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Manner is not an adjective

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Redunzl
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
862 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-16 15:16:48
September 16 2010 12:52 GMT
#1
Erroneous "manner" usage has taken on an almost meme-like rampancy and must be stopped. EDIT: just letting ya know.. feel free to prolong the meme.
"Manner" is a noun and not an adjective.
Stop using it to predicate subjects as if it were an adjective.

erroneous examples
"so-and-so is a great player and really manner too!"
"what a manner move"
"he's a bad terran but always really manner"

Manner simply refers to "a way of doing something".


"The manner in which he controls his Colossus is far superior to all others."

By qualifying with "well" or "bad" we can transform the noun "manner" into a descriptive adjective" thusly:

"The well-mannered host made sure to abide each and everyone of his guests' wishes.

N.B.
The word itself does not carry any qualities of its own (e.g. well mannered or bad mannered).

Even in a sentence such as "He is a mannered player" (where the word is used correctly in a grammatical sense) you still have not actually told us anything about his manner but just that he has a "way of doing things" which ought to be quite obvious in the first place.

+ Show Spoiler [Daigomi's appendix] +
On September 16 2010 22:53 Daigomi wrote:
Haha, this annoys me so much too :p I don't mind it so much when people leave out the qualifier, since you could argue that it's a case of omission: "He is a mannered player" simply omits the "well," which is fine if it is generally accepted that mannered means well mannered. I'm fairly sure there are examples of this in standard English but I can't think of any right now.

What does annoy me is when it is used in its noun form, "He is such a good manner player" or "Idra is really bad manner." If "bad mannered" sounds awkward, just use the abbreviation "Idra is really BM."

Also, I don't like the language evolves argument. There's a difference between language evolving and ignoring the egregrious misuse of language. I mean, we can all start talking about "should of" if we wanted to, but it wouldn't make it correct. Furthermore, it doesn't make logical sense. Talking about a "manner player" is like talking about a "discipline monk" or an "arm criminal," grammatically it's awkward and the change is pointless.

If I thought that it was simply a form of slang it would probably not bother me, but I doubt that everyone who uses it incorrectly knows the correct use. All in all, it just feels like a really unnecessary change that achieves nothing except making the sentence sound incorrect.




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deth
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia1757 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-16 12:56:55
September 16 2010 12:56 GMT
#2
W ho cares ? srsly, we can make up words and use dem in relation to starcraft itself, I don't see a problem with using "manner" as an adjective,

im pretty manner guy too
ToeJam
Profile Joined April 2009
United States282 Posts
September 16 2010 12:57 GMT
#3
That is how we, as a community, use it. Deal with it or gtfo.
Andtwo
Profile Joined June 2009
United States126 Posts
September 16 2010 12:59 GMT
#4
Even though these posts aren't very manner, I have to agree. There's just been a slight generalization/shift in category from noun to adj, it happens.
SkytoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Austria1137 Posts
September 16 2010 13:01 GMT
#5
manner up ~~

Bisu... ;-(
Yizuo
Profile Joined December 2004
Germany1537 Posts
September 16 2010 13:03 GMT
#6
I strongly agree with the OP, the way "manner" is used nowadays sound so stupid...
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
September 16 2010 13:04 GMT
#7
This blog isn't very manner.
Redunzl
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
862 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-16 13:07:38
September 16 2010 13:05 GMT
#8
On September 16 2010 21:56 deth wrote:
W ho cares ? srsly, we can make up words and use dem in relation to starcraft itself, I don't see a problem with using "manner" as an adjective,

im pretty manner guy too


Well, obviously I care and you do not. We know that much you tomfool.
I made this post for all the non-native speakers of English. They hear casters and read posts with erroneous language. I simply made this for them to let them know that while its fun to jump on the band wagon and talk like everyone else it is nonetheless wrong.
Rhyme
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1069 Posts
September 16 2010 13:05 GMT
#9
not very manner of you to shit on the starcraft dialect, was it?
dont ever say that
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
September 16 2010 13:06 GMT
#10
BM, dude. srs
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scottyyy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom796 Posts
September 16 2010 13:07 GMT
#11
Everyone knows this but it's a fun adjective to use amongst the starcraft community. It's not a big deal whatsoever.
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
September 16 2010 13:10 GMT
#12
On September 16 2010 22:07 scottyyy wrote:
Everyone knows this but it's a fun adjective to use amongst the starcraft community. It's not a big deal whatsoever.


exactly. even if it is a nightmare for non english speaking users they need to manner up and get with the program.

the context will almost always determine if the word means "Bad mannered" (or bad manners) or "Good mannered" (good manners) when used as an adjective.
ToeJam
Profile Joined April 2009
United States282 Posts
September 16 2010 13:12 GMT
#13
I think you made this post to change the way people speak not just to tell non native speakers it is incorrect lol It's ok you did it in a manner way
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-16 13:13:22
September 16 2010 13:12 GMT
#14
language evolves you know? that's really all that needs to be said.
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Wohmfg
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1292 Posts
September 16 2010 13:13 GMT
#15
On September 16 2010 22:05 chrisSquire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2010 21:56 deth wrote:
W ho cares ? srsly, we can make up words and use dem in relation to starcraft itself, I don't see a problem with using "manner" as an adjective,

im pretty manner guy too


Well, obviously I care and you do not. We know that much you tomfool.
I made this post for all the non-native speakers of English. They hear casters and read posts with erroneous language. I simply made this for them to let them know that while its fun to jump on the band wagon and talk like everyone else it is nonetheless wrong.


It's not erroneous usage though. Language changes.
BW4Life!
vlaric
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States412 Posts
September 16 2010 13:13 GMT
#16
When I used to play only on Battle.net, I remember reading first seeing manner used by Koreans in their game names (it would be written in hangeul). In my mind, I had always thought that the Koreans had come up with the term so it wasn't very surprising to me that it wasn't proper English, and I accepted it for what it was.

Wannabe zerg player
fly.stat
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States449 Posts
September 16 2010 13:13 GMT
#17
On September 16 2010 21:52 chrisSquire wrote:
Erroneous "manner" usage has taken on an almost meme-like rampancy and must be stopped.


This statement makes the situation seem so dire, when actually it's just something the community has done for years. We're not all morons, it's part of the lingo.

Until I write you again, take care of your precious person.
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4843 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-16 13:16:22
September 16 2010 13:15 GMT
#18
"should of" is 10 times more annoying , stop that first please!

and the good old "your" vs "you're"
Complete the cycle!
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
September 16 2010 13:15 GMT
#19
It's a community adopted term, haha... What's wrong with it?

There's always posts like this and it's quite odd to me really. It's as if people think language hasn't changed or evolved since the day it was created. It's not like we all go around saying things like 'noob' and 'manner' and 'roflstomp' thinking that it's in a damn english textbook somewhere... We understand, but we still use it because it's a universally understood form of slang.
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LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-16 13:19:08
September 16 2010 13:18 GMT
#20
If language never evolved we'd all be speaking some sort of ancient prehistoric grunting language from the early years of B.C.E.

that being said I wouldn't want to have to learn english through the teamliquid forums. (news articles are well written but the overall TL poster is quite a grammatical noob or does not take the time/effort to post in good english, I know I don't)

oh and it's quite fun when you meetup with TL users or other people from the community to use these words in these ways. :D
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