• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 15:28
CET 21:28
KST 05:28
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)4Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win3
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4) BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Tenacious Turtle Tussle StarCraft2.fi 15th Anniversary Cup RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14! StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress Mutation # 500 Fright night
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [BSL21] RO8 Bracket & Prediction Contest Let's talk about Metropolis Foreign Brood War
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO16 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates Current Meta Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
How Sleep Deprivation Affect…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1658 users

Week summaries (may contain some events spoilers)

Blogs > NB
Post a Reply
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
August 28 2010 12:44 GMT
#1
1/ MSL final:

Flash is clearly switching to sc2 with 2 bases all in pushes.
Joking. But clearly what he used was rushing 1 units and upgrades early and push. There is no way Jeadong can hold that off as he was trying to play a macro game :<... Does it reminds you of something? yes! TvP in sc2 with 2 stim shell upgrades mm 1 base push...zzzzz

2/CSL:

lots of people think that adding 2v2 instead of ace match will help the normal schools, I think they misunderstood the problem. Clearly removing ace match was a WISE decision and their reason are acceptable but 2v2 in sc2 is the whole new concept. With map balance and the sharing resources + control system, there are thousand way you can abuse the game in 2v2 and win. I dont say 2v2 is stupid but clearly, its a total different game when you compare it to 1v1. Not even counting terran with the mule mechanics + resources sharing will rock your day in 2v2. There gota be someway else we can settle this without using 2v2 and ace but to be honest, i rather choose ace over 2v2.

3/PvZ:interesting how the inflow recruitment has lots of P and Z which give me quite a chance to take a look at the current state of PvZ.
As a Protoss player, i have to say 1 base vsZ is totally stupid. your gates way units will melt under speedlings and spine crawlers as Z getting their 3rd when you push out.
Forge FE is showing more and more potential day by day. With a decent knowledge about "relative" timing and a good building placement, you can rebel any sort of early pressure Z throw at you. Z most likely will tech to muta OR nydus.
from here, to counter nydus, get a probe and set it on patrol around your base while build pylons around the place. This will force Z to get mutas which can easily be countered by stalkers and "non-stop-phoenixes-production". Yes, you heard me!
now What i did was 9 pylon at wall and 12 gate 14 forge (14 gate if 1 scout an expo early). now depend on how early you have to fence off the first wave of lings, you can get away with our without the 2nd gate b4 cyber at the wall. the earlier the cyber, the better. btw, just to be clear, i wont tell you nexus/cannon timing since its mostly depend on scout. once you get cyber, get 2 gas asap for stargate tech. phoenixes are cheap and provide fast scouting, by the time his 1st wave of muta came you should have at least 4 stalkers 2 phoenixes already.

that was what i was doing on ladder before i play vs gerbil, a member of my school's csl team. He has a speacial loves for roaches. well, i lost to him 1-2 but im quite sure i fenced off his roaches push well enough using VR once i scouted them with my initial zealots. also keep that in mind that stalkers are good vs roaches.

conclusion: FE in PvZ is totally nice and safe. You push by getting upgrades from forge most likely.

4/ New Patch and PvT:

as you know they gona nerf zealots build time and WRAP GATE CD .... god, how the...
to explain this, we have to understand that Tanks, are no longers the problem vs any race. in fact, most of the time these days we only see tanks in TvT. Marauder is the all-time unit. Why? bc it has stim and deal HUGE damage vs armor. And what is armor? building! other than Terran who can lift their bases, P and Z struggling with drop marauders sniping off their building while they CANT do anything about it. Making marauder as T is something i called "guarantee damage" which mean no matter how you use it, each of them will always pay for their cost. what is the good encounter to marauder as P? NOTTHING! what ever you get, they just gona stim and run away from you! VR -> run. immo -> run. colossi + HT -> stim and snipe!

now dont get me wrong, i love PvT more than i like PvZ but i cant imagine how to win vs a T playing perfectly. If T play perfectly, i believe no Protoss can win vs them what so ever.

5/ PvP:
have anyone told you charge lots > colossi? No, its always the opposite right? colossi even deal bonus vs light. So what happened in the game i played vs Combat-Ex today? he has like 5 colossi with range + about 10 or more stalkers pushing in while im attacking his force with 2 phoenixes, thousand charge lots and 2 immo? I won! reason? i got +2 attack when that happen.
Yes, upgrades turns out to be really good in PvP especially when you are zealots heavy. Zealots are cheap, with a delayed 2nd gas, you can get 1000 of them early on without problem. Zealots with upgrades are much better than stalkers with upgrades since their attack speed are much faster so in 1 minutes, the bonus damage came out from the zealots are much more than from stalkers. So what counter zealots? NOTHING! except Voidrays but what to worry when you already has like 3 phoenixes in the air with your excessive gas by going zealots? :D
I wont upload the replay between me vs Combat-Ex but its a pretty fun game where i tricked him that i am 2 gates zealots rush and 4 gating to put him in defensive position while sneaking an expo myself. he got himself quite a number of colossi and push out but i stopped him with great upgrade timing.
Folks, start getting the forge early and delay your 2nd gas as protoss. Get your 2nd gas at 24-26 or smthing, its good for both PvT and PvP.

6/Life: looking for a room for rent next semester :<... so far so bad. The CS waiting list is not working out so i will end up taking 4 courses next term OR 4 good courses + 1 suck course. Listening to some K-pop, light music, anime "light" ost and Kentor's Zelda OST.... FU kentor
Hope things go well so i can relax and play my games :<... Life is Hard ><.

*
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 15h 32m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
White-Ra 141
BRAT_OK 91
JuggernautJason56
Railgan 47
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 20262
Bisu 951
Dewaltoss 139
Hyun 114
Dota 2
Gorgc6137
Dendi1135
420jenkins244
Counter-Strike
fl0m6038
zeus412
minikerr17
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu321
Other Games
Grubby4649
ToD182
ArmadaUGS167
Fuzer 137
C9.Mang0111
Trikslyr90
QueenE89
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV103
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 35
• musti20045 16
• Reevou 1
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix23
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2707
• WagamamaTV487
League of Legends
• TFBlade1130
Other Games
• imaqtpie2849
• Shiphtur143
Upcoming Events
WardiTV 2025
15h 32m
Big Brain Bouts
20h 32m
RSL Revival
1d 8h
StarCraft2.fi
1d 13h
IPSL
1d 20h
Sziky vs JDConan
OSC
1d 20h
Solar vs Percival
Gerald vs Nicoract
Creator vs ByuN
RSL Revival
2 days
Classic vs TBD
herO vs Zoun
WardiTV 2025
2 days
IPSL
2 days
Tarson vs DragOn
Wardi Open
3 days
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS3
RSL Revival: Season 3
Kuram Kup

Ongoing

IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
RSL Offline Finals
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.