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DatTheMighty
Profile Joined March 2009
Vietnam122 Posts
September 06 2010 03:07 GMT
#21
On September 06 2010 12:02 Sigh wrote:
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On September 06 2010 11:59 cascades wrote:
More worried for Jaedong to be honest. Terran is the cheeser race, not Zerg. Remember the 14CC cheese Jaedong wasn't prepared for? That ended the series real quick.

Although Jaedong won a 2nd game with ling bust, he doesn't do it enough. Not enough times for Flash to 14CC all over again. Jaedong trusts too much in his macro, but you can't outmacro a terran.

Especially when that terran is Flash...


Actually he woulda succeeded if flash didn't do some quite dirty timing pushes off of 14 cc TWICE. Flash management is quite over rated, what makes him win so many lategames is his decision making and defense IMO.
Shaoling
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden344 Posts
September 06 2010 03:07 GMT
#22
Im a jaedong fan, and im concerned that his selfconfidence is alittle bit shot recently. He's lost the all the finals against flash in a quite layover fashion. Sure one game here and there. But the games that flash won were almost all decisive wins.

And i think that Flash's prediction ability makes him a really tough opponent in the mindgames, Ie youre not going to outsmart flash. He'll just respond accordingly and turtle and then flip you over.

So, what Jaedong needs to do to win, is exploit flash's tendency to go for greedy openings. Or force him to play standard (His goliath/MnM and vult/MnM push builds is the opposite). Because i believe Jaedongs biggest and most unprecedented skill is his comebacks. I mean in the Bo5 against light, that game where light had the biggest advantage in like forever, i was just thinking "oh noo dongy! you gonna loose!" But then he flipped out some lurker harass, delayed and got defilers. all while macroing and taking more bases. Then BAM! he had the advantage.

We have also seen him take out Fantasy when he was kneedeep in his mech builds, jaedong figured it out. and took him out. But can he do it to Flash? I dont know.

PS. i dont know how the hell you can be a FlaSh fan, i mean the guy just wins. There's never any thrill or uphill battles. FlaSh is the evil last boss, Jaedong is Rocky.
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SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
September 06 2010 03:08 GMT
#23
Well, I'll just go there and call out the elephant in the room. Flash is Terran, Jaedong is Zerg. I'm not scared for flas
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
Trap
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States395 Posts
September 06 2010 03:12 GMT
#24
Well I'm always afraid for Flash when he plays Jaedong, but like other people have said, after two losses to Flash in a row and then a very weak showing against Stork, I'm less concerned for Flash now.

Mostly I'm excited for what Flash will do on Dreamliner, especially if he spawns at the dreaded 6. Since Flash has already said that he thinks Dreamliner is hard, I think JD will do a 12 pool to counter a BBS, so I'm hoping for some clever pre-muta allin from Flash. The older 11/13 style? Rine/SCV allin? I want to see the cheddar terran in action.
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DatTheMighty
Profile Joined March 2009
Vietnam122 Posts
September 06 2010 03:12 GMT
#25
Post bacchus flash disagrees with you. Overworked and knockouts from lesser players season after season. Most painful memory would be his game vs GGplay. Literally "OH MY FUCKING GOD I CAN"T BELIEVE THAT". He would come out with a bang in the beginning of the season, winning streaks would be like 10+ only to phail in all 3 major leagues within hours apart. He only had himself to blame though, cocky attitude doesn't bode well in a competitive environment. Hes only dominating recently and fulfilling his potential everyone knew he had after bachus after changing his mindset.
Tekin
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2711 Posts
September 06 2010 03:14 GMT
#26
If flash wins this OSL I doubt that he will go to a big slump like what happen to Best and if he doesn't I shall curse him with a 1 year slump then.
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Loser777
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
1931 Posts
September 06 2010 03:17 GMT
#27
"Flash is a methodical player who cannot handle change blah blah blah" is a ridiculous statement. Players have had more than enough time to "figure him out" since he started dominating in 2009...
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Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
September 06 2010 03:38 GMT
#28
I'm as big a JD fan as any, but I think JD is a significant underdog vs Flash right now. Though it would make for a much more entertaining series if JD won.
splcer
Profile Joined October 2009
United States166 Posts
September 06 2010 03:40 GMT
#29
I just want flash to win two SL's simultaneously Im not sure that Flash will beat jaedong but i think that flash is better
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SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
September 06 2010 03:43 GMT
#30
On September 06 2010 12:17 Loser777 wrote:
"Flash is a methodical player who cannot handle change blah blah blah" is a ridiculous statement. Players have had more than enough time to "figure him out" since he started dominating in 2009...


Yea, I don't get this. More than anything this year he's shown how amazing he is at all styles of the game, and how much he can switch it up. Harass heavy TvT (vs Sea) to dropship oriented TvT (vs Fantasy) to mass wraith TvT (vs Leta), etc etc he can pull it off. He's ridiculous at turtling (as witnessed vs Zero), yet whenever he wants to he can play aggresively just as well (series vs Free). In the winners interview he said he felt like playing aggressive just to show people that he can lol
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-06 03:53:54
September 06 2010 03:53 GMT
#31
On September 06 2010 12:07 Desutroyah wrote:

PS. i dont know how the hell you can be a FlaSh fan, i mean the guy just wins. There's never any thrill or uphill battles. FlaSh is the evil last boss, Jaedong is Rocky.


Flash has more amazing comeback games than anyone I can think of. The guy is a prodigy in crisis management and decision making. It's more represented in his games vs T and P than vs Z, though, because against zergs it seems he either finds a way to completely embarrass them or embarrass himself.

Jaedong has more comeback series because he is a prodigy of mental fortitude.
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DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
September 06 2010 03:59 GMT
#32
On September 06 2010 11:59 cascades wrote:
More worried for Jaedong to be honest. Terran is the cheeser race, not Zerg. Remember the 14CC cheese Jaedong wasn't prepared for? That ended the series real quick.

Although Jaedong won a 2nd game with ling bust, he doesn't do it enough. Not enough times for Flash to 14CC all over again. Jaedong trusts too much in his macro, but you can't outmacro a terran.

You can't outmacro a Terran that goes 14CC maybe. Jaedong proved that he's fully capable of beating Flash in a macro game when they go for standard openings (like the game on Fighting Spirit). I actually think Light's standard bio TvZ is better than Flash's (his game on Fighting Spirit against Jaedong was sublime).
Savant
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States379 Posts
September 06 2010 04:02 GMT
#33
It's all going to come down to how godlike Flash's starsense will be on that day. I think he has a slight edge in a standard game if he doesn't A) let games go in early game and B) get caught off guard by sneak expansions or tech. He's lost in early game once in both of his last 2 bo5's, and which is a sign he might lose more if Jaedong decides to test him with more early ling builds. I've always thought flash's scouting is his only "weakness"... I think it's well worth it for him to time his scouting much earlier (say at 9/10), and also to continuously check on expos during his games. An informed Flash is an unbeatable Flash.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
September 06 2010 04:05 GMT
#34
Flash has his groove back, its a good thing you're scared for him because I can guarantee he's not afraid of JD at this point.
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shieldbreak
Profile Joined February 2010
United States406 Posts
September 06 2010 04:11 GMT
#35
Time for the Tyrant to take over! Jaedong fighting!
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
September 06 2010 04:13 GMT
#36
Jaedong and Flash are both going to "lay their lives on the line" for this match.

It will make a fine final... final.

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regerstreen
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada57 Posts
September 06 2010 04:26 GMT
#37
I'm terribly scared for Jaedong at this point. I'm already in the process of accepting that flash is simply better than jaedong and their supposed rivalry is nothing more than a hype.
If jaedong fails to take this one then at least to me he will always be below flash.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
September 06 2010 05:04 GMT
#38
I want to see more decent length, non-14 cc games on balanced maps before calling either the better player. JD's game 3 on fighting spirit was really impressive.
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Marl
Profile Joined January 2010
United States694 Posts
September 06 2010 06:02 GMT
#39
Flash is my least favorite player.
Jaedong was my favorite player.

I don't care about their rivalry anymore. Flash is the best BW player and there is no one around who can challenge him, despite his painfully uninspiring style. BW is dead to me.
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
September 06 2010 06:46 GMT
#40
flash is too good now. he's gonna win this osl

i predict that some outside-of-game factor (power outage, crowd hack, etc) will affect the games.
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