• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 06:21
CET 12:21
KST 20:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Clem wins HomeStory Cup 282HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win2RSL Season 4 announced for March-April7Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win3Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview Clem wins HomeStory Cup 28 Stellar Fest "01" Jersey Charity Auction StarCraft 2 Not at the Esports World Cup 2026 Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 28 RSL Season 4 announced for March-April PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 510 Safety Violation Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report
Brood War
General
2024 BoxeR's birthday message Liquipedia.net NEEDS editors for Brood War BSL Season 21 - Complete Results Bleak Future After Failed ProGaming Career [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10
Strategy
Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Join illuminati in Windhoek Namibia+27 83 510 7000
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Play, Watch, Drink: Esports …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1884 users

My take on gaming gear advertisements

Blogs > Endymion
Post a Reply
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
October 30 2010 00:07 GMT
#1
I have been thinking about this all day since my business recitation at 9am today: What makes me choose which gaming gear to purchase? Looks, cost, prestige of the item, feel, or features?

This was all set off by an example of the class's discussion leader; He was show casing two sets of different speakers. One set was small, grey, and from where I was sitting cheap looking(we'll call this set A). The other set was tall, sleek black with a luminate blue light indicating power, and looked pretty baller (set B). He then played some instrumental piece through both, set B had terrible musical quality while set A had phenomenal musical quality. He then identified the brands of both speakers, set A was some quality speaker line that I can't recall the name of, while set B was some generic line. At this point I was thinking about a keyboard thread that I had seen on TL.net about which ones to buy, and that most of them looked like shit in my eyes (grey, looked straight out of the 90's), but I thought that they must be quality just because someone with a high post count had recommended them.

In the example of the keyboard, I had completely disregarded the look in favor of a trusted recommendation and assumed functionality, both of which the producer had no real control over (besides making a competent product of course). The company spent no money at all in marketing towards me, yet I still bought and recommended their product. In fact, they saved money not putting fancy lights or a sleek paint job on the keyboard, and still charged me a hefty $200 for their product. Why is this possible? I think it's because the keyboard has an image of prestige in my mind because of both its high cost and because a TLer recommended it. To be honest, they could have shipped me a piece of garbage 1990 keyboard and I would have been screwed out of $200.

So back to the discussion leader's demonstration. He asked the class, without giving us pricing for either sets, which set people would rather buy. The class was split about 70% to 30%, the 70% wanting to buy set B and the 30% wanting to buy set A. People wanting to buy set B gave an interesting response, they said that they would rather buy the inferior sounding set because of the look. They argued that if they didn't play music while they had guests over, that they would impress more than set A. People arguing for set A obviously argued that their set had superior sound output, and that the prestige of the brand would impress guests more then a flashy paint job and blue light. The discussion leader then gave prices for both sets, set A costs $300 and set B costs $30. Nobody changed their mind, big surprise.

So how then should Razer/Steel Series advertise to us as a community? Well, there are a few of us on TL.net that buy gear based solely on functionality (to get the maximum amount out of our keyboards), while others discriminate by price, macro controls, and looks. Almost all of us, however, are effected by recommendations given by people we look up to in the community. For example, if Artosis, Tasteless, Day9, and Idra all recommended a keyboard I would probably buy it. I trust all of their opinions, because I look up to their skills. However, if Razer pays them all to speak favorably about their product, I could care less about what they have to say. I would see Razer's money and marketing executives speaking favorably about their products, not my friends. This is why I think sponsorship for products is silly, forcing players to use your gear makes them worse off unless they explicitly want to use it.

Look at the new line of Razer SC2 gear coming out. I'm not going to buy it. Why? I mean I like the look of it, I think apm technology is pretty nifty too. I also like other Razer products, I own a Deathadder and a Razer mouse pad. I'm branded to them, in terms of mouses. But I think this new line of gear is stupid, I don't want it. It looks childish, and I don't want people looking at it when they come into my room. I also don't want to wear it to a lan. It's TOO pretentious..

So what, thats one sale lost for them I guess..

What do you guys think? How should they promote their products, and what should they change?

*****
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
ThePurist
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada686 Posts
October 30 2010 01:43 GMT
#2
Not to derail or anything, but this phenomena happens pretty much everywhere notably in high-end audio and clothing from boutiques/department stores.

1. Social Value. The unit design, manufacturer's image, or the designer brand name matters a lot in terms of "social value" to a lot of people. If I have a Razer product, it's not about owning a mouse, its about owning an image that people will see and will react towards.

2. Regarding this comment: "For example, if Artosis, Tasteless, Day9, and Idra all recommended a keyboard I would probably buy it. I trust all of their opinions, because I look up to their skills. However, if Razer pays them all to speak favorably about their product, I could care less about what they have to say. " --> I'm not saying these guys are paid off but most "known" reviewers of products on youtube and forums are sent a pre-production or production sample for them to keep, so even though they aren't getting any money they are happy and will slightly be inclined to give favor to the company that sent them the sample product for them to keep.

3. Competitive pricing has a lot do with number of sales. IMHO, the logitech mini optical was successful because of it's very competitive retail price, readily available everywhere (back then), and pro-gamers started using them without a sponsorship from logitech. I do not know how much Razer mice cost, but I will ballpark at 40~80 dollars. As a consumer, I will do some research before purchasing and if the more expensive mouse has gimmicky features which I won't use then it pretty much seals the deal for me. Why pay more for features I don't need/use.

4. Razer is doing fine I believe, but a lot of their products seems gimmicky and there are some quality control issues. Perhaps instead of advertising who they are, maybe they should re-invest that money into R&D for a fresh standpoint on gaming peripherals.

Juss my 2cents.

IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
October 30 2010 01:51 GMT
#3
I agree with ThePurist.
Moderator<:3-/-<
REDBLUEGREEN
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Germany1904 Posts
October 30 2010 01:51 GMT
#4
Personally when I buy a more expensive brand even though it's quality is equal to a cheaper brand it is due to sponsorship and not advertisement. Take Red Bull as an example. Energy drinks taste so much alike and yet Red Bull cost like 500% more than a no name product. If I decide to still buy a Red Bull it is not because I think it tastes better it is because they sponsor all sorts of stuff that I like (rally and all sorts of funsports) and pump money into the repective sport so that it grows. Basically I see them helping something that I enjoy so I decide to help them.
So for me at least, Razer and all the other brands that sponsor e-sports are doing their advertisement just fine.
Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
October 30 2010 02:25 GMT
#5
Do keyboards really make such a big difference? I use keyboards from the mid 90's and they work just fine. Well the 2 key on one misbehaves sometimes when I play BW. I find a group of units just hanging out somewhere on the map and group 1&3 fights the enemies alone. Could just be me tho since it seems to work just fine when I write.
I have the best fucking lawyers in the country including the man they call the Malmis.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
October 30 2010 02:27 GMT
#6
I really don't think they should change the way they advertise things just like I completely agree with using hot blondes in beer ads. Sometimes, it feels unethical, but what the hell, if you don't like it, don't buy it.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Insanious
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1251 Posts
October 30 2010 02:32 GMT
#7
On October 30 2010 11:25 Eatme wrote:
Do keyboards really make such a big difference? I use keyboards from the mid 90's and they work just fine. Well the 2 key on one misbehaves sometimes when I play BW. I find a group of units just hanging out somewhere on the map and group 1&3 fights the enemies alone. Could just be me tho since it seems to work just fine when I write.

depends on the games you play. For SC and SC2 I think it depends more on what you think is comfortable than anything else.

For games like WoW, having accessible macro keys are always good, something that some keyboards put in stupid places (like mine)

Or, because I generally play FPS' I enjoy my keyboard. It has keys that are close together, as well as they have half the distance for key presses. Meaning that it takes less time for me to press a key on my keyboard than those that use generic ones. This means that situations where a fraction of a second matters (who shoots first) can lean more in my favor based on equipment.
If you want to help me out... http://signup.leagueoflegends.com/?ref=4b82744b816d3
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45259 Posts
October 30 2010 03:32 GMT
#8
Form follows function.

I don't care how snazzy or aesthetically pleasing something looks if it can't do what it's supposed to do in the first place.

I could buy the sleakest, most baller-looking cell phone in the world... but if I can't make a call or send a text message with it, it's just a paperweight.

If two things perform equally well on a functional level, then I'll compare the aesthetics. Usually, there are a trillion different kinds of the same product you're looking for, so you generally have your pick of the litter when considering other things after functionality (price, aesthetics, etc.).

But I always look at functionality first. Does it have the things I *need* in that product?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
October 30 2010 09:24 GMT
#9
Most people will choose design over quality, no surprise there.

I don't see the point buying a nice looking expensive speaker that can't produce decent sound. It's just plain stupid.
Believing in what lies ahead. | That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet.
NIIINO
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Slovakia1320 Posts
October 30 2010 09:35 GMT
#10
Im buying PC gear just from SS or Razer why ? its simple, really look ----> I give my money to SS/R ---> They sponsor my favorite teams ---> they are happy cause they are still sponsored, im happy cause they show my epic shows : )
its the same as problematic of Nike / addidas what ever just look... Nike is sponsoring NBA ? i like watch em jumping so i give my money to Nike besides to Chinies even they are so much cheaper.

Its not Q how they should sell they products on their web but how they are doing it on tournaments they are sponsoring.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
October 30 2010 09:48 GMT
#11
I honestly think the way Razer advertises their products is a bit ingenuous. They promote useless frills, hype largely meaningless numbers like CPI and tag old designs with silly new names to make them seem more important or rare. And up until a few years ago, their reliability was extremely poor.

That said, I own an Abyssus, DeathAdder and Goliathus Control pad and I think all three are excellent. I also research my accessories heavily and pay very close attention to performance, coming from an FPS background. I also own a Steelseries 5L, Siberia and 6gv2.

I care purely about performance and price (I turn off the lights on all the mice) and that's why I choose these products. I wish Razer fired their entire marketting team, however, and gave more money to their engineers.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PondCast
10:00
Episode 80
CranKy Ducklings63
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 225
ProTech142
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 12224
Killer 4914
Rain 2368
Sea 2300
Horang2 1445
Flash 1389
Bisu 950
Jaedong 596
Hyuk 591
Larva 525
[ Show more ]
BeSt 388
Soma 347
Stork 255
Leta 250
Snow 241
Soulkey 239
actioN 230
Light 199
Mini 161
Last 152
Hyun 134
Dewaltoss 120
hero 86
ZerO 81
Shuttle 63
Aegong 51
Mind 49
Sea.KH 49
Rush 44
JYJ 43
Sharp 42
ToSsGirL 37
JulyZerg 29
Backho 28
sSak 27
Shinee 22
IntoTheRainbow 18
GoRush 16
zelot 16
sorry 13
NotJumperer 12
Terrorterran 9
SilentControl 8
[sc1f]eonzerg 5
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm118
XcaliburYe117
League of Legends
JimRising 328
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss1412
allub247
x6flipin192
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King450
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor213
Other Games
B2W.Neo965
ceh9485
crisheroes239
ZerO(Twitch)12
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 1205
lovetv 24
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 6
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos4244
• Stunt797
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Invitational
39m
YoungYakov vs MaxPax
ByuN vs herO
SHIN vs Classic
Creator vs Cure
Replay Cast
12h 39m
RongYI Cup
1d 23h
herO vs Maru
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-04
HSC XXVIII
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS4
Rongyi Cup S3
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W7
Escore Tournament S1: W8
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.