absence to increase respect and honour

There's a general rule in the baiting community to never respond more than once a day (email-wise) to a scammer. Why? Because it makes them pursue you, instead of the other way around. Every time someone emails you to ask you whether you're alright, whether you've contacted the bank, etc., in effect increases the 'complaince' and time/emotional investment the scammer has with you.

More or less, it is a restatement of the adage "absence makes the heart grow fonder".

24. Play the perfect courtier

My personal take on this rule is to make the other person appear that they are in charge, yet still be in a position to control their actions.

Applied to scam-baiting, you always want to appear compliant yet ultimately be the primary driver of the narrative. For example "I tried to do a money transfer but they say you have to provide an acceptable means of identification before it goes through!", etc.
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I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
December 28 2010 00:14 GMT
#19
I don't read his blog often anymore, but it's still worth checking out if you have time:
http://www.powerseductionandwar.com/

Always good stuff.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Thraxis
Profile Joined November 2010
United States36 Posts
December 28 2010 00:40 GMT
#20
The book itself is great. After being a bit skeptical, and thinking there's no way that everyone could follow these "laws" and not be an ass, it straight tells you it's not for everyone. A lot of people in this world get used, or looked down upon. S*** rolls down hill and so on. You don't have to "use" this book/advice to suddenly rise to the top, but to notice what is going on around you, and how you can escape being played like a fool by those who do want to control everything around them. If nothing else, the book is a great insight into how key people in history (Napoleon, Cleopatra, Musashi, noted queens and kings, emperors, ect) got to be where they are by using strategic decisions. It's a bit of a hefty read since it's half self help and half history lesson and it can be pretty dry, but after reading it I felt like it had put words and meaning to a lot of things going on around me.

After lending it to friends, each came back to me and had told me they had bought it for themselves. Some used it to try and get ahead, others used it defensively and others just wanted a good story and insight into history. Go to a library or find someone who has it and read it a bit before you knock it. You'd be surprised at how well written and useful it is, without having to use it to turn everyone around you into your little pawn.
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