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boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
July 13 2010 22:26 GMT
#21
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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
July 13 2010 22:34 GMT
#22
On July 14 2010 06:01 tonight wrote:
I've been grilling him about it since I found out yesterday. Well, not grilling, but trying to find out what possible reason he'd have for not wanting to press charges. I thought maybe he hit that chick in the face after she hit him, but he said he didn't. He also said she was the first to throw a punch and after that he was jumped. Said he got in as many shots as he could before he blacked out. My brother is 24 also incase anyone was wondering.


Probably an honor thing.

Tell him to stop being selfish. Not reporting this shit and not having them face the consequences opens the window for this to happen to other people. If he has the proper opportunity to get these bastards, he should take it. There's no honor had in letting a group of asshats walk away like that.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 13 2010 22:40 GMT
#23
My advice is don't listen to sltorak.hobo, do what you feel is right. If you think your brother is mature enough to make his own decision then you should respect it. On the other hand you have every right to feel protective and want to press charges.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
July 13 2010 22:48 GMT
#24
On July 14 2010 06:30 SLTorak.Hobo wrote:
I wont argue or nothing, but honestly all the cops will do in most cases is slap them on the wrist unless they have an extensive record already. Especially since there is 3-4 of them its easy to make up a story about how your brother started it ect, unless there is cameras or eye witnesses I have heard of people having these types of cases backfire on them really easily or they drop the charges because its a waste of time. Good luck though.


read the OP, he states that there ARE cameras

tonight, just keep trying to convince your brother to go to the cops. There's no real reason not to unless he's hiding something about how it actually all went down.
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tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
July 13 2010 22:55 GMT
#25
He's a grown man. Grown enough to where he knows the pros and cons of his choices, but I really want him to see for himself the negative effects of letting this get brushed aside. I guess I just wanted people to side with me after being annoyed by his lack of wanting to take this to the local police. I probably shouldn't wait too long before I make a decision one way or the other, but my big brother mentality just wants to be able to make this right.

Most likely I'll end up not going to the police by his request and just hoping this never happens again, but now I'll worry about it all the time with him and my other young brother.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-13 23:06:51
July 13 2010 23:01 GMT
#26
On July 14 2010 06:30 SLTorak.Hobo wrote:
I wont argue or nothing, but honestly all the cops will do in most cases is slap them on the wrist unless they have an extensive record already. Especially since there is 3-4 of them its easy to make up a story about how your brother started it ect, unless there is cameras or eye witnesses I have heard of people having these types of cases backfire on them really easily or they drop the charges because its a waste of time. Good luck though.


I'm sure you think you know everything but how bout you lay off the "cops suck" bullshit

these guys put their lives on the line every day to protect sniveling shits like you who dont appreciate ANYTHING they do. I hate the kind of people who dare say that they hate cops. officers are here to serve and protect, and you honestly think that 3 men will get away with assault and battery just because they band together? get real.

anyway, tonight I know what I'd do in your shoes. I'd think about what i'd want my brother to do for me.

go to the cops.

prayin for ya man

BTW tell your brother that he's a better man than most for even going over there in the first place. that's more than I would have done. GG
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 13 2010 23:07 GMT
#27
Can you talk more about why exactly he doesn't want to press charges? Is he embarrassed he was assaulted? Does he fear he would become a target for further trouble from the guys who jumped him? Is it out of compassion?
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
July 13 2010 23:17 GMT
#28
He won't tell me at all. At first he said something about not wanting the video to get out which seems very unlikely, but then it makes me think something else may have happened he doesn't want to be seen, but when he said that he was pretty fucked up seemed like he was buzzed or something (which I'm considering was partly due to a concussion) Then he said he just wanted to let it die and wouldn't say anything else about it. He was saying that he'd be extremely pissed off and was slightly aggressive in telling me to leave it alone. This was yesterday today he seemed mostly back to normal, but still would not give me a legit reason for not wanting to go to the police. Just said he wanted it to die.
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intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
July 13 2010 23:39 GMT
#29
i don't know how time-sensitive a report to the police is. if it's not an issue, the safest and most respectful option is to give him a day or two to mull over it, then approach him again.
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Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
July 13 2010 23:45 GMT
#30
I agree with intrigue. I think if you let it rest for a couple of days, and then ask your brother, he might be a little more clear on the issue. If he doesn't want it, then he doesn't want it, and I wouldn't recommend doing something without his permission.

I'd probably just let it go. The dumbasses who did it will probably get theirs at one point or another if it becomes a recurring problem, which according to your brother, seems to be very likely considering their violent tendencies.

But ultimately, sorry about your brother. I'd be pretty fucking pissed too if my brother got beat up for no good reason.
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SLTorak.Hobo
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada67 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-13 23:54:12
July 13 2010 23:45 GMT
#31
On July 14 2010 08:01 mOnion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2010 06:30 SLTorak.Hobo wrote:
I wont argue or nothing, but honestly all the cops will do in most cases is slap them on the wrist unless they have an extensive record already. Especially since there is 3-4 of them its easy to make up a story about how your brother started it ect, unless there is cameras or eye witnesses I have heard of people having these types of cases backfire on them really easily or they drop the charges because its a waste of time. Good luck though.


I'm sure you think you know everything but how bout you lay off the "cops suck" bullshit

these guys put their lives on the line every day to protect sniveling shits like you who dont appreciate ANYTHING they do. I hate the kind of people who dare say that they hate cops. officers are here to serve and protect, and you honestly think that 3 men will get away with assault and battery just because they band together? get real.

anyway, tonight I know what I'd do in your shoes. I'd think about what i'd want my brother to do for me.

go to the cops.

prayin for ya man

BTW tell your brother that he's a better man than most for even going over there in the first place. that's more than I would have done. GG


Oh fuck off with your attitude, cops do some good and they do a lot of bad as well, don't cry to me about how I appreciate them before you even know your shit. I have had interactions with cops and have known innocent people that made a report and attempted to charge people only to have it come down to who to believe and in most cases it goes no where. Yes sometimes charges get laid but I am not sure what you have heard, one assault charge isn't going to send you to jail, at most you will get a bit of probation and maybe some community service/restraining order( unless like I said before you have an extensive record). That is reality sorry to break it to you. Story is everything if there is footage he is fine but you obviously are pretty ignorant to how a case like that is pursued.

EDIT: And no I am not saying his charges wouldn't go through, especially if there is footage but a lot of assault cases go no where or get dropped when there is no eye witnesses
polgas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1752 Posts
July 13 2010 23:54 GMT
#32
I would get a copy of the security tape if there is one, it might get deleted. Post on youtube too if it doesn't incriminate your bro.
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mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-14 00:09:40
July 14 2010 00:09 GMT
#33
On July 14 2010 08:45 SLTorak.Hobo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2010 08:01 mOnion wrote:
On July 14 2010 06:30 SLTorak.Hobo wrote:
I wont argue or nothing, but honestly all the cops will do in most cases is slap them on the wrist unless they have an extensive record already. Especially since there is 3-4 of them its easy to make up a story about how your brother started it ect, unless there is cameras or eye witnesses I have heard of people having these types of cases backfire on them really easily or they drop the charges because its a waste of time. Good luck though.


I'm sure you think you know everything but how bout you lay off the "cops suck" bullshit

these guys put their lives on the line every day to protect sniveling shits like you who dont appreciate ANYTHING they do. I hate the kind of people who dare say that they hate cops. officers are here to serve and protect, and you honestly think that 3 men will get away with assault and battery just because they band together? get real.

anyway, tonight I know what I'd do in your shoes. I'd think about what i'd want my brother to do for me.

go to the cops.

prayin for ya man

BTW tell your brother that he's a better man than most for even going over there in the first place. that's more than I would have done. GG


Oh fuck off with your attitude, cops do some good and they do a lot of bad as well, don't cry to me about how I appreciate them before you even know your shit. I have had interactions with cops and have known innocent people that made a report and attempted to charge people only to have it come down to who to believe and in most cases it goes no where. Yes sometimes charges get laid but I am not sure what you have heard, one assault charge isn't going to send you to jail, at most you will get a bit of probation and maybe some community service/restraining order( unless like I said before you have an extensive record). That is reality sorry to break it to you. Story is everything if there is footage he is fine but you obviously are pretty ignorant to how a case like that is pursued.

EDIT: And no I am not saying his charges wouldn't go through, especially if there is footage but a lot of assault cases go no where or get dropped when there is no eye witnesses


take your twisted view of reality and get out of here. just because you think you have it all figured out doesn't make you any better than the rest of us, it just makes you depressing.

as if i'm the one with the attitude here. learn how to be a real human and don't give pessimistic pieces of advice to people dealing with serious issues.

you don't even know that assault isn't physical. how smart do you think you are?
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radar14
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1437 Posts
July 14 2010 00:13 GMT
#34
you should take your bro a doctor if he lost consciousness from head trauma.
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SLTorak.Hobo
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada67 Posts
July 14 2010 00:18 GMT
#35
Who the hell said I was better then anyone? Or that I know everything concerning cops, I simply gave a view different then his own. Really if you don't like people having different views then you the internet isn't the right place for you, you just come off as a pretentious ass. Be a real human? His brother doesn't want him to press assault charges and I give a reason why that might be and I am being an asshole? Really grow the fuck up. Oh for future reference there is various kinds of assault.

An assault is the intentional application of force, directly or indirectly, to another person without that person's consent.
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
July 14 2010 00:31 GMT
#36
On July 14 2010 09:13 radar14 wrote:
you should take your bro a doctor if he lost consciousness from head trauma.

He doesn't want to go because he doesn't have insurance, but he seems almost completely back to normal minus the nasty road rash on his face.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16981 Posts
July 14 2010 00:36 GMT
#37
On July 14 2010 09:31 tonight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2010 09:13 radar14 wrote:
you should take your bro a doctor if he lost consciousness from head trauma.

He doesn't want to go because he doesn't have insurance, but he seems almost completely back to normal minus the nasty road rash on his face.


Is he covered under your parents' policy?
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tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
July 14 2010 00:42 GMT
#38
He's too old.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-14 01:06:26
July 14 2010 01:04 GMT
#39
nvm I'm tired of this
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mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-14 01:11:42
July 14 2010 01:04 GMT
#40
Make sure the surveillance video backs up your story and go to the cops with it & photos of your brother's injuries (a doctor's evaluation of the injuries if you went to one, the police may be able to arrange one for evidence). Give them the names & addresses of the people involved (or where they hang out if you don't know their names), descriptions of their appearances if the videos don't have enough detail.

That's aggravated assault and an easy felony with video evidence, visible/documented injuries, and witnesses -- enough to put them behind bars.

Remember your bro is probably too scared to do any of this himself and probably just wants to forget the whole thing. But if his only crime was standing up for someone he thought was being abused then he doesn't deserve to live in a community with punks like these.

Your brother was courageous enough to get the shit kicked out of him. Reward him with justice, or at least sue for damages.

>> To the above cynicism about police integrity: Integrity improves when you offer them hard evidence and a clear case of right & wrong. Showing them photos of your brother's injuries could help bring them around also.
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