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So this was an interesting replay.
I was trying to ladder, and the game starts out fairly normal- except for the fact that this guy didn't have antihack.
He was going 4 rax, and I knew that- but when he moved out of his base, i saw the omfgbbq amount of rines, and thought something was fishy.
This game is absolutly crazy. I didn't play all that particularly well, but this guy was crazy. The entire time in the game i was just thinking: WTF HOW CAN HE HAVE THIS MANY MARINES!!!!
He was on 2 base on the entire time. After i had lost, I check bwchart. And sure enough- this guy had only made 65 scvs the entire game, and had a apm spikes of 1200 plus!
The funny thing is? no hotkeys 
Watch if you want to see my desperate struggle to overcome the terran war machine. and 13489712034791324 marines.
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On December 06 2010 08:06 Ramiel wrote:didn't have antihack. apm spikes of 1200 plus! no hotkeys
that is very fishy.. O_o
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This is very fishy ...he is really bad actually .
He has slow reaction time, bad macro , bad micro , bad BO , is constantly above 1k and some times above 2k .
He doesn't use hotkeys yet he can control his entire army very swiftly and he has gross amounts of APM.
I think he is using some kind of multi-select hack or something .. but I don't know could be something else.
something is definately up though :D
EDIT: He is definately using multi select as he is controlling his entire army consisting of like 150 supply without any seeming delay that it would take when toggling between the groups
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Canada8036 Posts
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Most obvious multicommand. He can have that many because his hack is macroing for him.
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thank god, i was worrying that i was either sucking really really bad, or I was playing a pro gamer.
Sweet, then me record should be improving yay! It was a crazy game tho lol
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It does look like hacking at some parts, especially since none of the barracks were rallied, and yet the marines rallied somehow.
Regardless, it didn't even seem to help him very much; he only pumped out of 5 rax and didn't tech until 13:00ish, when he put his first factory down. If that ever happens, just push into his natural and kill him with Dark Swarm and Lurkers. Plaguing his army rather than just pushing in may have cost you a game easily won against a hacker -- but I'd recommend not playing ZvT with no Antihack just because there will be no Lan Latency, and your Mutalisk control will be off.
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On December 06 2010 08:41 Ramiel wrote:
thank god, i was worrying that i was either sucking really really bad, or I was playing a pro gamer.
Sweet, then me record should be improving yay! It was a crazy game tho lol
not its flash --
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On December 06 2010 09:11 ninazerg wrote:
It does look like hacking at some parts, especially since none of the barracks were rallied, and yet the marines rallied somehow.
Regardless, it didn't even seem to help him very much; he only pumped out of 5 rax and didn't tech until 13:00ish, when he put his first factory down. If that ever happens, just push into his natural and kill him with Dark Swarm and Lurkers. Plaguing his army rather than just pushing in may have cost you a game easily won against a hacker -- but I'd recommend not playing ZvT with no Antihack just because there will be no Lan Latency, and your Mutalisk control will be off.
Against a 4 rax, that is nt really possible lol but hey thanks for the tips
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That is the telltale sign of the multicommand/select hack. APM spikes ridiculously, especially when they are moving their army; and the hotkeys wont show up. Anytime you see that combination there is like 99.99% chance the guy was multicommand hacking. A fair number don't realize it overides hotkeys or w/e and causes them not to show, so its always funny to drop a line like "Nice dude, 200 APM with no hotkeys!" They usually take the bait and proceed to tell you they use hotkeys, at which point you have it confirmed they hack.
On a related note I ran into an unbeatable one base zerg allin the other day. Even sadder is that I played him again as Terran and won. 3-3 mech imba.
MTA: Posted the wrong rep link. Fixed now.
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On December 06 2010 09:33 Ramiel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 09:11 ninazerg wrote:
It does look like hacking at some parts, especially since none of the barracks were rallied, and yet the marines rallied somehow.
Regardless, it didn't even seem to help him very much; he only pumped out of 5 rax and didn't tech until 13:00ish, when he put his first factory down. If that ever happens, just push into his natural and kill him with Dark Swarm and Lurkers. Plaguing his army rather than just pushing in may have cost you a game easily won against a hacker -- but I'd recommend not playing ZvT with no Antihack just because there will be no Lan Latency, and your Mutalisk control will be off. Against a 4 rax, that is nt really possible lol but hey thanks for the tips
If he actually did put down his factory at the 13 minute mark, it's really possible to take him out with defilers. Like, really possible.
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Some people try to hide the fact they're hacking...
Others could give a crap!
Still, it's always fun when you play a slew of standard games, scout a new opponent and find a death blob of marines, zealots, or zerglings rallied to your base! At least you faired moderately well...
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On December 06 2010 08:26 Spazer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 08:23 DorF wrote:
This is very fishy ...he is really bad actually .
He has slow reaction time, bad macro , bad micro , bad BO , is constantly above 1k and some times above 2k .
Edit 3: Damn, can't find that game where Flash made like a million marines and they were all streaming down the map in a huge blob of death.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/34773_Flash_vs_type-b/vod
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On December 06 2010 13:25 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 08:26 Spazer wrote:On December 06 2010 08:23 DorF wrote:
This is very fishy ...he is really bad actually .
He has slow reaction time, bad macro , bad micro , bad BO , is constantly above 1k and some times above 2k .
Edit 3: Damn, can't find that game where Flash made like a million marines and they were all streaming down the map in a huge blob of death. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/34773_Flash_vs_type-b/vod
Flash clearly has multicommand hack built into his internal CPU. Watch the end of that especially haha.
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Seeing those ultras just die to mass marines was horrifying to watch as a Zerg player.
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Singapore66366 Posts
On December 06 2010 16:03 koreasilver wrote:
Seeing those ultras just die to mass marines was horrifying to watch as a Zerg player.
it felt so good as a Terran player though.
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;_;
I think the most amazing moment of that game was when Flash instantly pulled back his rines when the mass of lings tried to flood in. That was SUCH a gosu reaction.
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