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I just want to talk about my experience at today's lan in the washington DC area. First of all the obvious shoutouts to Gretorp for winning the tournament, Luckyfool for hosting another great lan, and even getting 2nd place after an epic epic series with lastshadow.
I did not participate myself in this tournament because I was tilting so hardcore around signups that I decided it wasn't in my best interest to play this time, we'll see how that works out in the next LAN.
I'm not sure how I want to format this blog, I think first of all I should summarize what had happened and what I did. Since I did not play in this tournament I helped out how I could by moderating the stream (standard) and updating the brackets and trying to post on team liquid as results came in. Tried to help out Torenhire, Luckyfool, and GenoZStriker setting up all the matches and results and attempting to piece things together, no joke, Torenhire and Geno are some of the heroes of this lan. I had fun watching over a few peoples shoulders, seeing how quick some of these players are is absolutely incredible. The series between LuckyFool and LastShadow is one of the best series I've seen yet where Luckyfool is a pretty big underdog but was able to come out ahead. Hopefully those replays will be put out because the Game 5 was truly incredible.
I learned a lot of things at this lan, the ability to run a smooth tournament is pretty difficult but I think that everything that could have been done under our control was done the right way, and nobody is to blame except Battle.net 2.shit
Time to make a big list of thanks and just general posts about everyone:
Luckyfool: Amazing games, your TvT is definitely one of the most underrated and just a really powerful matchup, hopefully you can pick up some new builds and work on all 3 matchups and get up there. Thanks for the amazing LAN, thanks for everything as always.
Torenhire: I met you once way back in May but I don't think I've seen you mroe than once or twice (at the most) ever since then, was great to be around you and see that you were able to run the tournament as smooth as can be, its pretty incredible we got through the whole tournament in such a timely fashion.
GenoZStriker: Dude I've been talking to you for a long time now on EG vent, I've always read articles on myeg.net and it was awesome to know that you lived in this area and that we were finally able to meet, you're a freaking awesome guy and really a true gem and service to the community.
LastShadow: I know that lastshadow might be one of the most polarizing figures in the TL/starcraft community, but unfortunately I think that nobody can really know what he's like til you've met him in person. I'll admit, I always thought of LS as the ex-hacker that has been banned permanently from teamliquid but what a shame that is, considering nowadays there are a lot of high level and professionally signed/contracted players that used to hack at one point. These guys are considered to have mended their ways after 1-2 years, and now they're openly allowed on teamliquid. LS is one fucking HELL of a player, and one hell of a skilled player. He's been to so many LAN's ever since he was caught for his bad deeds in the past, placed amazingly in many, and is just an overall nice guy. He was extremely friendly to everyone at the LAN, showed a hell of a lot of amazing play, and in my opinion needs to have been forgiven and have his permanent ban removed from TL, after a full 4 years of being punished. I was a skeptic of LS before but now I have so much respect for him it is incredible.
Caucasian: You've always been great to me, you've given me countless rides week after week ever since we met in May, you even helped out by driving my two CSL teammates back and forth to and from the LAN center and really, you've always been an awesome friend, hopefully I'll see you in 3 weekends.
Shiver: Was nice seeing you on SC2 again for once, you did an amazing job and it was pretty awesome to see you vs orb actually match up in the RO16 . The brackets couldn't have worked out any better.
Storr: I wore your Oz jacket wheeeeee <3
I am so thankful that I am in one of the best TL/SC communities in the US. The DC area truly is one of the best and most up and coming areas to live in, and it was great to meet old and new faces at this tournament. To have like 50 people play in the tournament and countless others come just to watch was really an awesome experience. Seriously, to anyone who lives in the Maryland, DC, northern virginia area you need to come out to events like this, we're all friendly (or most of us at least  ) and its always great games and good times. The prize pool for these tournaments will only get bigger and bigger each time, as we can hopefully get some sponsorships and larger prize pools along with the more entrants that come in to compete each LAN.
tl;dr version:
Luckyfool's lans are awesome
Toren/Geno are amazing administrators
Games were awesome
Lets get Lastshadow unbanned from TL, he deserves it, and he is an amazing guy.
Thanks again to everyone, see you all in 3 weeks at MLG DC. Say hi, let me take videos of you all in blogs and interviews etc. I'll be cheering hardcore for all my friends that I've met and all the friends I will meet at MLG.
Peace~
-Zlasher
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Zslasher =/= Slasher
:D it was great.
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I fell asleep, just like I was during the lan
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Nice blog,  Julyzerg.
So BM forgetting Nokarot and me.
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What was I gonna say about you  calling me julyzerg
I should just write Thanks to Sadistx for losing 22 scv's to a single psi storm, and thanks again to him for losing ~20 scvs but 15 of them on a single hellion strike.
Workers around the world shed tears when they heard about your games 
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On September 26 2010 14:08 ZlaSHeR wrote:
LastShadow: I know that lastshadow might be one of the most polarizing figures in the TL/starcraft community, but unfortunately I think that nobody can really know what he's like til you've met him in person. I'll admit, I always thought of LS as the ex-hacker that has been banned permanently from teamliquid but what a shame that is, considering nowadays there are a lot of high level and professionally signed/contracted players that used to hack at one point. These guys are considered to have mended their ways after 1-2 years, and now they're openly allowed on teamliquid. LS is one fucking HELL of a player, and one hell of a skilled player. He's been to so many LAN's ever since he was caught for his bad deeds in the past, placed amazingly in many, and is just an overall nice guy. He was extremely friendly to everyone at the LAN, showed a hell of a lot of amazing play, and in my opinion needs to have been forgiven and have his permanent ban removed from TL, after a full 4 years of being punished. I was a skeptic of LS before but now I have so much respect for him it is incredible.
Lets get Lastshadow unbanned from TL, he deserves it, and he is an amazing guy.
Just like to comment on the Lastshadow bit. He's definitely polarizing. I think the first time I heard of him (before the LANs) it was just like you described. He kinda seemed like he'd be the braggy uptight jerk type (no offense LS), I just kind of had a not-so-great image of him in my head.
I'll be damned, LastShadow is a great guy. He's a hell of a guy to hang with at the LANs. Really well-mannered, can be kind of intimidating when he gets in the "zone" when in a match, but I think alot of the heat against LS is just pre-judging. He's off the hacking bit, and he is still a really strong player. In both BW and SC2. I've watched him play a couple BOx over his shoulder and it's just ridiculous. I imagine seeing any really good player in person gives off a similar wow-factor, but I just think it's time to put the past in the past and give him another chance.
He's definitely one of the LAN favorites, he's not hard to get along with. It's not my call, anyhow, but hopefully a good portion of us can vouch for him and maybe something will happen. *shrug*
Thanks for the kudos, Z. I'm pretty sure we met waaaay before May, just I'm so infrequent you forgot me and then re-met me. Lol. Thanks for helping out, hopefully we can get another big one going in a few month. Mr Kim is more than happy to get us back in there, and that place is 187239567264983427639487x better than Seoul PC.
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So sad I couldn't come, sounds like it was really awesome though!!! Nice job Rob on 2nd! And yeah, LS is a lot different than most people think.
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Lol Suppy, someone (I think Storr or Chris) was talking about how this morning they were at the supermarket or something and saw your doppleganger haha
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Thanks so much for blogging about this Zlasher, not enough people blog about our events!
I hope everyone had an awesome time. <3 u all (except orb who was very unprofessional in his actions today, but I'll be addressing this in my own post)
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United States22883 Posts
Well mannered? Tell that to Silver.
On top of that he was caught rigging maps twice, cheated during WCG qualifiers and abused in TSL. No, I don't think I support giving him a sixth chance. You reap what you sow, and this is it.
Aside from that, nice write up.
EDIT: Also, I don't think he's particularly polarizing at all. 99.9% hate him, that's pretty strong unification if you ask me.
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and 99.95% haven't met him. And lets be serious, manners aren't the reasoning behind bans, otherwise there are quite a few people who wouldn't be on teamliquid, but just because they're large profile names they can get away with it, or even get featured as a stream for it. Also, there was another certain someone caused for cheating in WCG qualifiers this year, and there are people who were proven to abuse in TSL and were caught hacking that I won't name, but lets just say they are quite high profile names in the SC community.
Four years ago he was banned and four years he hasn't posted on TL. Were you as mature as you are now 4 years ago? Were you as mature at age 8 compared to age 12, or 12 to 16, or 16 to 20?
Fair enough though, I haven't been around here as long as many of you guys, maybe you wont award him his share, it is TL's admins and moderators decision to make and I understand the reasoning behind their decision to keep him banned, I'm just saying I HAVE met him. He is as highly skilled if not better than the other ex-hackers/abusers/cheaters that roam happily on team liquid just because they're on a pro team or were on a pro team.
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United States22883 Posts
Fair point, I just think the history is too long. I don't think the other cheaters that have been let back in had serially done it, and even then I think it's at least a year before they're allowed back in just for doing it once. Just so you know, I'm just speaking for myself, not the moderation staff on this.
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When I was 15 years old, I played some Dota and was one of THOSE guys, I played counterstrike where being BM is a requirement lol. LS hacked 4 years ago, he doesn't now, he's placed well in tournaments, he might have BM'd people before, maybe he still does now, hmm...I'm thinking of a few certain team liquid members (as in community members, not players) that are known for BM, he might have boosted in TSL, then maybe a TSL3/4 ban can be implemented, but I'm pretty sure he's learned a lot of lessons over the course of 4 years. TL is a rare community that I have found to be welcoming and allowing people the chance to repent, and some people might not learn their lesson after a 2 day, 3 day, 7 day, 14 day, month long ban, but its hard to argue that someone who has taken 4 years off the largest foreign starcraft community and still stuck around to read the news, read posts, watch streams, and place well in tournaments hasn't learned some sort of lesson, especially if its 4 years of the teenage years lol.
I guess that should be all about that though? :x
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While arguing my point likely won't change anyone's mind or decisions - Even the guys who abused the TSL ladders aren't banned forever. He's definitely a different person nowadays, he lost his BM, disrespectful attitude and he's a really swell guy. At multiple LANs he's proven that he doesn't need hacks to be a high level player anymore.
If folks mind are made up, though, there's no point in getting into it. I just feel like a permaban is too harsh on a guy who's as nice and helpful at LS has turned out to be. We talked about it today at the LAN, he's (obviously) not all that happy about it, but he never made any nasty comments about mods, or the people involved in banning him. All he really said about it was that it sucked that he was permanently banned when others have been given a chance to come back into the community after hacking/abusing. It's been four years, he's "grown up" so to speak.
My own 2c. I understand your reasons, Jibba, and it makes sense. Unbanning LS won't go back and undo what LS did by cheating. And I know it's not hard to say "He did it a bunch before, what's gonna stop him from doing it again?" but I just feel like he's not the type to go back to doing that. Cause and effect though. You reap what you sow is pretty much hitting the nail on the head. Was worth mentioning, at least.
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awesome thread i really like it everything that u say i agree ^^. i shoulda done something similar to this but im soo tired too xD hope to see you all at mlg!!!!
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God damn it, I'm so mad I couldn't go. I neeeeeeeed to get to some DC-area events/meetups!
Hope to see some of you guys in the future.
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Doesn't matter what he's like now, LS can't un-do what he did. Even if we don't actually believe he'll ever cheat again, that's not the point. He's burned his bridges here too many times.
Don't expect the ban to be lifted.
That said, I really wish I could have been there.
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Korea (South)11570 Posts
This was LS apology thread, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=63802
I for one respect LS way more than I did even 6 months ago. Meeting him, makes you really realize he's not the 14 year old kid he was 4 years ago.
I mean, shit, I used to hack when I was 13 or 14 years old on fastest maps and no rush 20 games all day. Got my CD key muted for it and everything.
Everyone fucks up when you're a young kid. I'm sure everyone has cheated at something when they're at that age.
He doesn't cheat anymore, he even went to Slog4[pG]'s house and played on ICCUP against B/A rank players to prove it. I respect Slog, and if he says he thinks LS is good, then i'll give LS credit. He isn't bad mannered at all, he's easy to get along with, and all of that shit.
If you want to look at other hackers that are now hugely respected members of the community, we can look at other players.
1) Elky/Smuft for hosting the WDT tournament, and not allowing the winner to go to Korea and try to be a pro gamer.
But Elky/Smuft grew up and are now apparently a fun group of guys to hang out with if you make it to Seoul or Vegas or wherever they are at the time.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=76779
2) TT1 for being the sole reason BrainClan (private Korean BW server) banned non-korean IP addresses for hacking on their server.
Now he has a featured stream, and a well respected player.
3) DinO hacking, then going to WCG and smashing people, and iNControl/Xeris says "yeah, he's good" and everyone forgives him. lol
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=70094¤tpage=5
4) Testie - old time hacker, famous for hacking. He was actually caught hacking not once, not twice, but three times. Admits to it, and was still invited to rS, ToT, and Nal teams despite his reputation of being a previous hacker.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=10047
5) Haypro & Selector, both players were banned from Templars of Twilight ( ToT ) because of hacking against Strelok in a Qcup match. Now Haypro is a part of Team Liquid in Korea.
http://www.mymym.com/en/news/11548.html
There's many more people like this, who the community has hated for a while, and after they prove themselves they are allowed back in.
I think even Semih or TAD[nnilf] should be allowed back into the community if they clean up their act a ton, and prove that they have matured.
In my eyes LastShadow has at least.
Everything besides the LS Drama, I had fun at the tournament. Played a game on orbs account in a random custom game (made him think I was playing ladder LOL JAKE!) Learned a ton about Starcraft 2, nuked StorrZergs army, ate chipotle for the first time in years, and many other fun times.
Hopefully I'll see you all soon again!
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United States22883 Posts
He cheated in WCG and TSL after making that thread. ;o For me, that's where he reaches unredeemable territory.
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Yay, nice blog post!
I also had a great time. There were times when the nerd rage in the room was intense, but overall I think everyone got along great! I saw lots of new people, and even though I'm horrid with names, I'm glad I got to meet a bunch of you!
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On September 26 2010 16:25 EvilTeletubby wrote:Doesn't matter what he's like now, LS can't un-do what he did. Even if we don't actually believe he'll ever cheat again, that's not the point. He's burned his bridges here too many times. Don't expect the ban to be lifted. That said, I really wish I could have been there.
You haven't shown up to way too many LAN events around DC, ETT. You can't undo what you did. Even if we believe that you'll actually show up again in the future, that's not the point. You've burned your bridges too many times.
Don't expect to come to the DC meetups.
See how fun this is? ^^
Tbh it doesn't really matter whether he stays banned or not, there are many ways to contact him and he can still read TL to show up at lans.
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Chris - piggybacking off what Jibba said, it's not so much the fact that cheated and 'reformed', because as you say yourself, we've had plenty of examples of other people who fit that bill and are generally accepted members of the community. It was more about the way he conducted himself, played everyone for a fool AFTER multiple chances to reform, and just the amount of ridiculous drama surrounding everything that has been associated with him.
That's my personal take on it. I haven't met him irl yet, maybe he's a nice guy, maybe he really has matured a lot and come a long way, good for him if he has. Doesn't mean the whole of TL will be forgiving though.
And SadistX - ^_^, except I don't ditch you guys out of malicious intent, just real life stuff combined with bad timing. For what it's worth, my wife actually really wants to come to the next meet just to meet everyone.
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Was an amazing LAN! I hope maybe next time we can adopt a format that allows bo3 in the group stages (2-day LAN?!??!), because I super choked on some of my games However, given time constraints, I'm cool with the way things played out in the end.
Having little to no information on Lastshadows history (and frankly, not caring) I can say that he seems like a really nice guy and gives off a good first impression to those who've never met or heard of him before. That's about all I can say on the topic- I'll leave the real debate to those who are more knowledgeable about the situation.
Hope to see you all at MLG, though! DC fighting!
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On September 27 2010 03:42 EvilTeletubby wrote:Chris - piggybacking off what Jibba said, it's not so much the fact that cheated and 'reformed', because as you say yourself, we've had plenty of examples of other people who fit that bill and are generally accepted members of the community. It was more about the way he conducted himself, played everyone for a fool AFTER multiple chances to reform, and just the amount of ridiculous drama surrounding everything that has been associated with him. That's my personal take on it. I haven't met him irl yet, maybe he's a nice guy, maybe he really has matured a lot and come a long way, good for him if he has. Doesn't mean the whole of TL will be forgiving though. And SadistX - ^_^, except I don't ditch you guys out of malicious intent, just real life stuff combined with bad timing. For what it's worth, my wife actually really wants to come to the next meet just to meet everyone.
>:O How do we know its actually NOT real life stuff and you're dodging!!!!
I guess another thing that bothers me is how much ill-will is left for him in situations like, for example Kennigit and Brood saying that TL shouldn't be used to boost his SC2 career. When we regularly praise players like testie for messing around on SC2, Upmagic for the same, TT1 for signing on a pro team, I heard Haypro was an ex-cheater and look what team he's on. Other plays who have been accused of hacking or have hacked online, and never shown up to a LAN event in their life to perform. The list sorta can go on and on.
LS cheated and we don't like him, he's a great player but lets blacklist him.
Haypro cheated and we like him, lets sign him onto the most famous foreign team in the world and pay him $$$
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Just a question. Was the IPP from yesterday the same person who cast Ragequit.tv? Because his voice seemed very similar.
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I only met IPP really briefly so I don't remember at all lol
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Yes, Geno. that is Ipp from our LAN
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United States11390 Posts
That wasn't even sincere.
A little bit after he made that thread, he changed his sig to something, "rofl too easy..."
That shows the mark of a total douche who should never be allowed back after lying and playing with the hearts of the community. You can't ever trust someone like that.
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That was almost 3 years ago, though What's the difference between giving him another chance and inviting him to make a smurf account? (in regards to the closing post in the apology thread)
If he made a smurf account, became a highly respected and contributing poster and his identity was eventually revealed, would the administration be more inclined to accept him?
I ask because I feel like, by reading the posts of those "in the know," his reputation has a kind of stigma attached to it that no person should be forced to live through. 3 years is long time to hold a grudge, wherein I almost feel more sorry for the individuals who are still irate at the sight of his name moreso than I feel sorry for lastshadow, himself.
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I think the worst part about it is that everyone is trying to take a baseball bat to his burgeoning starcraft 2 career, doing whatever it takes to make sure he doesn't succeed, which is just a pretty messed up thing to do.
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On September 27 2010 05:49 Harem wrote:That wasn't even sincere. A little bit after he made that thread, he changed his sig to something, "rofl too easy..." That shows the mark of a total douche who should never be allowed back after lying and playing with the hearts of the community. You can't ever trust someone like that.
He was 15 at the time.
I can honestly say that the overwhelming majority of males in high school can be classified as douchebags at that age (~15-18) and have tendencies toward destructive behavior, and it would not be a lie.
It's unfortunate that he chose to channel his hormones into brood war, but to single him out like that is hypocrisy at best.
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
On September 27 2010 08:00 ZlaSHeR wrote:
I think the worst part about it is that everyone is trying to take a baseball bat to his burgeoning starcraft 2 career, doing whatever it takes to make sure he doesn't succeed, which is just a pretty messed up thing to do.
You make it sound like people are actively going after him. We simply don't want him posting here is all.
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Hmm, that is true. But if we won't allow him to post, are we still allowed to post interviews of him, mention him in tournaments, etc.? lol. Is he banned from all TL Opens and those events too? Keep in mind everything he did was multiple years ago and in BW, you'd think with the release of SC2 would come some sort of ability to allow the best players to compete.
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
There is an official policy regarding punishment for people who've cheated in TL events (created AFTER the whole LS drama) floating around. To be honest, we've had former cheaters participate in events - usually they will contact us regarding their intentions, how they've changed, etc. and we take it on a case-by-case basis on whether or not to allow someone to participate again. To my (limited) knowledge, LS has never reached out to TL regarding this.
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I see. Yeah I asked him yesterday if he would sign up for the TL Open but he said he was banned and couldn't sign up. Then I saw the interview of him-thread which was closed and one of the admins stated to not start up threads about cheaters, and not to help make them popular or anything =\
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so I wrote up a massive post on my opinion about lastshadow and then realized my opinion probably doesn't matter at all, TL has given him his chances in the past and he's blown it. So I deleted the post and went away. And then realized I still needed to share my first "meeting" lastshadow story and my opinion on lastshadow anyway, regardless of if it matters or not.
The details of this are only known to three people, lastshadow, me, and an undisclosed tl member. It happened during a TL lan in DC in October of last year.
Before the lan though, like a week or two before, one afternoon right before I'm going to class my cell phone rings from an unknown number from rhode island. "Who do I know from rhode island?" I wondered as I answered the phone fully expecting a wrong number.
"Hello?"
"Hi rob? This is Nick aka lastshadow"
"uhhhhhh....what the..."
"haha this is lastshadow I got your number from joshua who's signed up to come to the october lan in a few weeks. I'm coming with him!"
here I'm like whoawhoawhoa wtfz is this srsly happening did lastshadow really just call me? before this phone conversation I had talked to lastshadow almost never. The only things I knew about him were the usual things an average TL member would know. That he's used rigged maps, he's hacked, that he once drove hours to slogs house to prove that he didn't hack only to promptly lose literally every game and leave the place in tears. That he's abused in TSL and has been super bm in tournaments. And that he takes vicious walkovers in wcg.
as all of this was running through my mind I'm just sitting there in stunned silence as he continues:
"I had a question, does the place allow to bring your own monitor? Cuz I was talking to Conan (superiorwolf) the other day and he said that lan center used some widescreen monitors."
"uhhhhhh yeah I guess....."
"ok great see you in a couple weeks then, I gotta sleep now so I can wake up to train during korean hours with my progamer friends."
as soon as I hung up I'm like wtf was that. Later I realized that phone convo was in perfect lastshadow style. The trademark lastshadow style of playing broodwar was a harassing surprising style. I'm like wow this kid lives his life like he plays the game, randomass surprising phone calls out of nowhere...ROFL. After I had some time to think about it I was questioning and debating with myself on even allowing him to participate in the first place but after talking to a few people (I can't mention them by name here) and considered he had recently attended a lan in new england with no problems and had been "clean" for essentially the past 3 years I didn't block him from coming. I do remember trying to text something like "Dude you're crazy" but he had called me originally from a land line (I didn't know) so it left a message on the answering machine and he called me back:
"Did you try to call me?"
and I was like god why does it feel so fkin weird to talk to lastshadow
"No I thought that was a cell number so I texted something."
So anyway after the crazyass phone convos he comes to the lan. Literally as he's walking into the lan center an undisclosed person who was in attendance for the lan as well says something along the lines of: "Hey I know you, your lastshadow I hear you were a huge cheater and hacker and abused to get A- is that true?" in a condescending/judgmental way. Lastshadow was obviously taken aback by this and was like "uhhh." didn't really respond and didn't really talk much to anyone the rest of the day. Sitting away from most people and just playing his games. Alot of people at the lan were also more interested in D level iccup antics than the tournament finals between louder and lastshadow which was not very respectful to the players and I remember it was annoying to me. I loved watching lastshadow play. He was such a fast and good/smart player. I talked to lastshadow, helped him figure out pc problems (I think his mouse cord was too short so I gave him an extra usb extension cable I happened to bring with me that day) and tried to generally be as welcoming as I could. The person I met that day was not a cheating hacking abusing devil that the majority of TL had told me. the person I met there was an ultra competitve highly skilled user who acted professionally all day, after losing to louder going to louder congratulating him, (even after losing to DT's in the last game, even I might not have done that) graciously accepting second place and thanking me for running the tournament.
That was the beginning of a very positive relationship that I've personally had with lastshadow still to this day obviously. Shortly after that I added lastshadow on facebook and got to know him a bit better. Realized he had a fairly difficult upbringing and was a fairly typical young adult with an obvious strange side. (Aren't we all strange in some ways? Isn't that what makes us all unique?) He came to another broodwar lan in July where he played very well, knocking out semih in semifinals. Immediately after beating semih he tried to approach semih who wouldn't even acknowledge him. He then lost to superiorwolf and was obviously crushed but also congratulated superiorwolf who was the champion.
He also obviously played in my tournament yesterday. And lost to me in the semifinals, where he also gg'd with a "well played" added on at the conclusion of game 5 (a pretty amazing best of 5 to be honest) hung around after and was very open in talking with everyone and totally respectful.
All I can say now is after personally getting to know lastshadow over the past year, how he treats himself during tournaments and live events that he attends is totally classy and that's how I ultimately judge him. I can't speak on behalf of his past or mistakes he's made or what TL thinks of him. Or how bm he might get during tournaments or what he says when loses big games online. He is simply an extremely competitive and dedicated individual who I am personally glad to have met. I personally consider him a very good friend of mine and he's always invited to tournaments and events that I organize. I will of course root for him in tournaments he plays in and support him but the majority I'm sure will not because of preconceived notions and years old history.
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Definitely couldn't have put it any better than that.
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Yeah he's a very awesome person. I could see his top placing at MLG, atleast a part of it XD. But he's really good. Definitely a force to be recon with.
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by the way my rep pack:
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included the semi finals and finals as well as ro16 and ro8 games forgot to save most of my group games
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Great post, and I will back the entire LastShadow thing he is a great player and really nice person. Sure he has had his moments, but then again who hasn't? There was a time when a 1v1 was accidentally started as 2v2, which leads to "fixed" spawn locations. LastShadow was next to me watching the game and broke out a joke like: "omg map fixing, we have lastshadow in the game". I haven't laughed that hard in a long time, great guy. He also isn't afraid to not play as Terran; he whooped my ass as Zerg even after I landed a few nukes and wiped his army and a base! That takes some seriously good mechanics.
Oh and how about we show Gretorp some love? Very high level player and didn't really treat anyone as just a scrub. Also, I'm pretty sure it was his Birthday and he drove at least 4 hours to play SC2 at a LAN; now that is dedication.
Lastly everyone at that LAN was amazing; without a doubt the best LAN event I have been to.
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That deserves a separate blog entry in itself, Rob
Nick's definitely a very dedicated individual with a passion for SC and if he finally picks a goddamn race, he's gonna go far imo ^^
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On September 27 2010 13:25 Ipp wrote:
Great post, and I will back the entire LastShadow thing he is a great player and really nice person. Sure he has had his moments, but then again who hasn't? There was a time when a 1v1 was accidentally started as 2v2, which leads to "fixed" spawn locations. LastShadow was next to me watching the game and broke out a joke like: "omg map fixing, we have lastshadow in the game". I haven't laughed that hard in a long time, great guy. He also isn't afraid to not play as Terran; he whooped my ass as Zerg even after I landed a few nukes and wiped his army and a base! That takes some seriously good mechanics.
Oh and how about we show Gretorp some love? Very high level player and didn't really treat anyone as just a scrub. Also, I'm pretty sure it was his Birthday and he drove at least 4 hours to play SC2 at a LAN; now that is dedication.
Lastly everyone at that LAN was amazing; without a doubt the best LAN event I have been to.
i was the one who was hacking spawn locations btw (even though i did not host the map lol)
and yeah LS good guy at the lan, nothing bm about him during his play or durring the lan. If you had questions he would answer as well.
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I think thats one thing I loved about LS is that he'll just talk to you, he'll shake your hand and be your friend, he's very knowledgeable about what he does and is just a really good guy.
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On September 27 2010 13:25 Ipp wrote:
Oh and how about we show Gretorp some love? Very high level player and didn't really treat anyone as just a scrub. Also, I'm pretty sure it was his Birthday and he drove at least 4 hours to play SC2 at a LAN; now that is dedication.
Gretorp is Gretorp, therefore every post is love for Gretorp by default.
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On September 27 2010 04:55 ZlaSHeR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2010 03:42 EvilTeletubby wrote:Chris - piggybacking off what Jibba said, it's not so much the fact that cheated and 'reformed', because as you say yourself, we've had plenty of examples of other people who fit that bill and are generally accepted members of the community. It was more about the way he conducted himself, played everyone for a fool AFTER multiple chances to reform, and just the amount of ridiculous drama surrounding everything that has been associated with him. That's my personal take on it. I haven't met him irl yet, maybe he's a nice guy, maybe he really has matured a lot and come a long way, good for him if he has. Doesn't mean the whole of TL will be forgiving though. And SadistX - ^_^, except I don't ditch you guys out of malicious intent, just real life stuff combined with bad timing. For what it's worth, my wife actually really wants to come to the next meet just to meet everyone. Haypro cheated and we like him, lets sign him onto the most famous foreign team in the world and pay him $$$
Haypro's situation is completely different to that of Lastshadow's. He improperly used the Oblivion hack only once and there were no other instances of him using the hack anywhere else. He took the ban from the scene and has come back stronger than he was before.
Lastshadow, however, was a repeat offender.
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only posting this because its my understanding o.o but
ls' rigged maps were never used competitively, they were just used in practice, not cw's, not leagues, not ladders, all the rules on both gg.net/tl.net seem to only be against cheaters using them competitively (yes i know he basically got his name out there by using them, and beat many top players doing so, and basically deceiving them).
after that there was the wcg incident, in which LS admitted to nesh shortly afterwards and him/nesh became friendly(dunno how long xd) but these both happened within the same year LS was still being a faggot (he was 14? or just turned 15?)
and iirc his TSL incident, he didn't abuse, he shared an IP with his friend corey(moonrai), who did have kawaii give him free wins, i remember reading the posts or whatever, and it was that kawaii gave moonrai freewins, and LS/Moonrai had shared IP's.
his apology was years ago, and many people told him to prove it with actions not words (especially since when even i read that apology, i thought it was bullshit, and just because he was caught, and probably, it was bullshit, because of his age, and being so worried/anxious about everythiing).
so he cheated in wcg/rigged maps non-competitively. he never hacked, he was proven clean several times with the flag method, iccup admins releasing hacker names, and constantly providing replay packs at the end of every season.
he's played in a dozen+ lans in the past two years, and constantly done extremely well, and been extremely gm/outgoing. he even helped me in bw, as well as many other players, giving them games etc.
testie hacked how many times?
trek hacked how many times?
did g5 also abuse tsl vs mistrzzz?
what about all the REAL tsl2 abusers? the ones that actually tried to steal a very large sum of money from people, by abusing? none of them get anywhere near the same level of shit LS did.
he's admitted to all his faults, mistakes, and purely being an idiot. he even said at the lan when people brought up his past "yeah but i was still a fucking douchebag and bm on top of the cheating here and there."
many people advocate for him, because he's one of the very few top players that constantly help out newbies and give them advice/let them obs his games.
any other player who would have constantly had doors closed on them, and opportunities taken away, as much as LS has, probably would've quit, and yet here he is, still pushing through the flame and shit, to show he's different.
just my two cents o.o
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Yeah, I guess in the end it comes down to the fact that, from what all the admins/mods have seen it is completely unfeasable to reallow LS back into team liquid, but to us to have met him we might feel a bit differently.
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ls helped me practice for TSL2 under a smurf for several weeks before telling me
but u really dont need to unban him cuz kamul will just post everything for him anyway
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haha I remember that. good old isildur. He told me not to tell you it was him.
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On September 28 2010 09:03 KawaiiRice wrote:
ls helped me practice for TSL2 under a smurf for several weeks before telling me
but u really dont need to unban him cuz kamul will just post everything for him anyway
eah posting is one thing and Kamul has been warned for letting LS posting under his account... but as long as LS is banned, he will be unable to play in tl events. I'm in no position to unban him, but as far as him as a player in all the tournaments, he is a very competitive person and well mannered like Luckyfool said.
(btw kawaii see you at mlg soon! yes? )
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On September 28 2010 09:03 KawaiiRice wrote:
ls helped me practice for TSL2 under a smurf for several weeks before telling me
but u really dont need to unban him cuz kamul will just post everything for him anyway
Not anymore lol!
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Reason: LastShadow's puppet account. Previously warned and clearly doesn't give a fuck.
Hmm, didn't see LS post on it, looked pretty obviously like Isai posting but i guess they traced IPs or whatever?
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Kamul has been posting for lastshadow for the past year. All through the wcg thread and elsewhere.
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On September 28 2010 12:53 ZlaSHeR wrote:Show nested quote +Reason: LastShadow's puppet account. Previously warned and clearly doesn't give a fuck. Hmm, didn't see LS post on it, looked pretty obviously like Isai posting but i guess they traced IPs or whatever?
they live in the same house.
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Oh ok, that explains it, oh well =\ guess thats done for
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I first met Lastshadow at that LAN long ago where LS, orb, slogg, and I think a few others crashed at my place.
I'll admit that my first impression of him was that he was a spoiled, arrogant little shit of a person. After the weekend was over, my opinion had changed little. That's been my prejudice from day one, but he's been surprising me lately.
He seems quite different now though. He's pretty chill, a fantastic SC2 player, and generally just friendly to everyone. He's also totally open about his past, which is quite redeeming. I think he's changed, as he seems genuinely nice these days. Personally I'd say let him back, but I understand that TL has too much history that I never really read up on, so what do I know.
Anyways, a great LAN overall! Whoooo!
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