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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
I dare you to do the Stove build. I DARE YOU! lol | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
On September 08 2010 22:25 iNfeRnaL wrote: I definitely won't cheese him that's for sure. Even if I somehow won I would feel like a fucking moron doing so. Always disliked to cheese myself, honestly. It can be art - but I'm neither Terran nor Boxer. Cheese it man. You know you can't beat him in a straight up game. At least provide him a challenge. | ||
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
On September 09 2010 01:47 orgolove wrote: Cheese it man. You know you can't beat him in a straight up game. At least provide him a challenge. I'm pretty sure he won't win either way, especially against Flash's map hacks. Not to be a downer.  | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
Think about it. If you lose to him standard how many times do you think he's donked on an A- foreigner standard? | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
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GrayArea
United States872 Posts
On September 09 2010 02:52 LuckyFool wrote: don't listen to these noobs pat, play standard. do what gives u the best chance to win. Playing standard vs Flash will LOWER his chances. By preparing a cheese, he will significantly be improving his chances to win. | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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G5
United States2913 Posts
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EsX_Raptor
United States2802 Posts
! [G] How to Beat Flash Players Introduction First of all, let me start by saying that this is one of the hardest match-ups you'll ever encounter. A good Flash player has a free, infinite-energy comsat station that scans the entire map, by itself, every 4 seconds or so without replay nor observer detection. Because of this, cheese builds are out of the equation. A good Flash player will send his scouting SCV just for harrassment purposes and to fool the enemy into thinking he hasn't reached that level of autonomous, infinite comsat. A good Flash player will always counter your build regardless of what you do. Proxy Gate rush him and he will kill your Gates and Pylon with 500 hp SCVs with no economical disadvantage (as these mine 20 minerals per trip) and proceed to kill you right there and then if he so wishes. Go up on a standard macro game against a Flash player and you will lose to his 200/200 3-3-3 (yes, that's an extra 3) army by 10 minutes into the game off of one base. With this said and kept in mind, let's proceed to our guide and try to capitalize on the disadvantages in Flash player's playstyles these days. Scouting Do not bother scouting a Flash player. Save that peon instead to gain the most minerals you can. Do not let a Flash player have an economical edge on you even though he will have quadruple of your economy by 2 seconds into the game. Here's a good formula for calculating a Flash player's mineral count at any given time x (in seconds) into the game: ![[image loading]](http://i51.tinypic.com/fci80.jpg) A Flash player will always open with 14CC. Do not 4 Pool, BBS, or proxy Gate a Flash, just take it like a man and keep playing as if nothing ever happened. Do not show hesitation to a Flash player or you will miss your Pylon at 8, 100% of the times and he will leave your base with a 10 kill SCV. Your goal for the early-early game is to save as many peons as you can and one building against a Flash player's scouting SCV, including Overlords. Build-Order A build-order is not neccessary. Thus, there is no point in discussing one. Your goal is not to achieve something by means of a build order. Whereas Protosses early expand, produce fast Corsairs and DTs and harrass a Zerg player to keep him in a multitasking/defensive mindset, and whereas terrans fast expand and mass up to 6 Factories for a timing push against a double expanding Protoss player, you on the other hand, need not do these things. Your build-order against a Flash player will only focus in one thing: Survival. vF is the only match-up in which a build's most important characteristic is building placement: Hide your buildings, spread them all over the map, make one behind a tree or float one to a corner. Your goal is to save as many buildings as you can from a Flash's scouting SCV in the early game. Defense If by any miracle you can tell a Flash player is about to attack you, pull all your peons (all of them) to your ramp and put your entire army behind them. Pray you survive the first harrassing/scouting push. If you do, keep your peons there, do not send them back to minerals. Instead, start building them from scratch again in your main. It is of utmost importance you don't forget this. It is also very important that you cover the entirety of your base's edge with Turrets/Spores/Cannons and make two rows of these. Note that this will only help you defend the first push at 3 minutes into the game so you need to cut peons and mass up an army afterwards. If a Flash player decides to attack you with his main army, press enter, press g twice, press enter again, then do alt + q, q. This is the best strategy so far against an attacking Flash as it will not let his army ever get to your base. This will, however, put you 1 game behind as a consequence. Offense N/A Late Game A vF lategame hasn't been reached as of today. Humanity still has no knowledge in this area. However, we assume and theorycraft that it should be based around a Flash player being AFK and good building placement by its opponent. Conclusion Flash players are a worthy opponent indeed. The balance of the MU is so perfect that it is out of vF games that we draw our inspiration to create better and better games along with revolutionary builds, strategies and tactics. As my last words, I can only wish you good luck in this match-up and hope that someday soon, we will be having a replay on our hands, in which we finally, after more than a decade of fighting, sweat, blood and tears, killed a Flash player's scouting SCV. Have fun! + Show Spoiler + iNfeRnaL fighting! <3 | ||
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
On September 09 2010 06:58 EsX_Raptor wrote: ! [G] How to Beat Flash Players Offense N/A lol | ||
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FlopTurnReaver
Switzerland1980 Posts
That means the tournament stage will start with Ro8? Looks like WCG is cutting back in BW  | ||
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Gann1
United States1575 Posts
bring lots of lube. | ||
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mucker
United States1120 Posts
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numLoCK
Canada1416 Posts
Flash has nothing on you. | ||
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ZavikZyke
United States382 Posts
My advice is just have the time of your life out there. | ||
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Never.Die
Japan189 Posts
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
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