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Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
October 13 2010 15:42 GMT
#1
Thank god that it finally looks like it'll happen, seems so long since the last season and individual leagues finished, and while GSL was ok (and GSL2 looks really good), and WCG was a welcome interruption (if only for the great Flash/JD series), actually getting regular high level broodwar back on our screens is great. Thought I'd throw down some random predictions of what'll happen:

10th - Ace

Much like pictures of kittens, it's impossible to not like Ace, but I don't think anyone can realistically say they'll finish anywhere but last, especially seeing how the worst two other teams effectively got contracted. Iris/Ruby should provide at least a competitive Terran lineup (I say Iris, TLPD still lists him as being with cjhiteentussparkyz or whatever they call themselves now, although someone else's preview says he's gone there), but other than that, it looks a bit thin, particularly with Reach/Anytime leaving soon and Yellow following not too long afterwards. ggaemo might pick up some wins if Blizzard nerf Terran by removing spider mines, if Pusan is in (applied same time as FBH? Is he in? Anyone?) he might pick up some wins, but they don't have anywhere the strength in depth to consistently pick up three wins in any given matchup, particularly given that most of the other teams have culled their B-teamers and won't use games vs Ace to give them televised experience. Sad but inevitable.

9th - STX

How did they finish second last season? Anyone? I don't know, certainly towards the end of last season they looked horrible. They need a lot of things to go right for them if they want to get anywhere near the playoffs, namely they need Kal to become more consistent (and keep up his very good record in ace matches), Calm to stop sucking, and some of their other players to step up to the next level. Filling their Terran hole with Classic is a start but isn't really ideal, and having to fill a spot with mediocre zergs such as hyvaa, hero or Modesty isn't pretty.

8 - Khan

Think this is similar to STX's situation, except it's a bit better as I feel that Stork is more reliable than Kal, and they have an overall better squad. great was beginning to emerge as a very solid zerg towards the end of last season, but then you're looking at either using Jangbi, who hasn't been near his best for quite a while, or other random players who really shouldn't be anywhere near a proleague lineup. With firebathero gone, can you name any of their Terran players? Can Brave, Chavi, Grape or Juni improve? I think they missed a trick in not trying to get Really from the Estro draft, getting another player who'll pick up wins on a regular basis would have been huge.

7 - Oz

Unless they can clone Jaedong they're always going to struggle. If Hiya can keep playing well, they'll be fine, as a Hiya win + Jaedong = guaranteed to get to ace match and gg as long as the coach stops being retarded and using Killer for no good reason. If not, they're kind of fucked as the likes of Backho, Lomo, Killer etc strike fear into exactly nobody. But having the best zerg in the world will always give whoever they play very little margin for error.

6 - MBC

They have one of the best 1-2's in the game in Light and Sea, but after that, their lineup is weak as anything. Hyun/Saint are run of the mill Zergs, Tyson/Jaehoon similar for Protoss. The other team throwing in well-timed Terran snipers can give them a ton of trouble. The only reason I have them this high is just because Light and Sea are so good and will win their matches a large proportion of the time, and can both hold their own in an ace match situation.

5 - Fox

Wemade are an odd team in that they have a lot of players that are good, but not so many that are truly s-class. The likes of Roro, Midas, Baby, Pure, Shine etc are all good players and can be relied upon to beat most players they will be put up against. The problem they have (similar to Stars I guess) is that would you bet on any of them to beat a Flash, Jaedong, Stork, Fantasy or similar that the other team would throw at them in an ace match? I can't say that I would, and that'll result in a lot of 3-2 defeats. I think they're good enough that they can get three out of the four that they send out to win often enough that they avoid an ace scenario against most teams, but it only requires a couple of players to start to slump and that'll stop happening and the losses will begin to pile up.

4 - CJhite

Loss of Effort is obviously huge, but the merger with hite gives them a new ace in Leta which fills the gap somewhat (although I'd personally rather have Effort). They have a fairly large Zerg hole, with their best player being a somewhat hit and miss Hydra, but their other races are very good, where Snow will hopefully continue to improve, also having Movie and Horang2 who can both pick wins up on a regular basis, and Skyhigh has some of the best TvT in the game. Moreover, they have players who are very good against each matchup should it go to a situation where they are against a team with an obvious ace.

3 - Stars

Probably homertastic, but Stars are one of the biggest beneficiaries of the Estro collapse, picking up both Really and Flying, which goes somewhat to address their massive Terran hole that they've had since the dawn of time (magnified somewhat by MVP leaving to kick ass in SC2), and also the loss of Guemchi. Zero/free can be relied upon to win most of their games, and Stars now have a larger supporting cast to fill the lineup out, with Soulkey improving, and the new imports strengthing things. Like Fox, Stars do have a problem in that free or Zero aren't the best should a match go 2-2, but the difference here is that there is at least two choices of players that can win, which most teams that aren't SKT or MBC don't have.

Also we now no longer have Kwanro corrupting the minds of people with nothing but all-in builds.

2 - SKT1

I don't see any team as having made the improvements necessary to really challenge SKT1, but at the same time, they've not done a great deal to improve things themselves either. They've brought in Kwanro, who is somewhat better than the other Zergs they have, but that's about it, it's still the same old Fantasy/Best/Bisu with not a great deal else other than Canata, the most boring Terran in the whole wide world (apart from when he goes for fail proxies on the biggest of stages), and a multitude of mediocre Zerg players who show occasional good play (s2 was real good late in the season, Hyuk was real good that one day, soo, er, wait, no it's gone). A very strong base lineup with players who can fill in as snipers and/or plan gimmick builds would see them win the Proleague if it wasn't for...

1 - KTFlash

They have the best player in the world! And the chinliest Protoss! And they also have the nerve to break the bank for Action! What could possibly go wrong? The answer is not much. Flash is basically good for an auto-win, and barring another one of those hilarious ace match slumps, will give you the win if one of your other players can beat anyone. It's not impossible that another team can beat all of Action/Stats/fOrGG (or maybe Violet, Tempest), but it's not that likely. Action gives the current champions an up and coming Zerg, whose late game control can arguably already be called elite, Stats is close to a top tier Protoss already with no obvious weakness (other than bad cannon timing), and whoever else they pick to fill out their team is superior to a lot of teams' #3 or even #2 player. I can't see them doing anything else other than taking the regular season crown, and I don't think any team has anywhere near the strength in depth to take them out in a best of 7 finals setting.

Let's just hope people don't start arguing about money again and that this Saturday actually does start things off as we all want. Zero fighting and all that.

*****
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66366 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-13 15:49:26
October 13 2010 15:48 GMT
#2
read what actually happened

t.t

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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51702 Posts
October 13 2010 16:03 GMT
#3
On October 14 2010 00:48 konadora wrote:
read what actually happened

t.t

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=160353


regardless we will still have PL,if not for just a while at least.
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vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
October 13 2010 16:11 GMT
#4
i personally think that STX is rated a bit too low. but i like where you put CJ/hite!
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Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
October 13 2010 16:29 GMT
#5
i can understand why you ranked oz so low, perfectman clearly slipped your mind. with him, they have another guaranteed win so they don't even need hiya to play well
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Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
October 13 2010 16:30 GMT
#6
I completely agree with your list except SKT is going to be 1st and KT second. its time flash slumped. And its time Bisu becomes Bonjwa. Its just time. SKT will be champions, i KNOW it.
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Ricjames
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Czech Republic1047 Posts
October 13 2010 16:51 GMT
#7
PL just has to start as i am so looking forward to it. I would go with Kiante and say SKT will take the first spot as Best is gonna be sexier than he ever was, Bisu will pick it up and Hyuk will Hyuk his opponents + Flash has to start losing, noone can remain top for too long, especially in brood war i think, although he plays Terran and it is the most consistent race especially when you play it safe.
Brood War is the best RTS that has ever been created.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
October 13 2010 17:15 GMT
#8
I predict a Flash slump. Flash won the previous PL, the OSL,MSL,and WCG. He accomplished everything he wanted, so I don't see any strong motivation for him. I think SKT is going to do well.
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2929 Posts
October 13 2010 17:37 GMT
#9
Really cool that Action is on KT, but I was hoping that CJ would pick him up.
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LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
October 13 2010 18:10 GMT
#10
STX, Khan, and Oz is too low dammit.

Kal is the third player who represented Korea always produced good result.
Dissing Khan means dissing Stork, fan boys wouldn't like that.
Jaedong oz is very good. No one can beat Jaedong except Flash now. Either hiya, killer, or lomo has a win a game to bring jaedong for the ace match.

Yeah I know I am crazy.
alypse
Profile Joined May 2010
2784 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-13 18:12:28
October 13 2010 18:11 GMT
#11
On October 14 2010 00:48 konadora wrote:
read what actually happened

t.t

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=160353


why a t.t? I tell you, Kepsa will triumph over Gretech/Blizz in the battle at the court. BW and Proleague will continue to kick ass.
KT Violet 1988 - 2012
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
October 13 2010 18:32 GMT
#12
On October 14 2010 03:11 alypse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2010 00:48 konadora wrote:
read what actually happened

t.t

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=160353


why a t.t? I tell you, Kepsa will triumph over Gretech/Blizz in the battle at the court. BW and Proleague will continue to kick ass.


Estro's disbanded, CJ and Hite are merging, MBCgame is on the verge of disbanding, and all B teamers and practice partners on every team have jumped ship. Not gonna be a great proleague this year X_X
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
October 13 2010 19:44 GMT
#13
Proleague records for last season

Leta 43-26
Effort 39-28

CJ should be contenders for the title together with KT and SKT.

"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
October 13 2010 19:58 GMT
#14
On October 14 2010 00:42 sixfour wrote:
With firebathero gone, can you name any of their Terran players?


TurN! He'll show you all how awesome he is this year and I'm not being ironic
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
October 13 2010 20:24 GMT
#15
I really hope Proleague goes through. And my fave team kt should be awesome with action this year
Mortician
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Bulgaria2332 Posts
October 14 2010 03:59 GMT
#16
On October 14 2010 03:32 SubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2010 03:11 alypse wrote:
On October 14 2010 00:48 konadora wrote:
read what actually happened

t.t

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=160353


why a t.t? I tell you, Kepsa will triumph over Gretech/Blizz in the battle at the court. BW and Proleague will continue to kick ass.


Estro's disbanded, CJ and Hite are merging, MBCgame is on the verge of disbanding, and all B teamers and practice partners on every team have jumped ship. Not gonna be a great proleague this year X_X


It was kinda like that when WC3 came out, dont worry, we'll make it through
"If anything, the skill cap in sc2 is higher [than sc1] because there are a lot more things you can do at one given time. " darmousseh
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
October 14 2010 23:08 GMT
#17
Some alterations given the changes to format (namely it's now best of 7 and there's two rounds in the winners' league format):

- Shift Oz down to 9. The format pretty much forces them into a Jaedong/Hiya/Backho/Lomo/Killer/Perfectman lineup, and I think that their players from the #3 downwards are so bad that even Jaedong can't help them. That there's an additional winners league round helps a touch, but it shoves so much pressure on Jaedong, and just allows opposition teams to beat up on the weak underbelly of their lineup while holding back zerg snipers. Move STX and Khan up to 8 and 7 respectively to adjust for this, although STX's somewhat greater relative strength in depth means that placing them 7th is not unreasonable, it's extremely close.

- Gap to MBC in 6th from everyone below is that much closer. After Light/Sea, their lineup from 3-6 is really no better than anyone below them.

- Bump CJ up to 3 and Stars down to 4. CJ's greater options to fill out the order I think now gives them the slight edge. Stars now have to use either of Crazy-Hydra (who really isn't that good) or hon_sin (who showed promise in the STX Masters but I don't know if he's ready to play every week, baptism of fire I guess), which is hugely inferior to who CJ can fill out the lineup with. The gap from Fox in 5th to those above also closes a ton.

- KT consolidate 1st even more. If we assume that Flash/Action/Stats/fOrGG against Fantasy/Best/Bisu/Kwanro is even (which I don't and I think KT has an edge here), who would you want playing out the 5th/6th matches? Some selection of Hyuk/Canata/Soo/s2, or some choices from Violet/Hoejja/Tempest? I wouldn't want whichever SKT zerg is playing ok anywhere near the lineup.

p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
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