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Let me preface this by saying I have the UTMOST respect for day9, I've watched the hell out of his dailies and loved when he would do old casts (like the TSL, showmatches etc).
But I think the most surprising this about the tournament so far is the casting.
You'd think anything with day9 would be amazing, but it really hasn't been. More and more I've found myself just not even listening to them halfway through matches. Especially since day9 sounds like he lost his voice, they didn't have much excitement during today's matches (although the matches themselves were fantastic).
Not to hate on them at all, I just had high expectations and I feel like they're really not doing much more than your average youtube / ustream caster. It'd be fine for casual streaming but when they're put on a pedestal like that, it's not very good to be just ok anymore in my opinion.
Maybe day9 + d.apollo don't have the right chemistry or aren't used to each other enough for it to work well, but they definitely step on each others toes a lot during the matches.
And I know this is going to sound horrible, but I don't get what d.apollo is adding to the cast. He doesn't seem to have the extensive game knowledge, and he's not a fan favorite for casting as far as I've heard.
Thinking about the whole thing has also made me wonder... Where the hell is Tasteless!? I thought he would be everywhere now with sc2 and it hasn't happened yet. This tourney has given me a new appreciation for his ability to be exciting, insightful, and fun to listen to day after day for so many matches.
 
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I always though of Day9 of more of a strategic analysis commentator rather than a super-exciting shoutcaster, he is THE BEST in that category, and hasnt d.apollo only been playing sc for a year or so?
Tasteless is going to be working with GOM isn't he? He just had a knee surgery so obviously he couldn't participate in IEM, although I dont think he intended to anyways.
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I would disagree with you and that I think Day9 Apollo combo is doing great.
But, on the subject of Tasteless, I guess he's busy with the GSL?
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I hope we get to see a Day9 and Tasteless combo at BlizzCon at least. :D That's be fucking brilliant.
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Well it's probably a lot easier for tasteless to get excited and be an awesome commentator because he was the first person commentating korean masters playing a decade old game called brood war that was fascinating to spectate.
idk why you care so much tho. These dudes are commentating games for you, games that you wanted to watch, who gives a fuck if they aren't passionate enough, lets just watch the banelings explode and psi storms etc.
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The plott brothers would be the best commentating duo imo. Day9 is the best caster when it comes to strategical analysis, while tasteless is the best at generating excitement and increasing the entertainment level.
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My only beef with the commentating is appolo
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I personally enjoy the commentary, appolo has a cool excitement to him almost childish you could say, and day9 is relaxed and enjoying himself. All good to me.
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I like d.apollo's voice and enthusiasm but the stuff he's saying I find I disagree with a lot.
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I'd assume Tasteless has a contract with GOMtv and can't do other events like IEM. I might be wrong.
Day9 and Apollo have done a pretty good job overall I think. Main issues I've had with them are the oooohs and aahhhhs along with the pitch drop in their voices which are redundant and of course the interrupting of each other.
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On August 22 2010 07:35 KawaiiRice wrote:
I like d.apollo's voice and enthusiasm
And his dreamy accent <3
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I think the Day9 TV shows are better than the livecasting, but the announcing is still pretty good imo. The one thing about English RTS announcing I've noticed so far is that I've yet to hear a duo that has really GREAT chemistry, although most duos have perfectly okay chemistry. That's probably because chemistry comes with time, and there are few commentating duos in E-sports that have been allowed to get to know each other for years.
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Day9 says everything there is to say, Dappollo can therefore only state useless things, and DAy9 always seems to talk over Dapollo when any battle occurs. I think its just chemistry, Day9 on his own is amazing and whenever he casts with Chill they both become really awesome and hilarious ("Chill, is your mic broken? I didn't hear you laughing at my joke so I assumed something was wrong") 
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On August 22 2010 07:48 SubtleArt wrote:Day9 says everything there is to say, Dappollo can therefore only state useless things, and DAy9 always seems to talk over Dapollo when any battle occurs. I think its just chemistry, Day9 on his own is amazing and whenever he casts with Chill they both become really awesome and hilarious ("Chill, is your mic broken? I didn't hear you laughing at my joke so I assumed something was wrong")
Funny you mention the Day9+Chill casting combo, I was just rewatching some of the TSL2 vods and remarked at the chemistry between them.
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I think Day9 is fantastic, in his own right. He has the experience to offer fantastic insight. He knows how to explain things to more casual viewers as well as adds a twist of humor to things that would otherwise be written off as normal.
I did have a problem with the other caster though, not to say he's completely horrible.. he just felt lost. Like a little kid poking and ooh'ing at shiny lights, and didn't play the game.
Aside from that personal opinion, they had little to no chemistry the first few days and Day9 had to struggle to get anything in between Apollo's endless mundane bantering.
Pretty harsh and biased, but obviously just my opinion  Maybe more experience between the two will offer a better experience.
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I really think d.appollo is very bad. Half the time he is tripping over his own words and doesnt seem to be aware of what he is saying. day[9] + Husky and HD would be a lot better
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On August 22 2010 07:53 ProFail wrote:
I really think d.appollo is very bad. Half the time he is tripping over his own words and doesnt seem to be aware of what he is saying. day[9] + Husky and HD would be a lot better
Oh no you di-int.
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On August 22 2010 07:53 ProFail wrote:
I really think d.appollo is very bad. Half the time he is tripping over his own words and doesnt seem to be aware of what he is saying. day[9] + Husky and HD would be a lot better
while this is true, to be honest apollo brought up more interesting points and "in depth" analysis than day 9, at least in todays matches. and it seemed as though both commentators were a bit off today... especially at the beginning lolz.
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I get bored of listening even to professional sports casters
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I think both day9 and apollo are great casters, but they would be better individually rather than co-casting. They are both able to commentate an entire game from start to end on their own, but their styles really don't complement each other very well. In terms of co-casting, I think Chill is the best caster to cast with another person.
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Seans good for color commentary, need a good play-by-play man just like any sport. Tasteless is the obvious one that fits both bills, but d'apollo has been commentating for closer to 0 time than otherwise.
It's why JP McDaniel and Day9 do well together, complementary.
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A day[9] and tasteless combo would be awesome! Bro casters 4 life!
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Chill + Day9 commentating duo is pretty much the only way to go. Maybe add Tasteless too, then you've got the Strategic Analysis commentator, the awesome Support commentator and the Excitement/Color commentator
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On August 22 2010 07:39 Waxangel wrote:
I think the Day9 TV shows are better than the livecasting, but the announcing is still pretty good imo. The one thing about English RTS announcing I've noticed so far is that I've yet to hear a duo that has really GREAT chemistry, although most duos have perfectly okay chemistry. That's probably because chemistry comes with time, and there are few commentating duos in E-sports that have been allowed to get to know each other for years.
Also, it is difficult to build chemistry online as most duos need to do.
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On August 22 2010 09:13 ArvickHero wrote:
Chill + Day9 commentating duo is pretty much the only way to go. Maybe add Tasteless too, then you've got the Strategic Analysis commentator, the awesome Support commentator and the Excitement/Color commentator
Chill + Day9 is probably the best english commentary duo. I'm don't think 3 casters is better than 2 though. Too many cooks, etc.
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I agree that none of the two commentators have been delivering to best grades so far in the tournament, but guess what: Commentating tournaments in front of a live audience is a skill that needs to be trained just as anything else.
Sean is in his total comfort zone when doing his daily videos in his own room being fully rested and composed. He can for example stop a second and have a sip of water to think through what he is going to say next, which is a luxury you dont get at a tournament. Now he is at the venue at the other side of the world with people buzzing him all day, and it is just going to be noticeable that he is under a certain amount of stress.
Other than that, have Apollo and Day9 ever casted together before? Working together is also a thing that comes with practise.
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Apollo's game analysis obviously seems weak compared to that of Day9.
Day9 is just amazing at constantly keeping cool and professional and along with that come amazing game analysis.
Would have loved to se an Artosis by Day9's side (or chill or his bro ofc - but let's keep it realistic^^), but it is what it is, and imo they're doing so much better than most of the stuff out there.
While Apollo would be horrible as a solo commentator, having someone like day9 by his side also makes his amazing charisma shine through, which makes it live up to my expectations.
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On August 22 2010 07:29 Tabbris wrote:
My only beef with the commentating is appolo
Agreed. Constantly talking over Day9 or in the background. Then again, I'm inclined to take Day9's side because he does awesome dailies and maybe he's the one talking over Appolo.
Casters really need to figure out who is calling the play by play and who is doing colour and stick to their roles.
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REally? I found apollo to be very good. He called like all of the builds and anticipated what each player was going for almost every time. He has a very good understanding of the game, he just needs to slow down a bit IMO.
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d.apollo is not a very polished caster, as compared to day9. He's improved quite a bit since the beginning of the IEM, but he just isn't impressive.
There a few casters on iccup and youtube (surprising?) who I think have better game knowledge and flow than apollo.
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Let's be serious .... the best casters are tasteless + artosis ... imo day9 is more of a cheerleader :p
"Everyone in the house let's hear it for XXX ... .yayyy" .. lol
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