EPTOffensive “GG”s: the Social Faux Pas - Page 2
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
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Soulforged
Latvia917 Posts
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Seltsam
United States343 Posts
On December 17 2010 17:06 Soulforged wrote: Offensive gg's are warranted at times. Usually they require a scout fleet accompanying the letters. I disagree; reread the "please" and "thank you" analogy. It's not about whether or not they really are about to win. My example in that regard is actually somewhat irrelevant and I rather regret putting it in. The idea is that the "GG" is the always the loser's prerogative, regardless of his state in regards to the game. I see where you're coming from, but you're interpreting it in a way that I would say is somewhat superficial. "GG" of course literally means "Good Game," but that's not actually its use; "GG" (in terms of the social paradigm in question) is actually a concession of defeat unless it's used as a response to said concession. Thus an offensive "GG" is almost like conceding defeat for your opponent, which is why it's a bad-mannered act. Obviously in the situation that you mentioned, the lack of a "GG" from the losing player is also bad-mannered; however, it remains the losers "GG" to give. | ||
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FalconPunchsc2
Canada91 Posts
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eLiE
Canada1039 Posts
I don't offensive gg, but if it happens to me, the new game is delay as long as possible. Take every vespene, nydus to the islands, whatever it takes to win, haha. Then i go get food while the other guy techs to some stupid overkill unit to try and rub it in. | ||
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THE_oldy
Australia97 Posts
I kinda typed it out of relief more than anything, as i could finally breath for the first time in 80 minutes, but i actually regretted it straight away as i didn't want to offend after such a good game. I don't think he would have taken offence though, but i don't think he would. Are offensive gg's ok after really good games? What if you want to get the sentiment in before they leave in case they cbf gg-ing first? | ||
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Kickboxer
Slovenia1308 Posts
It's the internet version of having a stiff upper lip -_- Besides, he just gives you the best reason ever to rally up your stuff and beat him for maximum satisfaction ^_^ | ||
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Redunzl
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Seltsam
United States343 Posts
On December 17 2010 18:32 THE_oldy wrote: Are offensive gg's ok after really good games? What if you want to get the sentiment in before they leave in case they cbf gg-ing first? That's kind of an interesting question. I think what you're getting at is that your "vgg" was intended as good manners, and thus doesn't conform to the pseudo-rule I've defined. In fact, I think your "vgg" would NOT be considered bad mannered, but not because it was a long game, but rather because you clearly stepped outside of the social paradigm by using "vgg" versus "gg." To relate back to the "thank you" and "you're welcome" example, imagine the server brings you food and you don't say "thank you." The server then says something like "enjoy," or "happy to serve you," or some other statement that is essentially a statement whose actual intent is very similar to "you're welcome." However, since "you're welcome" is a statement used exclusively proceeding "thank you," by using a variation of the statement, the server's polite intent is made clear. I know it's kind of a semantic argument, but in social situations, precise wording is incredibly important in conveying a particular message. I think by saying "vgg" instead of "gg" you did the same thing that our hypothetical server does by saying "enjoy" instead of "you're welcome." By setting a precedent outside of the most commonplace social paradigm, you imply your good intent. I still think you probably should have waited until he said "gg," then you could have responded with "vgg," and that would have been even more clear. While it's possible that he interpreted as bad manners, it's certainly a lot more likely for him to interpret it the way you intended it than if you had simply used "gg." In response to your second question, I'd say it's time to revert to the advice a lot of people are posting; just let the BM folks be BM and let that be that. I feel like leaving a game without a "gg" is a lot less BM than the offensive "gg" anyway. It's more like the absence of good manners than the presence of bad manners. But I don't have any actual sort of analysis for that one; it's just straight up subjective opinion. | ||
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Jetaap
France4814 Posts
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Sarang
Australia2363 Posts
Just type "good game." If someone said 'good game' to me before they won, I wouldn't consider it BM at all. Same with the aforementioned 'vgg'. Also, I agree completely with your points, Seltsam. That's the way I always looked at it myself. | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I know I suck anyway. | ||
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Seltsam
United States343 Posts
On December 17 2010 20:10 HwangjaeTerran wrote: They obviously aren't good players if they think the game is over before it is, therefore it is infact not even a good game as they clearly suck. Offensive GG's go in the category of games when I don't gg as it would be lying. By not saying GG they might understand that they infact are not good and should learn more about the game, I'm doing these bad mannered idiots a favor! + Show Spoiler + I know I suck anyway. I was gonna respond that the point is that "gg," in effect, doesn't actually mean "good game," but I can't tell if you're being facetious or not :/ | ||
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matjlav
Germany2435 Posts
I've offensive GG'd a couple times, but it was because I felt the opponent was being rude about not leaving. (e.g. making me chase them around as they keep putting down new hatcheries while I have 3 working bases) | ||
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-Frog-
United States514 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32044 Posts
On December 17 2010 15:22 Seltsam wrote: However, now imagine you didn’t say “thank you,” and the server says “you’re welcome” before you get a chance to (or perhaps you didn’t intend to say “thanks” at all). That pre-emptive “you’re welcome” will always come off as sarcastic or otherwise poorly mannered. The offensive “GG” functions, in terms of social etiquette, the same as a “you’re welcome” before a “thank you” functions in typical American social situations. It's worse manner to be a little dipshit and not acknowledge the person that is working to serve your ungrateful ass. Likewise, it is poor manner to sit in the game and make me smash every last bit of your puny base because you think you still have a chance when you're sitting at half my supply and behind by three bases. In both instances, you learnin people the hard way! There's no shame in showing rude, dumb people the error of there ways! | ||
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GreatFall
United States1061 Posts
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blamous
United States377 Posts
The only time I will do it is when I am about to kill their last structure and they still haven;t conceded, in which case they are already BM'ing me, so eff em. | ||
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Craton
United States17239 Posts
On December 17 2010 15:39 Zim23 wrote: Offensive GG is usually my cue to build pylons everywhere. And to hide nexuses to counteract being revealed, of course. On December 18 2010 04:14 blamous wrote: I too am against the offensive GG. The only time I will do it is when I am about to kill their last structure and they still haven;t conceded, in which case they are already BM'ing me, so eff em. They're probably afk or alt-tabbed, anyway. | ||
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