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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 20:28:30
October 19 2010 20:01 GMT
#1
So some of you may know my from my stream and everything, you may know i tend to be erratic with how i treat ladder, throwing away games if i make a mistake, sometimes sticking out til the very end just for fun, and making my opponent look like trash when i win due to my style of play and how i just wait for them to give up.

I really hate blizzard for demoting a 1500 diamond (i finally hit 1500 after a big win streak, i don't ladder much). now i am #1 plat with 1400 points and no one i play is near diamond level, blizzard arbitraily took away my practice method forcing me to now custom game to get any practice and my diamond rank (only mattered to me for entering tournaments that are "diamond only")

now this is a crappy circle, i can either power ladder games, that don't help me at all to attempt to get back to diamond (30 wins later and not diamond yet, so i feel like i need to win 100+ games for it to send me back up)in order to be able to practice at diamond level on ladder, or just use custom games and be excluded from alot of the random open tournaments that i like to enter to get my name out there and have fun.

So i'm stuck in ladder-limbo because of what i assume is an error in the MMR? Unless it really thought a 1500 diamond player that wins 60% of his games at the 1500 level is actually as good as a platinum level. I just feel way too discouraged to try anything until the next season of ladder because of that crappy MMR. I'd have to play so many games to prove my MMR to it since it thinks i'm plat after 500ish ladder games.

So thats what i'm upset about. being higher ranked than morrow (as zerg) never having a loss streak more than 6 games(was quitting at first mistake), and never having a day where i lost more than won, and now a platinum ranked person. Rank never mattered to me, in terms of the number and rating next to your name, just the diamond symbol because of the ability to enter tournaments, so i would often just practice new things on ladder then bring it into customs to perfect.

I miss my rank, blizzard give it back.

EDIT: to fully explain the sequence of events: got to 1500, lost 3 games won 5 lost 1 won 1, stopped playing for midterms. logged back in on a friday to play in omfg.tv's showmatch thing and it told me i was plat.

all in all i just wanted to express my frustration with the ladder system to TL and explain to my fans and viewers why exactly i haven't been streaming lately. watching me beat a player who a moves marines into banelings isn't exactly entertaining.

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mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
October 19 2010 20:04 GMT
#2
lol that sucks, just keep laddering you'll get it back.

on another note, i'm going to start describing my skill level in terms of top players off races as well.

i'm higher ranked than idra
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CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11583 Posts
October 19 2010 20:05 GMT
#3
haha i didnt play since release date and lost like 10 games in a row. i'm still in diamond yo!
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tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19082 Posts
October 19 2010 20:06 GMT
#4
Off-race ranking....I smell a new ladder...
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LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
October 19 2010 20:06 GMT
#5
On October 20 2010 05:05 CaucasianAsian wrote:
haha i didnt play since release date and lost like 10 games in a row. i'm still in diamond yo!


u went like 2-17 rofl.
Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
October 19 2010 20:07 GMT
#6
Keep laddering and you'll get it back. You probably lost to players with low MMR consistently; I believe this is how Blizzard tests which league you should be in. I don't think it'll be very difficult for you to get promoted again. On the bright side, your points will probably mostly carry over. So enjoy getting the easy ones while you can.
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 20:08:03
October 19 2010 20:07 GMT
#7
haha, i was only doing a comparison, no matter my loss streak, falling from 2100 to 1400 is a much larger loss streak, and i don't see why i would drop down to plat for a big win streak.

EDIT: at wolf, probably, i do lose to protoss alot.
dinki0825
Profile Joined June 2010
United States238 Posts
October 19 2010 20:10 GMT
#8
Did they demote you for being inactive on ladder or you just had a terrible losing streak? Either way you'll be back in diamond if you really are a diamond level player. Goodluck dude
GreatFall
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1061 Posts
October 19 2010 20:11 GMT
#9
Wow, sounds like a glitch to me. I'll still watch your stream though man! You put on a great show and your commentary rocks. 'Cept for when your prudish roommate comes around and makes you turn off voice chat lol.
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BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
October 19 2010 20:14 GMT
#10
huh? so you were playing against 1500+ players,were winning and got demoted?
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Seide
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States831 Posts
October 19 2010 20:14 GMT
#11
I'm confused. Am I getting this right? So you were diamond 1500, played a bunch of games while winning, and got demoted?

If thats so thats pretty shitty. Also dont see how the hell it would happen, outside of some crazy bug in MMR, which since you are playing pretty crappy people is what seemed to have happened.

Like your stream, helped me with my zerg a lot. Havent watched it in awhile though.
One fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish.
VonLego
Profile Joined June 2010
United States519 Posts
October 19 2010 20:18 GMT
#12
You threw away games with a unique ladder style -- and then wondered why the MMR system gets confused? You're not being totally fair.

Sure I'm shocked that you're demoted, but you're not using the ladder "as intended." If you rank truly doesn't mean anything to you to the point that you'll just leave games, why do you worry about it so much? If you leave games you're going to be placed against lesser players when you do play a "real game" than you would anyways, resulting in easier wins.

I also don't think you understand how the match making works. You claim you played 30 games since demotion and they were all stupid easy vs terrible plat players? You're 30-0 for your last 30 games? Unlikely, you're probably 20-10.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 20:26:37
October 19 2010 20:22 GMT
#13
On October 20 2010 05:18 VonLego wrote:
You threw away games with a unique ladder style -- and then wondered why the MMR system gets confused? You're not being totally fair.

Sure I'm shocked that you're demoted, but you're not using the ladder "as intended." If you rank truly doesn't mean anything to you to the point that you'll just leave games, why do you worry about it so much? If you leave games you're going to be placed against lesser players when you do play a "real game" than you would anyways, resulting in easier wins.

I also don't think you understand how the match making works. You claim you played 30 games since demotion and they were all stupid easy vs terrible plat players? You're 30-0 for your last 30 games? Unlikely, you're probably 20-10.

i'm 30-5 in plat. lost to 4 all ins and 1 game where i fatfingered the explosion hotkey on banelings in a zvz. haven't played anyone diamond in any of them.

EDIT: pretty much i don't care about anything other than the league and who it matches me up against. if i was 100th diamond with 0 points but playing 1500-1700 point diamond players. that is having worst possible diamond rank but playing the same opponents as before the drop, i'd be happy.
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Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden4 Posts
October 19 2010 20:26 GMT
#14
I call bullshit. You get demoted for loosing games against opponents that are worse then you. Keep in mind - winning against a 1600 diamond or a 600 plat is way more different then to be explained as a win.
Gruntt
Profile Joined August 2010
United States175 Posts
October 19 2010 20:29 GMT
#15
you can get demoted?
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
October 19 2010 20:30 GMT
#16
On October 20 2010 05:29 Gruntt wrote:
you can get demoted?

technically no, you get "reclassified" to a lower league or "promoted" to a higher league but never "demoted"
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9758 Posts
October 19 2010 20:32 GMT
#17
On October 20 2010 05:06 LuckyFool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2010 05:05 CaucasianAsian wrote:
haha i didnt play since release date and lost like 10 games in a row. i'm still in diamond yo!


u went like 2-17 rofl.

that was my first iccup season -.-
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
October 19 2010 20:34 GMT
#18
On October 20 2010 05:32 seRapH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2010 05:06 LuckyFool wrote:
On October 20 2010 05:05 CaucasianAsian wrote:
haha i didnt play since release date and lost like 10 games in a row. i'm still in diamond yo!


u went like 2-17 rofl.

that was my first iccup season -.-

mine too, i was always a fan of BW and never a player, so i decided to play and i would just do the same strategies i saw the pros use in korea and be terrible at them lol.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
October 19 2010 20:36 GMT
#19
What was your Diamond League like? Were you in a league of hell or something so that 1500 was the lower 1/2 of the ladder? That combined with cumulated losses over time may have knocked you down.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25981 Posts
October 19 2010 20:40 GMT
#20
So you lost your MMR and got demoted. What's the issue?
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