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What an epic series. I think it will go down as one of the greatest series of starcraft of ALL TIME. First off the obvious backstory: (SPOILERS)
Nestea aka ZergBong:
Pretty much a joke in sc1 progaming. He never was a bonjwa. He never any did anything in any starleague, or even came close. His overall record of 11-21 professionally is pretty embarrasing, and ironically enough, his ZvT is the worst at 22%(4-14). He did ok in the 2v2, as in he could make a 9pool with a p teammate and start fipping coins. But once kespa(i assume) found out how bland and boring sc1 2v2 is they scrapped it, and we saw ZB less and less
... Then sc2 comes out...
With his mediocre GSL1 performance aside, we can say he was on the brink of immortality. Wow, hold up there ZTR, thats a bit much. I'll feed you baby birds.
Being a big sports fan and an recent esport fan, I find alot of conclusions and similarities. The 72 Dolphins(NFL) went a perfect season of 14-0, and 3-0 in the playoffs. Something historic and near impossible to reach. The Patriots of a few years ago came VERY close, but only to be upset by the underdog Giants. The hype for this game was tremendous. And I think that Nestea's potential acheivement of being purely undefeated in the GSL wasn't hyped enough(at least here in the foreign scene). This momumental accomplishment was inches from his grasp, and while he still won in exciting fashion. That elusive "perfect" season is still something the GSL has yet to produce.
Next up! Foxer/Boxer/Neoboxer
While I don't have as much of a history with this player, there is no doubt a story here to. A kid mocked by many in the ro64 of stealing the Emperor's name, no one gave this kid a chance. Each round he was an underdog and was near criticized about his marine heavy usage, until we saw his micro. And while TL.net and other sites have threads ever day with players and their specific builds they claim to revolutionize a matchup, boxer truly showed us how to revolutionize a game. Not with some creative mindful build order, or some trickier, but by pure control. Something this game has really yet to see(yeah tlo's hellions were cool, but he got busted early).
THE FINALS!!!!
The first issue I have with this is all the complaints scene on forums about how "stale" the series might have been, or how they proved how "dumb" tvz is now. Which is ironic considering how last seasons tvz was a complete flip. Heavy macro, very passive from both players, almost like a NR20 min. TL hit the shit. Everyone and their puppy complained that they games were generally lacking in excitement. When the GSL2 finals roll along we get the aggressive styles for both players with minimal emphasis on being passive. Now TL is saying that the matchup is impossible to macro up, boring, etc. But onto the content...
Foxer takes a quick 2-0 lead, handing Nesteas first two loses in SC2 in almost a month. Already shattering the perfect season dream and tossing a wrench in the psyche of a sc1 progamer in clearly the most important series of his life. If he falls down and loses 0-4 he will be known as not nestea, but Zergbong, that joke from sc1 that fluked his way to the finals then got stomped on. After some back and forth(trying to shorten this blog) nestea fights back 2-2 and eventually we get to a 3-3 dream game 7.
The entire series Nestea was trying to play his hatch first game. Trying to turn into macro zerg. Many times Boxer said, "O hell no" and tossed marines+micro at him. In just the very first game, this was the premiere case. 2 rax scv marine all in. The last game was very similar to the first, but Nestea evolved in just 7 games to learn exactly what he needed to do to beat this strategy, counter drone+ling micro. He did a beautiful job keeping his cool and executing, knowing that the very similar style broke him the first game, and almost many other games.
Then Nestea wins. Proving he does have the RTS skills to be a bonjwa. Proving he wasnt just a 2v2 joke. Proving that zergs can and will hold their ground vt. Proving that a 29 year old can steal beat the young guns.
Here's to you Zergbong, or shall I say, Nestea.
 
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[QUOTE]On November 15 2010 02:27 ZomgTossRush wrote:
What an epic series. I think it will go down as one of the greatest series of starcraft of ALL TIME. First off the obvious backstory: (SPOILERS)
i hope you mean starcraft 2 series right? RIGHT?
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This series was centered upon NesTea's attempt to reach late macro game, Foxer's attempt to stop NesTea from being able to reach the late game at all cost and NesTea's response to early aggression.
The entire series was very tense, perhaps the only regret is that there was no late stage macro game. The 2nd game was the closest to that.
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It was pretty awesome getting to a game 7 but i dont know if it was one of the best. certaintly more exicting than the last few jaedongs vs flash where its a jaedong ownage or flash ownage.
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Good thing Sc2 hasn't withered away people's standards of a good series...
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On November 15 2010 03:14 SubtleArt wrote:
Good thing Sc2 hasn't withered away people's standards of a good series...
lolz
TBH, I rate that whole series 6/10. Hopefully, I'm not being too generous
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On November 15 2010 03:05 WniO wrote:
It was pretty awesome getting to a game 7 but i dont know if it was one of the best. certaintly more exicting than the last few jaedongs vs flash where its a jaedong ownage or flash ownage.
OSL final between Flash and Jeadong was damn good. I was on the verge of seat all time.
Game 1: burrow ling trap
Game 2: double cheese into super tense game
Game 3: another 4 pool
Game 4: 5 rax into super tense game
I mean what more can you ask for.
Also Nate MSL could have been a great final if not for the stupid power outage.
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On November 15 2010 02:27 ZomgTossRush wrote:
He did ok in the 2v2, as in he could make a 9pool with a p teammate and start fipping coins. But once kespa(i assume) found out how bland and boring sc1 2v2 is they scrapped it, and we saw ZB less and less
2v2 in bw was so awesome it just needed good maps, gaz heavy like Hannibal 
Reach/Yellow, Reach/ZergBong, Foru/Clon <3
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this entire post makes my brain hurt. Firstly, you fail to see that Zergbong didnt actually get a thousand times better, its just much harder to be a SCBW pro, and a paragraph long rant about how "awful" zergbong was isnt the best way to start a post. And your overuse of the word Bonjwa tells me that you dont really understand its full implications. Bonjwas dont just win one tournament, they win EVERY tournament. Nextly, micro isnt a fucking revolutionary idea, its been happening for a while now. Just because Foxer is really good at micro doesnt mean he fundamentally changed anything about the game. (in terms of playstyle)
In conclusion, FFS stop using Zergbong like an insulting name and stop saying Bonjwa every fifth word, and this is FAR from the greatest series of all time.
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On November 15 2010 03:49 Lebesgue wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 03:05 WniO wrote:
It was pretty awesome getting to a game 7 but i dont know if it was one of the best. certaintly more exicting than the last few jaedongs vs flash where its a jaedong ownage or flash ownage. OSL final between Flash and Jeadong was damn good. I was on the verge of seat all time. Game 1: burrow ling trap Game 2: double cheese into super tense game Game 3: another 4 pool Game 4: 5 rax into super tense game I mean what more can you ask for. Also Nate MSL could have been a great final if not for the stupid power outage.
That was a horrible set. Well, I mean, if you enjoy watching Flash win, you should have enjoyed this. Actually, even Flash/T fans should be disappointed on how unexciting the games were
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Way too early to be saying 'bonjwa'
Come back after a couple of years
But I do have to say NesTea was pretty crazy in this season.... No losses until the final? WTF
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Yeah EllenPage is pretty cool but I still think stealing BoxeRs nick makes him an asshole.
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On November 15 2010 04:04 lastmotion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 03:49 Lebesgue wrote:On November 15 2010 03:05 WniO wrote:
It was pretty awesome getting to a game 7 but i dont know if it was one of the best. certaintly more exicting than the last few jaedongs vs flash where its a jaedong ownage or flash ownage. OSL final between Flash and Jeadong was damn good. I was on the verge of seat all time. Game 1: burrow ling trap Game 2: double cheese into super tense game Game 3: another 4 pool Game 4: 5 rax into super tense game I mean what more can you ask for. Also Nate MSL could have been a great final if not for the stupid power outage. That was a horrible set. Well, I mean, if you enjoy watching Flash win, you should have enjoyed this. Actually, even Flash/T fans should be disappointed on how unexciting the games were
I don't know what you mean by unexciting when every single game had super exciting moments. They maybe weren't the longest games but for sure they had really exciting moments. Like Flash dancing with his m'n'm just barely off the borrowed lings. Virtually everyone who was watching the game was like 'holy shit, will this trap work or not?' Now according to my definition that was exciting.
And why even Flash fans should be disappointed?
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I fail to see where I keep saying bonjwa every other sentence. I think I was pretty clear in what I said, but I'll clear it up even more for our special viewers 
Nestea, was NOT very good in BW. So far he has really impressed alot of ppl in sc2. Not ever losing a game until the final I think is underplayed in how amazing that is.
Does he have the skills to win multiple tournaments and be the first SC2 dominant "bonjwa?" Maybe, I think his decision making skills and flexibility are amazing and give him a good chance. The only way to way to tell is to wait untill GSL3 and other large tournaments.
Whether you agree with me or not, I think we can agree that SC2 has an exciting future with the play from the last few rounds of the GSL2.
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On November 15 2010 03:50 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 02:27 ZomgTossRush wrote:
He did ok in the 2v2, as in he could make a 9pool with a p teammate and start fipping coins. But once kespa(i assume) found out how bland and boring sc1 2v2 is they scrapped it, and we saw ZB less and less
2v2 in bw was so awesome it just needed good maps, gaz heavy like Hannibal Reach/Yellow, Reach/ZergBong, Foru/Clon <3
I kind of agree with you on that one, I wonder what BW 2v2 would look like with shard bases. Were there any games/maps played like that?
I mainly think the lack of variety in sc1 2v2 is credited to that inability to tech since the threat of a 2v1 was too strong.
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Your writeup is pretty good but I think you seriously underestimate what the term bonjwa entails.
Nestea will never be that good.
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Thought it was pretty lackluster personally. I didn't expect it to be better than that because of the players and stakes involved, but I watched with a group of people who don't really play a ton or at a high level and for them I don't think the series was that intriguing. People were pretty hype but as the games went on and the time between matches was often upwards of 10 minutes everyone was just waiting for it to end for closure.
Strategically I thought there were some interesting aspects but the player styles just didn't seem to match up to create good games.
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On November 15 2010 05:29 ZomgTossRush wrote:I fail to see where I keep saying bonjwa every other sentence. I think I was pretty clear in what I said, but I'll clear it up even more for our special viewers Nestea, was NOT very good in BW. So far he has really impressed alot of ppl in sc2. Not ever losing a game until the final I think is underplayed in how amazing that is. Does he have the skills to win multiple tournaments and be the first SC2 dominant "bonjwa?" Maybe, I think his decision making skills and flexibility are amazing and give him a good chance. The only way to way to tell is to wait untill GSL3 and other large tournaments. Whether you agree with me or not, I think we can agree that SC2 has an exciting future with the play from the last few rounds of the GSL2.
So first you insult me.
Then you either fail to address my points, or seemingly agree with them.
Then you round it out with a big pile of meaningless bullshit.
For god sake if you write something check to make sure that it actually fucking means something.
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On November 15 2010 11:10 Krazilec wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 05:29 ZomgTossRush wrote:I fail to see where I keep saying bonjwa every other sentence. I think I was pretty clear in what I said, but I'll clear it up even more for our special viewers Nestea, was NOT very good in BW. So far he has really impressed alot of ppl in sc2. Not ever losing a game until the final I think is underplayed in how amazing that is. Does he have the skills to win multiple tournaments and be the first SC2 dominant "bonjwa?" Maybe, I think his decision making skills and flexibility are amazing and give him a good chance. The only way to way to tell is to wait untill GSL3 and other large tournaments. Whether you agree with me or not, I think we can agree that SC2 has an exciting future with the play from the last few rounds of the GSL2. So first you insult me. Then you either fail to address my points, or seemingly agree with them. Then you round it out with a big pile of meaningless bullshit. For god sake if you write something check to make sure that it actually fucking means something.
The nice thing about blogs is that I can ban people. I am open to mature debate, but not immature swearing.
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On November 15 2010 03:50 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 02:27 ZomgTossRush wrote:
He did ok in the 2v2, as in he could make a 9pool with a p teammate and start fipping coins. But once kespa(i assume) found out how bland and boring sc1 2v2 is they scrapped it, and we saw ZB less and less
2v2 in bw was so awesome it just needed good maps, gaz heavy like Hannibal Reach/Yellow, Reach/ZergBong, Foru/Clon <3
i agree, hunters killed 2v2 :/
hwangsanbyul was pretty good too!
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Greatest of all-time? Based on what? There were much more entertaining series earlier in the tournament and the previous finals had a much better vibe going into them. Moreover, a Z managed to win when the common perception was T was overpowered and Z was underpowered; nowadays that isn't the case.
The series was decent in that it went to 7 games, but that's about all that was good about it. I hated how almost every game there was some kind of build to either get a huge advantage early on (or fall way behind) or to win outright. Foxer's inability to play lategame at an even footing (as in without already having a huge advantage) was not very conducive to me enjoying the series.
This will probably go down as a decent finals by virtue of its novelty, but nowhere near the "greatest ever."
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I definitely would not go so far as to say this was the greatest of all time. If anything, I preferred the FoxeR vs. KyrixZenith sets much more. Kyrix ceaseless baneling production helped FoxeR showcase his superb micro and also made for a tense atmosphere during much of each set (the last one in particular). Knowing that at any moment FoxeR could lose from a single misclick... FoxeR vs. NesTea was entertaining to watch, but there were more exciting matchups even within the GSL2 not to mention in all of SC history (perhaps you only meant SC2, but I still feel that there have been more, or at least equally exciting matchups like the Kyrix/FoxeR matchup I mentioned).
On November 15 2010 03:58 Krazilec wrote:
this entire post makes my brain hurt. Firstly, you fail to see that Zergbong didnt actually get a thousand times better, its just much harder to be a SCBW pro, and a paragraph long rant about how "awful" zergbong was isnt the best way to start a post. And your overuse of the word Bonjwa tells me that you dont really understand its full implications. Bonjwas dont just win one tournament, they win EVERY tournament. Nextly, micro isnt a fucking revolutionary idea, its been happening for a while now. Just because Foxer is really good at micro doesnt mean he fundamentally changed anything about the game. (in terms of playstyle)
In conclusion, FFS stop using Zergbong like an insulting name and stop saying Bonjwa every fifth word, and this is FAR from the greatest series of all time.
this entire post made my brain hurt. Firstly, you fail when you presume to know what is the 'best way' to start a post. Zergbong's SC1 career was a failure, that's the history. Now it may be true that he didn't get 'a thousand times better'. He'd probably still be bad at SCBW if he went back to play it now. However, the reality is that he IS good at SC2 for whatever reason, so while the fact that he wasn't great at SCBW and is good at SC2 doesn't mean that he's gotten much better at SC as a whole, it still emphasizes that his progaming career went from a failed one to a successful one (or at least, he's won one major tournament, we'll see if he can keep it up). And your exaggeration of the number of times ZTR said Bonjwa is a lame way to discredit him. 'Stop saying Bonjwa every fifth word'... He only said it TWO times in his whole post. Nextly*, micro may not be a fucking revolutionary idea, but going as marine heavy as FoxeR did was unique play.
In conclusion, FFS stop insulting ZTR even if he may not be completely 'correct' in everything he says. Simply pointing out what you disagree with and why is enough.
*Not a real word by the way. Should I rant about that? Say something like, 'Clearly you don't really understand the English language'. No, that just sounds stupid, but it's what you were doing ranting about bonjwa when you could simply explain to him what a 'bonjwa' actually was without all the flaming.
Did my post annoy you? Well it should have been as I copied your post's format which comes off as quite aggressive. ZTR was writing a friendly blog post expressing his opinion of the GSL outcome. On a side note, I don't usually swear. I find it quite immature. In fact, even in real life I can count the number of times I've sworn on one hand o.O
On November 15 2010 04:22 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Yeah EllenPage is pretty cool but I still think stealing BoxeRs nick makes him an asshole.
Really? You know the quote, "Imitation is the sincerest of flattery." Not sure I see how using another's name makes one a jerk. FoxeR admires SlayerSBoxeR. He would have to be a complete idiot to think that he can fool people into thinking he is the real BoxeR and steal SlayerSBoxeR's fame... yea, I'm pretty sure FoxeR's imitation was simply a toast to his childhood hero. No malice intended.
On Novermber 15 2010 11:10 Krazilec wrote:
So first you insult me.
Then you either fail to address my points, or seemingly agree with them.
Then you round it out with a big pile of meaningless bullshit.
For god sake if you write something check to make sure that it actually fucking means something.
What? I'm confused. Unless you are a troll, in which case this makes perfect sense. How did he insult you? What else could ZTR had said to point out that he only said 'bonjwa' twice? He couldn't have phrased it much more gently. He then even corrects himself... he takes your advice and clarifies, yet you call this 'fail[ing] to address [your] points' and 'round[ing] it out with a big pile of meaningless bullshit'. Guess you can't be satisfied, not to mention, overly sensitive.
By the way, if you are a troll and therefore get satisfaction from making other people angry, know that your posts have elicited laughter, not anger. So, don't get satisfaction thinking you've made others angry, because you haven't. =) Cheers. If you aren't a troll, lighten up. What do you have against others?
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