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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
On October 10 2010 12:14 Hinanawi wrote: Short answer? No, he's not, but he was a better choice than what the Republicans fielded that year. I'm allergic to Creationists, I wish the GOP would stop running them. Amen. There's a place for religion: Church. Not the hill. | ||
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Belegorm
United States330 Posts
I was never for him, due to his views on abortion, the economy and healthcare and I still am not. MrBitter: So you're saying your religion has to stay in private, that it can't influence your views? Most people's morals and ethics are formed by their religion. | ||
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Floophead_III
United States1832 Posts
Cmon guys... quit making damn excuses for the man. Every president ever faces opposition from media and the opposing party. That's called politics. Presidents still have success even with those obstacles. You cannot possibly believe that the Republicans would simply let Obama do whatever he wanted because he won the election. That's naive and illogical. As for comparing him to Bush: Personally, I think Bush was an incredible president and a great man. I think he had some failed policies and blunders too. But, he did the 1 thing he needed to do - protect America - and he did it damn well. He united Americans in a moment of fragility and we've been safe ever since. There have been numerous plots and potential attacks averted because he put focus on strengthening national security and brought the war on terror back onto their soil. He also spent a lot and really botched the financial meltdown at the end of his presidency. The bailouts were a disastrous decision. His administration had to handle a complete failure in Katrina, and that was an ugly situation all around. However, that was much more of a local/state failure than a Federal faiure. As for Obama being the better choice than his running mate - well that's speculation and unless you're a psychic, time traveler, or Miss Cleo you have no way of knowing if that's true. The important thing more than anything is that Obama is doing a bad job. There is no way to argue that he's not. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10568 Posts
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Phant
United States737 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On October 10 2010 12:51 Floophead_III wrote: Personally, I think Bush was an incredible president and a great man. =l... sanity please? On October 10 2010 13:18 phant wrote: Heh, the economic crisis isn't a result of Bush (despite all the bad stuff he did anyway). It is because of the greedy banks and their loans which started in the late 90s. And when were regulations loosened? There you go. On October 10 2010 12:47 Belegorm wrote: I was never for him, due to his views on abortion, the economy and healthcare and I still am not. You believe that YOU should be allowed to decide if a woman can get aborted and she shouldn't make that decision for herself? You think healthcare should be run like a business? And for the economy part I'll let that slip because it's just too easy x_x Most people's morals and ethics are formed by their religion. Most people's morals and ethics are NOT formed by their religion. If that were the case, it would be horrible. Lots of people would get stoned to death all the time, amongst many other horrible things. | ||
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
On October 10 2010 12:47 Belegorm wrote: It actually is pretty interesting how the Obamamania has died down. I was never for him, due to his views on abortion, the economy and healthcare and I still am not. MrBitter: So you're saying your religion has to stay in private, that it can't influence your views? Most people's morals and ethics are formed by their religion. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that using your religion as a platform is retarded. People shouldn't be elected because of their faith. They should be elected because of their ability to lead a country. | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
On October 10 2010 12:47 Belegorm wrote: Most people's morals and ethics are formed by their religion. Scandinavian countries are full of atheists and they have much lower crime rates and higher standards of life than the U.S., which is full of Christians. But more to the point of why it would matter for a candidate, can you understand why someone might feel uncomfortable with a President like Palin who might end up thinking like this?: - Jesus will save everyone before any sort of world-wrecking event would happen anyway, so no need to worry about silly stuff like biological weapons. - Half-life of 60 million years, you say? Haha, no way, the Earth's only 6,000 years old so that can't be true! Drop the nukes. - Israel went crazy and is slaughtering innocents? No no, we can't step in, they're God's chosen people! The Bible says so! - Worry about the environment? But Jesus gave us the Earth to do what we wish to, and besides he'll come back and save us before we run out of oil anyway, lol! | ||
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
1. He gets elected, and theres a lot of hype. 2. After 6 months, he hasn't done crap, people, ask for more time 3. A year or 2 pas, people start to get pissed 4. Relection time, people say give him more time 5. Regret 6. All over again | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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DeckOneBell
United States526 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Some people claim that Obama is all for showmanship; this may be true. But at least he still shows off better than Bush. In fact, I feel that the international reputation of US has improved since Obama was elected. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
I think it's rather pointless for people to join a political discussion to just say politics are useless and nothing ever changes, though. Not only is it completely wrong, it's just plain rude. If you don't care for the topic, don't join in. | ||
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blue_arrow
1971 Posts
The question of "is Obama a good president" will never have an answer that's good enough for the majority of American citizens. Unless some significant and shocking events take place (i.e. major terrorist attacks, sex scandals, national disasters), there are always going to be masses of people who think he's a giant fuckhead, and there are are always going to be people who thinks he's a divine god. Sadly, these kinds of strongly conflicting views exist throughout American society. All the in-fighting, mis-informed bickering, and general chest-beating are creating unnecessary divides amongst Americans. Sure, you could say that all this conflict is part of a modern democratic system, but when people fight to the point of tearing the system apart, you know things have gone too far." -- Anonymous reply | ||
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pubbanana
United States3063 Posts
On October 10 2010 13:38 Hinanawi wrote: Scandinavian countries are full of atheists and they have much lower crime rates and higher standards of life than the U.S., which is full of Christians. And Japan has absolutely no Christians and it's one of the safest countries on the planet while Brazil has the second highest proportion of Christians in the world and that place has horrific crime and social problems. Also, morals are not formed by religion, religion only gives you ethics. Ethics are a subjective interpretation of morals. Edit: This point has also been brought up a few times in various articles that I've read and since I'm a moron, I'd like to watch people here fight about it: Obama raised the taxes on the richest 2% percent of the population by, I believe, 3% and when Eisenhower was in office, it was raised to 90-something percent and things were fine. What is so radically different that we can't raise their taxes again?  | ||
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SkyTheUnknown
Germany2065 Posts
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Draconizard
628 Posts
On October 10 2010 12:47 Belegorm wrote: It actually is pretty interesting how the Obamamania has died down. I was never for him, due to his views on abortion, the economy and healthcare and I still am not. MrBitter: So you're saying your religion has to stay in private, that it can't influence your views? Most people's morals and ethics are formed by their religion. No, they are not. Only if you are a fundamentalist taking a literal reading of your chosen religious text (beware of translation/edition variances, though; better brush up on your ancient Hebrew) can you make that statement for yourself. If you are any other kind of theist, you pick and choose which religious commands to follow and which to discard. | ||
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alexpnd
Canada1857 Posts
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alexpnd
Canada1857 Posts
On October 10 2010 12:47 Belegorm wrote: It actually is pretty interesting how the Obamamania has died down. I was never for him, due to his views on abortion, the economy and healthcare and I still am not. MrBitter: So you're saying your religion has to stay in private, that it can't influence your views? Most people's morals and ethics are formed by their religion. Is that fact? Where are you sources? | ||
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Sabu113
United States11048 Posts
The democratic congress though still fails to inspire anyone and the Republicans... I can litterally call most of the modern republican positions wrong. People can have different values and thus there can be multiple valid opinions, but Republicans as a rule seem to be bereft of both facts and respect for scientific methodology. God help us if they actually believe the drivel they are passing off as economic policy. Morons. Obama has faced amazingly disciplined resistance by the Republican party aided by "moderate" dems. He made the mistake of compromising which meant that his bills were neither here nor there and weren't the best. The health care bill wasn't bold enough to include the necessary cost cutting. The greatness of our nation cannot be protect when Sarah Palin is considered a legitimate VP candidate. Obama isn't jesus, but if you give him a fair shake his policies are generally emminently reasonable and sensible. Right now I would say he's rather kennedyesque(not a compliment). This is the problem with Universal franchise: + Show Spoiler + On October 10 2010 09:15 Williowa wrote: You can't stimulate an economy by taking money from some people and giving it to others, not even if they are doing things we wouldn't normally pay people to do in a free market. Nor can health care costs be controlled by bringing them under the efficiency of government, because almost any business operates tighter then the government does. Never does a business say "if we don't use all the money, they will cut our budget". Obama is a horrible president, he will not keep the Bush tax cuts. He talked cap and trade when the economy was already uncertain. He also is spending billions upon billions of dollars that the government doesn't have to keep public sector union jobs in place. Even with all the extra spending, the latest unemployment numbers put government job losses way above the private sector. But hey, I'm with the crowd that says Obama is TRYING to destroy the country, not trying to do any good what so ever. About the only positive thing you can say, is if you are a public sector union employee, he is probably looking out for you. Yeah I wanted to gouge my eyes out after reading that too. Actually perhaps I can enlighten this poor soul. + Show Spoiler + 1) Read an economic text book. Provide a solution to the paradox of thrift. Reconcile claims that tax cuts have some multiplier effect with emperical evidence of the strength of other multipliers like public spending. No seriously. Get a basic understanding of economics. 2) That's a cute line you've got there about healthcare. Healthcare cost inflation has spiked dramatically in the past 30 years since the creation of for profit insurers, how would the market "fix itself"? Or I guess rather how much healthcare should americans have access to. Should we cut medicare and medicaid also while we're at it? Do we care about adverse selection and pre-existing conditions? 3) Do you care about the deficit or not? You clearly believe global warming is a fiction, so it's not point talking to you about Pigou and other such theories. 4) Public sector unions; You're not even going to give him credit for his education reforms? Try reading/watching something different from Fox. How about the Economist? | ||
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