• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:18
CEST 15:18
KST 22:18
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 20257Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202577RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18
Community News
Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced24BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed19Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8
StarCraft 2
General
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 2025 #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time I offer completely free coaching services What tournaments are world championships?
Tourneys
FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event Esports World Cup 2025 $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced $5,000 WardiTV Summer Championship 2025 WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava
Brood War
General
Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced [Update] ShieldBattery: 2025 Redesign Dewalt's Show Matches in China BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China CSL Xiamen International Invitational [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers [G] Mineral Boosting Does 1 second matter in StarCraft?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Eight Anniversary as a TL…
Mizenhauer
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 669 users

I'm scared for Flash - Page 2

Blogs > qzmpwxno
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
DatTheMighty
Profile Joined March 2009
Vietnam122 Posts
September 06 2010 03:07 GMT
#21
On September 06 2010 12:02 Sigh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 11:59 cascades wrote:
More worried for Jaedong to be honest. Terran is the cheeser race, not Zerg. Remember the 14CC cheese Jaedong wasn't prepared for? That ended the series real quick.

Although Jaedong won a 2nd game with ling bust, he doesn't do it enough. Not enough times for Flash to 14CC all over again. Jaedong trusts too much in his macro, but you can't outmacro a terran.

Especially when that terran is Flash...


Actually he woulda succeeded if flash didn't do some quite dirty timing pushes off of 14 cc TWICE. Flash management is quite over rated, what makes him win so many lategames is his decision making and defense IMO.
Shaoling
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden344 Posts
September 06 2010 03:07 GMT
#22
Im a jaedong fan, and im concerned that his selfconfidence is alittle bit shot recently. He's lost the all the finals against flash in a quite layover fashion. Sure one game here and there. But the games that flash won were almost all decisive wins.

And i think that Flash's prediction ability makes him a really tough opponent in the mindgames, Ie youre not going to outsmart flash. He'll just respond accordingly and turtle and then flip you over.

So, what Jaedong needs to do to win, is exploit flash's tendency to go for greedy openings. Or force him to play standard (His goliath/MnM and vult/MnM push builds is the opposite). Because i believe Jaedongs biggest and most unprecedented skill is his comebacks. I mean in the Bo5 against light, that game where light had the biggest advantage in like forever, i was just thinking "oh noo dongy! you gonna loose!" But then he flipped out some lurker harass, delayed and got defilers. all while macroing and taking more bases. Then BAM! he had the advantage.

We have also seen him take out Fantasy when he was kneedeep in his mech builds, jaedong figured it out. and took him out. But can he do it to Flash? I dont know.

PS. i dont know how the hell you can be a FlaSh fan, i mean the guy just wins. There's never any thrill or uphill battles. FlaSh is the evil last boss, Jaedong is Rocky.
www.feelingcontemptuous.com - My music website [Dubstep/Electro/House]
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
September 06 2010 03:08 GMT
#23
Well, I'll just go there and call out the elephant in the room. Flash is Terran, Jaedong is Zerg. I'm not scared for flas
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
Trap
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States395 Posts
September 06 2010 03:12 GMT
#24
Well I'm always afraid for Flash when he plays Jaedong, but like other people have said, after two losses to Flash in a row and then a very weak showing against Stork, I'm less concerned for Flash now.

Mostly I'm excited for what Flash will do on Dreamliner, especially if he spawns at the dreaded 6. Since Flash has already said that he thinks Dreamliner is hard, I think JD will do a 12 pool to counter a BBS, so I'm hoping for some clever pre-muta allin from Flash. The older 11/13 style? Rine/SCV allin? I want to see the cheddar terran in action.
coffeetoss | "Team Liquid Fantasy Proleague: Tales of Miserable Failure and Deep Regret" -Kanil
DatTheMighty
Profile Joined March 2009
Vietnam122 Posts
September 06 2010 03:12 GMT
#25
Post bacchus flash disagrees with you. Overworked and knockouts from lesser players season after season. Most painful memory would be his game vs GGplay. Literally "OH MY FUCKING GOD I CAN"T BELIEVE THAT". He would come out with a bang in the beginning of the season, winning streaks would be like 10+ only to phail in all 3 major leagues within hours apart. He only had himself to blame though, cocky attitude doesn't bode well in a competitive environment. Hes only dominating recently and fulfilling his potential everyone knew he had after bachus after changing his mindset.
Tekin
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2711 Posts
September 06 2010 03:14 GMT
#26
If flash wins this OSL I doubt that he will go to a big slump like what happen to Best and if he doesn't I shall curse him with a 1 year slump then.
Cheers! //¯◡◡¯\\ 문채원 | 한지우 -___-
Loser777
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
1931 Posts
September 06 2010 03:17 GMT
#27
"Flash is a methodical player who cannot handle change blah blah blah" is a ridiculous statement. Players have had more than enough time to "figure him out" since he started dominating in 2009...
6581
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
September 06 2010 03:38 GMT
#28
I'm as big a JD fan as any, but I think JD is a significant underdog vs Flash right now. Though it would make for a much more entertaining series if JD won.
splcer
Profile Joined October 2009
United States166 Posts
September 06 2010 03:40 GMT
#29
I just want flash to win two SL's simultaneously Im not sure that Flash will beat jaedong but i think that flash is better
That which grows fast, whithers as rapidly. That which grows slowly, endures
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
September 06 2010 03:43 GMT
#30
On September 06 2010 12:17 Loser777 wrote:
"Flash is a methodical player who cannot handle change blah blah blah" is a ridiculous statement. Players have had more than enough time to "figure him out" since he started dominating in 2009...


Yea, I don't get this. More than anything this year he's shown how amazing he is at all styles of the game, and how much he can switch it up. Harass heavy TvT (vs Sea) to dropship oriented TvT (vs Fantasy) to mass wraith TvT (vs Leta), etc etc he can pull it off. He's ridiculous at turtling (as witnessed vs Zero), yet whenever he wants to he can play aggresively just as well (series vs Free). In the winners interview he said he felt like playing aggressive just to show people that he can lol
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-06 03:53:54
September 06 2010 03:53 GMT
#31
On September 06 2010 12:07 Desutroyah wrote:

PS. i dont know how the hell you can be a FlaSh fan, i mean the guy just wins. There's never any thrill or uphill battles. FlaSh is the evil last boss, Jaedong is Rocky.


Flash has more amazing comeback games than anyone I can think of. The guy is a prodigy in crisis management and decision making. It's more represented in his games vs T and P than vs Z, though, because against zergs it seems he either finds a way to completely embarrass them or embarrass himself.

Jaedong has more comeback series because he is a prodigy of mental fortitude.
Remember Violet.
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
September 06 2010 03:59 GMT
#32
On September 06 2010 11:59 cascades wrote:
More worried for Jaedong to be honest. Terran is the cheeser race, not Zerg. Remember the 14CC cheese Jaedong wasn't prepared for? That ended the series real quick.

Although Jaedong won a 2nd game with ling bust, he doesn't do it enough. Not enough times for Flash to 14CC all over again. Jaedong trusts too much in his macro, but you can't outmacro a terran.

You can't outmacro a Terran that goes 14CC maybe. Jaedong proved that he's fully capable of beating Flash in a macro game when they go for standard openings (like the game on Fighting Spirit). I actually think Light's standard bio TvZ is better than Flash's (his game on Fighting Spirit against Jaedong was sublime).
Savant
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States379 Posts
September 06 2010 04:02 GMT
#33
It's all going to come down to how godlike Flash's starsense will be on that day. I think he has a slight edge in a standard game if he doesn't A) let games go in early game and B) get caught off guard by sneak expansions or tech. He's lost in early game once in both of his last 2 bo5's, and which is a sign he might lose more if Jaedong decides to test him with more early ling builds. I've always thought flash's scouting is his only "weakness"... I think it's well worth it for him to time his scouting much earlier (say at 9/10), and also to continuously check on expos during his games. An informed Flash is an unbeatable Flash.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
September 06 2010 04:05 GMT
#34
Flash has his groove back, its a good thing you're scared for him because I can guarantee he's not afraid of JD at this point.
Follow me: www.twitter.com/zlasher
shieldbreak
Profile Joined February 2010
United States406 Posts
September 06 2010 04:11 GMT
#35
Time for the Tyrant to take over! Jaedong fighting!
Many a sleepless nights were spent doing absolutely nothing.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
September 06 2010 04:13 GMT
#36
Jaedong and Flash are both going to "lay their lives on the line" for this match.

It will make a fine final... final.

+ Show Spoiler +
For me!
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
regerstreen
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada57 Posts
September 06 2010 04:26 GMT
#37
I'm terribly scared for Jaedong at this point. I'm already in the process of accepting that flash is simply better than jaedong and their supposed rivalry is nothing more than a hype.
If jaedong fails to take this one then at least to me he will always be below flash.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
September 06 2010 05:04 GMT
#38
I want to see more decent length, non-14 cc games on balanced maps before calling either the better player. JD's game 3 on fighting spirit was really impressive.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Marl
Profile Joined January 2010
United States692 Posts
September 06 2010 06:02 GMT
#39
Flash is my least favorite player.
Jaedong was my favorite player.

I don't care about their rivalry anymore. Flash is the best BW player and there is no one around who can challenge him, despite his painfully uninspiring style. BW is dead to me.
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5724 Posts
September 06 2010 06:46 GMT
#40
flash is too good now. he's gonna win this osl

i predict that some outside-of-game factor (power outage, crowd hack, etc) will affect the games.
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
FEL
09:00
Cracow 2025
Clem vs Krystianer
uThermal vs SKillousLIVE!
Reynor vs MaNa
Lambo vs Gerald
ComeBackTV 1509
RotterdaM1453
IndyStarCraft 471
WardiTV226
CranKy Ducklings186
Rex123
3DClanTV 92
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 1453
IndyStarCraft 471
Rex 123
BRAT_OK 76
ProTech67
MindelVK 30
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 51640
Horang2 7519
Hyuk 2479
EffOrt 1704
Barracks 1083
Larva 813
BeSt 769
firebathero 500
Stork 444
Hyun 367
[ Show more ]
Soulkey 292
Last 275
Rush 196
Dewaltoss 72
Sharp 64
Movie 62
Free 59
sas.Sziky 51
Shine 49
sorry 48
Shinee 41
Sea.KH 39
sSak 38
zelot 24
ajuk12(nOOB) 14
yabsab 13
Terrorterran 9
Dota 2
qojqva3728
XcaliburYe512
Gorgc418
League of Legends
febbydoto15
Counter-Strike
sgares266
oskar199
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor368
Other Games
B2W.Neo1856
Beastyqt889
Hui .325
DeMusliM235
Fuzer 165
QueenE54
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV12
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH312
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3988
• WagamamaTV900
League of Legends
• Nemesis2492
• Jankos1283
Upcoming Events
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
42m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4h 42m
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 20h
WardiTV European League
2 days
Online Event
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Non-Korean Championship
BSL 20 Team Wars
FEL Cracov 2025
CC Div. A S7
Underdog Cup #2
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.